08:00:15 <ifat_afek> #startmeeting vitrage
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08:00:22 <ifat_afek> Hi :-)
08:01:05 <idan_hefetz> Good morning
08:01:44 <e0ne> hi
08:01:58 <nooryameen> good morning :)
08:02:23 <ifat_afek> #topic Status and updates
08:02:28 <ifat_afek> We are past Stein feature freeze. python-vitrageclient is already frozen.
08:02:44 <ifat_afek> We should finish our work and prepare for the release candidate next Thursday (March 21). In a few days I will ask to create the stable/stein branches.
08:02:51 <ifat_afek> Other than that, I have no special updates
08:03:40 <ifat_afek> Anyone else wants to update?
08:03:57 <nooryameen> for me nothing new for vitrage :)
08:04:11 <idan_hefetz> Nothing for me as well :)
08:04:44 <nooryameen> ifat_afek have you checked the template issue we talked about ?
08:05:04 <ifat_afek> Sure, I submitted a fix, it’s on the gate now
08:05:25 <nooryameen> great :)
08:05:26 <ifat_afek> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/642780/
08:06:17 <ifat_afek> Once merged, we will be able to test end to end with your UI changes
08:07:05 <ifat_afek> Anything else that is missing for Stein release?
08:07:42 <idan_hefetz> Before releasing, we should run our manual tests..
08:08:31 <ifat_afek> idan_hefetz: of course
08:08:37 <e0ne> idan_hefetz: do we have a list of these tests somewhere?
08:08:44 <ifat_afek> actually, maybe we should start them this week…
08:09:10 <ifat_afek> e0ne: I have a list, it’s not published in gerrit… do you think that it should be?
08:09:48 <e0ne> ifat_afek: It's supposed to be open for sure
08:10:59 <ifat_afek> e0ne: do you have an example of what other teams do? I have no problem publishing it, I just wonder where
08:11:20 <e0ne> ifat_afek: I don't have anything in the mind
08:11:41 <e0ne> ifat_afek: usually, all teams use tempest or some automatic functional tests
08:12:17 <ifat_afek> we have the tempests as you know, but we also like to do manual tests before the release
08:12:58 <e0ne> IMO, we should implement tempest tests instead
08:13:31 <ifat_afek> I think most, if not all, is already covered in tempest tests. and yet…
08:13:44 <e0ne> ifat_afek: some manual closed tests makes project not 100% openL(
08:13:44 <ifat_afek> the ui must be tested manually
08:13:53 <idan_hefetz> There's nothing like seeing that everything actually works :)
08:14:15 <ifat_afek> So maybe I can add a .rst in vitrage with the test plan
08:14:30 <ifat_afek> although I’ve never seen other teams doing it
08:14:54 <e0ne> because nobody can be sure that manual tests will be executed
08:15:25 <e0ne> it could work in your case, because all team was from one company
08:15:40 <ifat_afek> writing it in .rst doesn’t promise that it will be executed, of course. this is why I keep my own list for things that I plan to do myself ;-)
08:16:24 <ifat_afek> the solution is tempest tests, of course, but I really believe that manual tests should be executed before the release. mainly because of ui issues, I think
08:16:37 <e0ne> ifat_afek: IMO, in such case, we should not mention such tests in IRC
08:16:38 <ifat_afek> which the integration tests might solve in the future, but not now
08:17:04 <e0ne> upstream project could not be partially open
08:17:30 <e0ne> ifat_afek: I do understand that vendors could have additional tests in their distro
08:17:52 <ifat_afek> this is not the purpose, my tests are for regular devstacks
08:18:01 <e0ne> ifat_afek: but such tests must  not affect upstream at all
08:18:10 <idan_hefetz> e0ne: I think you miss understood, it's just double checking, and checking for log errors, or whatever :)
08:18:41 <e0ne> idan_hefetz: no, you missed my point
08:19:31 <e0ne> idan_hefetz: you've got some test cases for vitrage and you're discussing it in upstream IRC meeting
08:20:08 <e0ne> idan_hefetz: I have no idea what is it because these tests are closed and available only for one vendor
08:20:57 <e0ne> if the team would like to execute some manual test - we should keep the test cases and/or tests scenarios open
08:21:05 <ifat_afek> e0ne: these tests are quite trivial, it’s just a long list of “do not forget to test this and that”. I’ll publish it after the meeting
08:21:09 <e0ne> or it will be some vendor-specific tests
08:21:44 <idan_hefetz> I got what you mean, but you are wrong these are plain devstack tests... testing the exact same features as tested on the tempest..
08:22:16 <e0ne> I see 2 options here
08:22:28 <e0ne> 1) do not mention these tests on meetngs
08:22:38 <e0ne> 2) keep them open
08:22:53 <e0ne> personally, I agree with any of them
08:23:02 <ifat_afek> We’ll go for 2 then
08:23:11 <idan_hefetz> e0ne: NP, i agree off course
08:23:31 <e0ne> but in such case, any contributor outside of Nokia feels like he/she missed something important
08:23:46 <ifat_afek> in what case?
08:24:22 <e0ne> ifat_afek: in case of talking about some manual tests cases which are available only inside some team
08:25:15 <ifat_afek> ok, we’ll solve it. the tests will be upstream from now on
08:25:29 <e0ne> ifat_afek: thanks
08:26:08 <ifat_afek> ok, moving on
08:26:15 <ifat_afek> #topic Denver Summit
08:26:24 <ifat_afek> We got two more sessions – Vitrage project update and Vitrage project onboarding
08:26:31 <ifat_afek> The project update conflicts with our lab, so I asked to reschedule it
08:26:37 <ifat_afek> I also asked to remove Yuval from the list of speakers, as he will not attend the summit.
08:26:43 <ifat_afek> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/global-search?t=vitrage
08:26:56 <ifat_afek> And a reminder: you can add topics to the PTG etherpad.:
08:27:01 <ifat_afek> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-train-ptg
08:27:05 <ifat_afek> that’s it for me
08:28:44 <ifat_afek> anything else?
08:31:39 <ifat_afek> have a nice day :-)
08:32:10 <e0ne> see you next week!
08:32:30 <idan_hefetz> cheers
08:32:32 <ifat_afek> #endmeeting