17:11:07 <david-lyle> #startmeeting UX
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17:11:12 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ux'
17:11:26 <david-lyle> Seems like there's enough people
17:12:31 <david-lyle> I don't see an agenda, so...
17:12:38 <david-lyle> #topic Open Discussion
17:12:40 <Piet> So, it looks as though Jaromir isn't able to attend.  Are there any complaints if I go ahead and drive the meeting?  Or would someone else like to?
17:12:42 <tsufiev> enough people, but they are quite short-spoken )
17:12:51 <david-lyle> haha
17:12:56 <david-lyle> go for it Piet
17:13:01 <david-lyle> I just started the meeting
17:13:06 <david-lyle> so the log is running
17:13:12 <david-lyle> #chair Piet
17:13:13 <openstack> Current chairs: Piet david-lyle
17:13:25 <david-lyle> Piet you are now a chair as well
17:13:32 <david-lyle> you can set topics etc
17:13:55 <Piet> So, we are working on a Visual Design Specification to help UI devs, designers, etc adhere to Horizon pattersn.  The URL is https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKy_oXZQSg8Feo0p6Es7giR6a-w_CK8H03D2R2yAUjs/edit#slide=id.g3637a7faf_084
17:14:21 <Piet> Please review and provide feedback.
17:14:42 <tsufiev> Piet, that's exactly what I've been searching for couple of hours ago at #openstack-ux :)!
17:15:07 <Piet> Excellent!
17:15:51 <Piet> We also have an assets library with png images of common Horizon controls and patterns.  Let me know if you would like a copy.
17:16:39 <Piet> I will be posting a link to the Visual Design Spec and Assets Library to the UX wiki by tis afternoon
17:16:41 <tsufiev> Piet, aren't they contained in Horizon repo? Or you mean specific assets for designers creating some mock-ups?
17:17:01 <Piet> Specifically, for designers creating mocks
17:17:09 <hinnant_> We should add that as a linked folder in google docs, link it from the pattern document
17:17:25 <Piet> For example, we have one that can be used with Balsamiq
17:18:34 <Piet> Sounds good - I can take care of that
17:19:47 <Piet> Also, Invision has agreed to allow the community to post mocks to their tool for review.  Pls reach-out to me if you would like an account.
17:20:32 <Piet> We already have some cool stuff for the Details Page, Launch Instance, etc that could use reviews from the community
17:20:36 <tsufiev> Piet, david-lyle: speaking of openstack.invisionapp.com (btw, thanks, I've received an invite) is it now an official way of sharing mock-ups?
17:21:07 <Piet> Newp - its the "unofficial" way to share mocks
17:21:33 <david-lyle> I wouldn't say it's official. But it may be an effective way, since we are missing an official way
17:21:50 <tsufiev> I've been thinking about sharing mock-ups for Merlin UI for Mistral (as soon as mock-ups are ready) on it...
17:22:07 <Piet> Exactly- I'm looking to build momentum - we really need a good platform for reviews
17:22:26 <david-lyle> The search for a common open tool has not produced a clear answer
17:23:18 <tsufiev> guess, it would be better to start with something finally :)
17:23:39 <Piet> Agreed - felt like we were floundering a bit
17:25:33 <tsufiev> david-lyle, is there some time at summit scheduled for live discussion of mock-ups?
17:25:47 <tsufiev> I mean, at the Horizon section...
17:25:51 <jacalcat> I agree, this seems like a good approach. We will look into sharing things this way as well.
17:26:20 <david-lyle> http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon
17:26:21 <Piet> Feel free to reach-out if you would like to join Invision
17:26:28 <david-lyle> there is a UX session
17:26:41 <david-lyle> Ju should be coordinating with others
17:26:50 <david-lyle> julim: that is
17:27:05 <julim> ack david-lyle
17:27:11 <tsufiev> okay
17:27:12 <julim> will reach out to folks
17:27:24 <david-lyle> if there is not enough time in the UX/Horizon session, we can share them in the open Horizon session of Friday
17:27:36 <hinnant_> great, I think it'll be great to have a good conversation about the current design mocks and direction
17:29:58 <Piet> Jeff, can you talk about the personas?
17:30:38 <david-lyle> just a thought, but someone else acting as co-chair for this meeting on the wiki while lblanchard is out would help
17:31:12 <Piet> I don't mind if everyone else agress
17:31:58 <david-lyle> works for me
17:32:18 <jacalcat> About Personas
17:32:21 <Piet> k _ I'll reach out to you later about is required
17:32:23 <david-lyle> +1
17:32:43 <david-lyle> go jacalcat
17:32:53 <jacalcat> We have a framework on the wiki
17:33:26 <jacalcat> The key ideas are that they are organized around types of ecosystems, which are either applications or types of companies working together
17:34:06 <jacalcat> We have a lot of placeholders for personas we think exist, that need some content
17:34:10 <julim> david-lyle… sdoyle will be co-chair for this mtg too
17:34:24 <Piet> Should we move them off the wiki and back to google docs?
