18:02:03 #startmeeting uc 18:02:04 Meeting started Mon Oct 30 18:02:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zioproto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:02:07 The meeting name has been set to 'uc' 18:02:24 I did it right ?] 18:02:29 sorry, thx zioproto 18:02:31 yep 18:02:49 #chair mrhillsman 18:02:50 Current chairs: mrhillsman zioproto 18:02:52 same boat as shamail, multiple things going on 18:03:00 #chair shamail VW 18:03:01 Current chairs: VW mrhillsman shamail zioproto 18:03:25 good time to practice zioproto, your meeting good sir :) 18:03:54 :) 18:04:17 meh, i need to update the wiki, will do before i land in sydney :) 18:04:40 #action mrhillsman update wiki; redirect to governance for wg/team information 18:04:54 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs 18:05:04 #topic roll call 18:05:10 o/ 18:05:31 so it is me mrhillsman shamail VW ... edgar is missing 18:05:33 right ? 18:05:45 correct 18:05:49 Yep 18:06:02 lets go on then 18:06:09 #topic Review action items from previous meeting 18:06:25 we changed the meeting time right ? 18:06:38 hey emagana ;) 18:06:44 hello! 18:06:49 Yes, I was having some connectivity issues, my apologies. 18:06:52 just emailed you hehe 18:06:58 no worries - glad you are here 18:06:58 have you started the meeting? 18:07:06 yes 18:07:21 awesome! keep going.. you are hosting it now ;-) 18:07:43 ++ 18:08:07 there was a patch about the meeting change.. was it merged? 18:08:15 Yes, it was zioproto 18:09:14 there is any wiki or website to be manually updated with the new schedule ?? 18:09:45 we did already 18:10:01 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs 18:10:17 I read just 18:00 UTC, isn't it like before ? 18:10:29 i took action to update wiki 18:10:44 ah ok ! 18:10:46 apologies as i was supposed to do so some time ago 18:10:58 no problem 18:11:07 will make sure it gets done between now and my flight over the pacific 18:11:12 should we go the agenda item number 3 ? I guess that is the most important today 18:11:35 sure 18:11:40 #topic Topics for Join meeting with Board and TC 18:12:01 I added that one 18:12:19 on Sunday before the summit, we will have the join meeting between Board, TC and UC. 18:12:38 so you, me, zioproto will be in sydney yes? 18:12:42 Alan has asked us if we have some topics for the meeting. So, I wanted to know if anyone has anything to bring to the Board? 18:12:45 I will not be there :[ 18:12:49 shamail no and VW? 18:12:56 I will be there 18:12:59 ok cool 18:13:07 probably at 11 - going to try and make mass beforehand 18:13:14 Don't forget to RSVP for the meeting and dinner. 18:13:21 I know we can sit in the earlier session if we would like 18:13:27 introduction of newly elected members 18:13:32 My flight lands at 6:30am on that Sunday... 18:13:42 I will be there 18:13:46 I booked the eventbrite for the dinner 18:13:55 I only got an invite for the dinner 18:14:00 mrhillsman: That is a good idea, we should do a intro for the new faces! 18:14:01 was there one for the meeting? 18:14:02 there another eventbrite for the day board dinner? 18:14:08 I mean day board meeting 18:14:22 I have the same question as VM 18:14:24 the board meeting is open to everybody, just the executive session in private. 18:14:34 which normally is a lunch time 18:15:00 so the stewardship thing tc went through, doug took docs team through it 18:15:12 wondering if this would be something to bring up during this session 18:15:58 we have not established any goals, so maybe that could be one, to actually go through that process relevant to being an opensource committee 18:16:16 thoughts? 18:16:53 i know we have a forum session about goals too 18:16:58 just throwing something out there 18:17:16 also we discussed getting specific help from staff 18:17:39 tom is "gone" so may be a good time to bring this up 18:17:45 I think that is more for a UC session 18:17:54 at least you mean the OpenStack goals? 18:17:59 at least introduce it and get it in folks minds for further discussion 18:18:31 i'm just trying to spark some thoughts :) 18:18:48 remembering what we previously discussed 18:18:53 those are welcome! 