17:00:00 <lblanchard> #startmeeting UX
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17:00:04 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ux'
17:00:15 <lblanchard> Well, it doesn't sound like there are many folks who can attend today…
17:00:29 <lblanchard> but here is our agenda:
17:00:33 <lblanchard> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX
17:00:48 <tsufiev> hi there :)
17:00:55 <lblanchard> hi tsufiev!
17:01:02 <lblanchard> it might just be you and I today unfortunately...
17:01:31 <lblanchard> did you have anything that you'd like to talk about regarding Merlin?
17:01:34 <lblanchard> #topic Merlin project
17:01:41 <tsufiev> lblanchard, Openstack UX group is a lonely place indeed :)
17:01:55 <tsufiev> lblanchard, yes, I do
17:02:00 <lblanchard> tsufiev: yes, these last few weeks I think a lot of folks have been quite busy with other items :)
17:02:09 <lblanchard> we need more UXers!! :)
17:02:13 <tsufiev> i have some rough UI concepts for Merlin PoC at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Merlin/PoC#Draft_UI_concept_for_PoC_.28visual_editing_of_HOT_templates.29
17:02:46 <lblanchard> tsufiev: great
17:02:59 <tsufiev> remembering your (and Jacki's) words about getting as much feedback as possible (and soon enough) I've tried to prepare those mock-ups as soon as I could :)
17:03:28 <lblanchard> tsufiev: yes, that's perfect. I will definitely review these and give feedback. I will also create an action for others to do the same…
17:03:49 <lblanchard> #action Review Merlin PoC concepts #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Merlin/PoC#Draft_UI_concept_for_PoC_.28visual_editing_of_HOT_templates.29
17:03:57 <tsufiev> i'm not expecting some feedback right now, but I wanted to clarify what is the proper way to create mock-ups in Openstack UX community
17:04:27 <lblanchard> tsufiev: we really haven't standardized the way we design and share designs yet...
17:04:34 <lblanchard> we've talked a bit about picking a design review tool
17:04:56 <tsufiev> right now I'm using mockflow.com, WireframePro, but it seems I am doing thing in some cumbersome way...
17:05:00 <lblanchard> but that hasn't been finalized…it's still on the agenda and some work has been done to review these tools here…https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools
17:05:07 <Piet> I think the offer is still on teh table from InVision to provide a design review tool
17:05:43 <lblanchard> Piet: I think one of the loose requirements is that we can host it and also that it's open source
17:05:53 <tsufiev> lblanchard, great, will take a look at this etherpad
17:06:10 <lblanchard> Piet: but take a look at the tools in the etherpad and give your thoughts
17:06:16 <lblanchard> tsufiev: great, thanks!
17:06:45 <lblanchard> tsufiev: and I will add thoughts and comments to the wiki page…I think that's a fine way to share design ideas for now
17:06:45 <Piet> Are there any opensource tools out there for design review?
17:07:12 <tsufiev> lblanchard, thanks a lot! I think that's all I had to say about Merlin UX
17:07:14 <lblanchard> Piet: A few have been added and reviewed on the etherpad
17:07:17 <lblanchard> Piet: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools
17:07:17 <Piet> The only one I know is ReviewBoard  https://www.reviewboard.org/
17:07:19 <tsufiev> (at least, for now)
17:07:34 <lblanchard> tsufiev: great thanks!
17:07:48 <lblanchard> #topic Wireframes review tool
17:07:54 <lblanchard> since we are there already :)
17:08:05 <lblanchard> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools
17:08:23 <lblanchard> #action Review etherpad and add any new tools and comments you have
17:08:33 <lblanchard> Piet: would you be able to add reviewboard to the list?
17:09:43 <Piet> sure
17:09:57 <lblanchard> Piet: awesome, thanks…I will take a look too and add some comments
17:10:26 <lblanchard> so I think we are still in the selection process. My hope is that we can get some better attendance in the next few meetings and choose a tool to move forward with.
17:10:39 <lblanchard> but in the mean time, please do add comments to the etherpad on these tools
17:10:49 <Piet> The UX isn't great, but it's opensource and can be hosted anywhere
17:10:52 <tsufiev> lblanchard, sure!
17:11:15 <lblanchard> #topic Ops Meetup
17:11:17 <hinnant> Hey Piet, what is the full list at the moment? Perhaps I joined too late to get that in the chat
17:11:39 <hinnant> never mind, we can sync offline
17:11:40 <lblanchard> hinnant: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools
17:12:02 <hinnant> lblanchard: thanks
17:12:09 <lblanchard> hinnant: no prob
17:12:17 <lblanchard> #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2014/07/ops-mid-cycle-meetup-august-2526/
17:12:33 <lblanchard> is anyone from UX planning to attend the ops meetup?
17:12:53 <lblanchard> I will not be able to unfortunately…I'm about 5 weeks away from having my first child :)
17:13:14 <lblanchard> so traveling is a bit difficult you might say...
17:13:59 <Piet> RedHat won't pay for first class for you?  Along with a personal physician?
17:14:06 <lblanchard> Piet: :)
17:14:18 <lblanchard> Piet: I don't want to entertain the idea!!
17:14:25 <lblanchard> Well, I will follow up with Jacki too…I know this is very close to her.