17:34:41 <jacalcat> Google docs for personas?
17:34:53 <julim> I've got to step out for a bit and will be back in a couple hours (doctor's appointment...apologies)
17:35:24 <jacalcat> I think they are OK there. I think what I hacked together in the wiki is workable. It mainly needs contributions.
17:35:41 <Piet> Yeah - the thing about the wiki is that you have such little control over the design and layout of the Persona documents
17:36:48 <jacalcat> True, Google docs forces everything into an awkward linear format
17:37:24 <Piet> Jeff, what kind of feedback are you looking for?
17:37:25 <jacalcat> I think it makes sense to come up with the content first, then we can turn it into a website.
17:38:56 <jacalcat> 1. Do the ecosystems and personas we have ring true with your org?
17:38:56 <jacalcat> 2. Fill in the placeholders with whatever info you have (and make sure that you reflect that in the status and data sources fields
17:39:18 <jacalcat> That would be the two main things
17:39:33 <Piet> One point of feedback is that we don't have enough information for the specific personas.  I remember that we had a lot of really good dimensions that were created during the Austin meeting
17:40:58 <Piet> For example, orgnizational change culture, need for customization in Horizon, size fo cloud, etc.
17:42:12 <jacalcat> Right. Those are mainly reflections of the company or the ecosystem, and I was hoping we could reflect those in the companies.
17:43:28 <Piet> Are we going completely away from using individuals and just using companies?
17:43:41 <jacalcat> I think that is OK. We can put whatever we know and reflect that in the state.
17:44:04 <Piet> k
17:44:11 <jacalcat> I think its both.
17:44:26 <Piet> Should we have an offsite to work on them?
17:44:52 <jacalcat> I think that would be good, but probably not until 2015 at this point.
17:45:36 <jacalcat> This is the wiki page I started: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Personas
17:45:43 <Piet> k
17:46:16 <Piet> Would anyone else on the team be interested in attending a persona offsite?
17:46:17 <jacalcat> CNBB securities is the best reflection of one fleshed out: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CNBB_Securities_Comany_Overview
17:47:00 <jacalcat> TBD Medium-Sized IT service provider providing Cloud Services is a good reflection of the number of personas that might be involved: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TBD_Medium-Sized_IT_service_provider_providing_Cloud_Services
17:47:08 <hinnant_> jacalcat: will the personas in CNBB potentially the same persona in another company?
17:48:03 <Piet> Everyone, please review Jeff's work and provide feedback.
17:49:01 <jacalcat> That's one of the questions that comes up with this approach. They might be very similar and we might share content between them, but I would keep them separate.
17:49:26 <Piet> I would hope there would be some consistency in the personas.  It would be interesting to show how the same role might change based on the environment.
17:49:49 <jacalcat> I think the end users will likely be the same for some of them, but would change going from a test and development environment to a production environment.
17:50:34 <Piet> We could take the IBM approach and combine or separate roles based on the company
17:50:39 <hinnant_> So, they would change their needs and activitiy, but be the same persona - right?
17:51:33 <Piet> #hinnant - yes
17:52:00 <Piet> It might be easier to think of them as roles rather than personas
17:52:47 <Piet> Eight minutes left...anything else that needs to be discussed?
17:52:48 <jacalcat> I would say, give them different names, but they might be essentially the same persona.
17:53:00 <jacalcat> Because they might diverge based on validation.
17:53:54 <jacalcat> Another question on a different topic. Is there a way to join in the design discussions at the summit remotely?
17:54:30 <Piet> How are we going to validate?
17:54:58 <Piet> David, is it possible to attend remotely?
17:57:17 <Piet> Any other topics?
17:58:21 <david-lyle> remote presents some difficulty, if someone wants to open a google chat or hangout that can work
17:58:34 <david-lyle> if it gets to large, can be problematic
17:58:49 <david-lyle> *too
17:58:55 <jacalcat> I can't go but would appreciate if someone could do that.
17:59:47 <david-lyle> I don't think I'll have the bandwidth personally to set that up, but I can ask those present
18:00:02 <david-lyle> but it would be nice to have that arranged beforehand
18:00:11 <david-lyle> time's up
18:00:16 <david-lyle> #endmeeting