18:18:55 I think Tom did a great job from Openstack. Now that he is gone we sure need someone else. I think this is a good thing to bring up 18:19:10 I like that part.. zioproto 18:19:32 Is it normal that Official minutes is a broken link here for the October 10th meeting ? #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation#OpenStack_Board_of_Director_Meetings 18:19:34 we may not get a definitive answer but we could set the stage 18:19:57 I always have in mind to include one of the Foundation members in the UC like Terry in the TC 18:20:09 There will be some Foundation folks at the UC sessions so we can make sure the close the loop with Tom's departure 18:20:15 including myself :) 18:20:21 agreed emagana 18:20:37 i think it would be great for a uc member to be staff 18:21:33 we can just see where things go from sydney 18:21:37 ok - we can discuss those options in Sydney 18:21:51 We have several staff members who will be more plugged in with the UC activities now. 18:21:52 definitely a lot to consider/discuss around topic 18:22:05 awesome aprice! 18:22:26 we have discussed that previously with the Foundation and the reaction was positive but they wanted to be sure that we really need a full time dedicated person.. The TC has a lot of work for the releases but the UC less.. 18:22:45 For the most important work (the user survey) we have 100% dedication already 18:23:11 Thanks aprice! 18:23:38 I think we could agree that the Foundation will provide support and resources as needed. 18:23:45 is that correct aprice? 18:24:01 yes, we will definitely continue to support as needed. Any insight into particular projects will be useful 18:24:25 I know we have helped with Forum programming, roadmap creation and user survey among other projects, but knowing where help is needed will be incredibly useful 18:26:02 +2 18:27:03 That's how I'm understanding it too, emagana 18:27:04 I have an idea I want to share 18:27:14 I dont know if it the right place for this idea 18:27:16 In my opinion, the UC could have a bigger impact but sometimes is hard for us (UC members) to lead the projects because they require time than sometimes is hard to have from our day-to-day operations activities. 18:27:24 zioproto: go ahead! 18:27:45 I have been following Horizon issues lately. And I have been collecting feedback about Horizon rants. 18:27:56 The dev team needs more help 18:28:02 AFAIK they are just two people 18:28:11 they dont accept BP if there is not someone willing to implement it 18:28:14 the situation is quite bad 18:28:25 is this kind of stuff of interest of the board ? 18:28:45 of it is offtopic ? 18:28:52 are we supposed to bring user feedback ? 18:29:12 please tell me if I am out of context 18:29:37 IMHO you could bring to the TC 18:29:40 because I am new here, and I feel a bit lost about what kind of topics/feedbacks we have to bring to the board meeting 18:29:55 This is a good example! 18:30:36 We should discuss with the Board what is our strategy to retain developers and to increase in the projects that are in need of them 18:31:10 Summary: general feeling of operators/users community is that Horizon is a second class citizen in the Openstack Ecosystem. Many deployments have proprietary web interfaces. How to support the development of Horizon so that it will not be the demo-web-interface but it becomes a production solid web interface ? 18:31:59 zioproto: Assign me the action item to bring this topic to the agenda of the meeting with Tc and board 18:32:06 i think it is a good place to bring up in the meeting 18:32:07 aprice: now that it comes to my mind. It would be nice to collect data (if we dont do already) about deployments that use a proprietary web interface instead of Horizon 18:32:14 well, that touches on a larger subject that the UC should probably be involved in - what really is the core set of projects and what should be more of the ecosystem 18:32:24 aprice: in the next survey I mean 18:33:01 #action emagana bring the Horizon support topic to the agenda of the meeting with the TC and board 18:33:08 +1 18:33:09 thanks zioproto 18:33:19 VW ++ which there are probably a number of larger subjects, which we could sit, discuss, and map out over cycles, i.e. goals 18:33:32 aprice: thanks to you ! 18:33:58 probably so, mrhillsman 18:34:04 so that we have problem statement, possible solutions/steps, calls to action 18:34:25 which are good to bring up in these meetings 18:35:26 vs open-ended items because it leaves the door open for them to be shot down more easily 18:35:48 not saying that is the aim but just the possibility 18:38:16 in truth, I don't have much of an idea on topics to add because I'd like to get a feel for the larger discussions the Board, TC and UC are involved in so I can form an opinion 18:38:51 understandable 18:39:00 VW: You can find the logs of the previous meetings here: 18:39:15 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation#OpenStack_Board_of_Director_Meetings 18:39:43 yeah emagana - lots of reading to do on the plane :) 18:40:03 emagana: I tried to go through the logs ... you must be a superhero to get a feel for the larger discussions that are going on from there ! 