17:14:42 <lblanchard> and we can at least follow up later with the notes that have been taken if no one from UX can attend in person
17:15:02 <tsufiev> lblanchard, anyway, good luck to you :) (hope that's the correct phrasing in English)
17:15:14 <lblanchard> tsufiev: thank you! Yes it is :)
17:15:18 <Piet> So, how adamant is the group about using an opensource tool for design review?  I have heard some rumors that closed source tools are occasionally used....
17:15:48 <lblanchard> Piet: probably a discussion we'd need to having via mailing list. It doesn't sound like we will have the attendance here to decide.
17:15:55 <Piet> k
17:16:11 <jacalcat> Hi This is Jeff, just joined.
17:16:22 <lblanchard> Piet: please feel free to create a discussion and tag it with [UX]…it would be good to send to the developer mailing list as a discussion for all to chime in on
17:16:28 <lblanchard> jacalcat: welcome!
17:16:36 <Piet> Hey Jeff
17:17:09 <lblanchard> jacalcat: do you plan to attend the ops meetup in a few weeks?
17:17:16 <lblanchard> or next week :)
17:17:25 <jacalcat> Is that in San Antonio?
17:17:33 <lblanchard> jacalcat: yes
17:17:47 <lblanchard> jacalcat: http://www.openstack.org/blog/2014/07/ops-mid-cycle-meetup-august-2526/
17:18:09 <jacalcat> I hadn't planned, but would be good to have someone there.
17:18:39 <lblanchard> jacalcat: agreed…I don't know if Jacki or Jarda plan to attend, but I will follow up with them
17:19:07 <lblanchard> alright…moving on
17:19:10 <lblanchard> #topic Horizon Pattern Library
17:19:30 <Piet> Just out of curiousity, have there been any pushes to create a UX program in OpenStack?
17:19:37 <lblanchard> #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKy_oXZQSg8Feo0p6Es7giR6a-w_CK8H03D2R2yAUjs/edit#slide=id.g3637a7faf_084
17:19:50 <lblanchard> so Chris put together a very nice Pattern document
17:20:06 <lblanchard> I've added a bunch of comments, but others should do the same so that he gets feedback
17:20:20 <lblanchard> #action Review and comment on Chris' pattern document
17:20:55 <Piet> At some point, he is going to focus on adding to the docs for Horizon
17:21:17 <Piet> So, I would like to time box the amount of time for review
17:21:30 <lblanchard> Piet: I think the plan is to get our process under control and a core set of contributors to UX, then to have contributions that we can show to the larger community how UX would be a benefit as a program
17:21:46 <lblanchard> Piet: that's fair
17:21:56 <lblanchard> I'd say by next week he should move forward
17:22:06 <lblanchard> so I'll make the action a bit more urgent :)
17:22:15 <Piet> Thanks1
17:22:40 <lblanchard> #action DUE BY END OF THIS WEEK…Review Chris's doc so that he can move forward with putting this into docs
17:22:44 <lblanchard> Piet: no problem
17:23:33 <lblanchard> #topic New Launch Instance User Feedback Results
17:24:00 <lblanchard> I haven't seen Jacki join yet…so I think we will have to push this to our next meeting
17:24:12 <Piet> Sounds good
17:24:35 <Piet> Chris is also working on a redesign of the Launch Instance workflow
17:24:38 <lblanchard> but I know they'd like to move forward with this feedback (and I think they are currently trying to get a first round of fixes in for juno-3)
17:24:39 * david-lyle is late
17:25:09 <lblanchard> david-lyle: hi there…no worries, we are just finishing up I think, but please feel free to bring up anything you'd like to chat about
17:25:16 <lblanchard> Piet: is Chris working with Jacki?
17:25:38 <lblanchard> because it would be best to have one awesome solution rather than two proposals in my opinion :)
17:25:54 <david-lyle> reading back
17:26:34 <Piet> Not yet - very preliminary - we're trying to understand how Graffiti impacts the design
17:27:04 <lblanchard> Piet: okay…it's great he is checking out Graffiti
17:27:58 <lblanchard> I think that's all of the topics we needed to cover today…I will update the agenda for the next meeting and post it to the wiki.
17:28:03 <lblanchard> #topic Open Discussion
17:28:11 <lblanchard> anyone have anything else they'd like to talk through?
17:28:40 <Piet> Not that some of the design changes may potentially impact the overall Horizon design patterns
17:29:13 <lblanchard> Piet: Is there a question in there? Or just making the statement?
17:29:49 <Piet> Just a statement
17:31:10 <lblanchard> okay…yes I do think the changes will impact multiple patterns
17:31:24 <lblanchard> but for the good of course
17:32:22 <david-lyle> the changes have to land before they can really effect the patterns
17:32:51 <david-lyle> just a reminder of not getting ahead of ourselves
17:33:02 <lblanchard> right, I think we need to have a change in place somewhere to then show it's benefit…that way others can take it and apply it elsewhere
17:33:23 <david-lyle> I do like the changes
17:33:40 <lblanchard> david-lyle: agreed
17:34:19 <lblanchard> alright, sounds like that might be all for today…
17:34:35 <lblanchard> It looks like if we held our next meeting in 2 weeks it would fall on Labor Day for U.S. folks. So I think we will end up meeting next on September 8th (3 weeks from today). I will update the agenda here, so stay tuned: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX
17:34:35 <Piet> Thanks!
17:34:47 <lblanchard> thank you all for attending!
17:34:55 <tsufiev> thank you and bye!
17:34:57 <david-lyle> Thanks!
17:34:59 <lblanchard> #endmeeting