18:41:01 emagana: most of the links are empty documents 18:41:11 try to get something out of the 10th october meeting 18:41:14 I could not :( 18:41:30 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Oct2017BoardMeeting 18:41:40 this links then to a empty etherpad 18:42:49 the only thing that is really documented is managing the new projects because there is a slide deck 18:43:11 VW: on the place you must have Internet connection to go through this material 18:43:35 sorry, this wanted to be a feedback not a rant 18:43:36 * VW is optimistic there will be wifi 18:43:53 zioproto: I will bring that feedback to Alan and the Board 18:44:31 zioproto that one was a phone call but yeah, empty etherpad should probably be removed :) 18:46:51 last 15 minutes 18:46:57 do we have more items ? 18:47:05 do we have logistic stuff to discuss for Sydney ? 18:47:20 this is lauren...i wanted to comment on two things quickly that somewhat relate to sydney 18:47:22 sorry to join late 18:47:39 lsell: go ahead 18:47:54 allison said that y'all were going to discuss the ops meetup potential event co-location in the meeting tomorrow, but i was wondering if we could hold off and discuss next steps in the sydney forum session 18:48:07 i can't attend tomorrow, but i'm planning to be there in sydney and would really like to be part of the discussion 18:48:07 we can lsell 18:48:14 I'm the moderator for said sessin 18:48:29 and I can relay the same in IRC tomorrow 18:49:01 i'm also planning to attend the UC goals session, and would like to talk about how we can work closer together next year 18:49:14 maybe add items to the session 18:49:15 https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3DUser%2BCommittee%23eventid%3D20496 18:49:23 sorry 18:49:27 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-uc-planning-activities-for-next-cycle 18:49:30 definitely in regards to tom's departure, i'd like to fully document what he's been doing that's helpful for you, and what else we want to tackle next year 18:49:52 +1 18:49:59 +2 thanks a lot lsell 18:50:10 ++ 18:50:17 +1 18:50:21 anyway, both meetings are on my calendar, i've been working on my schedule today as i'm sure all of you have :) 18:50:38 yep, did mine today :) 18:50:52 i jdidn't want the ops mid cycle discussion to go too far tomorrow before we could all get together 18:51:21 trying to get several SYD schedule things sorted myself 18:52:18 I'll do my best to keep them reigned in tomorrow lsell 18:52:41 haha thanks 18:53:21 but we'll definitely make that a big part of the conversation in the Ops Meetup planning session there 18:53:21 VW: Just make sure Chris Morgan is aware of this. 18:53:37 yep - will chat about it with him tomorrow 18:53:37 I will fire the last topic then... we have just 6 minutes to go 18:53:51 #topic Sydney Summit - Preparation 18:54:35 Just to recap important dates and times 18:55:26 Sunday is the board meeting, starting in the morning, right ? at 9:00 18:55:26 nothing more from me 18:55:44 correct zioproto 18:55:47 and we are busy with that the all day.. we have the board dinner then 18:55:53 Yes, board meeting starts at 9 and the joint meeting starts at 11 on sunday 18:56:07 there will be some board business in the morning, like a new member presentation, but everyone is welcome 18:56:21 are we supposed to be there at 9 or at 11 ? 18:56:37 the wednesday we have this session about UC Wednesday, November 8, 11:50am-12:30pm 18:56:51 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle 18:56:54 it is up to you, you can join at 9am 18:56:58 you're supposed to be there by 11, but you are welcome to attend at 9 if you'd like to hear the board meeting 18:56:58 yes 18:57:02 User Committee - Planning activities for next cycle 18:57:17 sorry for pasting over your conversation... is because we are short with time 18:57:32 ok, so we have 1 thing Sunday and 1 thing Wednesday 18:57:47 there should be at least the operators forum session that is related to UC ? 18:57:55 when is that 18:57:56 ? 18:58:34 https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc 18:58:55 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc 18:58:57 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20481/ops-meetup-team-catch-up 18:59:06 probably two other important sessions 18:59:13 thanks ! 18:59:15 or at least ones to consider 18:59:24 having at least one uc person in 18:59:28 Thanks! 18:59:30 ciao ciao 18:59:35 ciao 18:59:39 I need to join another call.. 19:00:07 see you guys in Sydney ! 19:00:11 ++ 19:00:13 See you there! 19:00:16 yeah - I am in another meeting too 19:00:25 #endmeeting