05:01:02 #startmeeting uc 05:01:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 19 05:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:01:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 05:01:06 The meeting name has been set to 'uc' 05:01:24 o/ 05:01:43 o/ 05:02:20 hello! 05:02:32 not sure if we have a big crowd, but if you could, please drop your name in here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cross_wc_meetings 05:03:49 VW: i have another meeting in 30 mins... so will drop half-way 05:03:56 no worries, leong 05:04:07 looks like we areonly 4 right now 05:04:21 :-( 05:05:35 hi 05:05:39 hi zulijun 05:05:44 hi leo 05:05:49 I am on meeting 05:05:54 hello zulijun 05:06:03 hello VM 05:06:19 zulijun: good to have you around! 05:06:23 I first attend across UC meeting 05:06:37 hi emagana 05:07:05 VW: emagana: I think we can go ahead with what we have today... 05:07:11 yep 05:07:14 correct! 05:07:23 #topic SYD forum 05:07:47 yeah, I will report on the work of the financial working group 05:08:04 in the UC meeting on Monday, the following was brought up for WG chairs to review 05:08:07 #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org 05:08:42 emagana any sessions you think WG chairs should pay close attention to 05:09:03 two of them 05:09:07 WG chairs, any sessions that you are running that you want some more of us in? 05:09:10 the UC one and the WGs one 05:09:14 let me find the links 05:10:01 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc 05:10:19 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle 05:10:51 https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20413 05:11:12 the url is financial working group session 05:11:28 These are all the WGs sessions: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Working%20Groups 05:11:57 #link Product Team working session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-team-working-session 05:12:37 i will try my best to attend those sessions.. 05:13:14 +1 same here! 05:13:26 cool - there are probably some more coming too. I know I put a request on the spreadsheet for LDT and I see that jamemcc_ has his on there as well 05:13:35 is the schedule of Forum sessions published? 05:13:55 I won't be going to Sydney but I will bring this up to the others in LCOO that are going to have a LCOO representative, especially at the Workgin Groups Update 05:14:09 awesome 05:14:15 thanks jamemcc_ and sorry we won't see you there 05:14:39 I did follow up with the speakersupport@openstack.org and they are offering me slots - we just didnt' finalize yet 05:14:41 Yes leong 05:15:23 emagana: just saw it.. thanks! 05:16:50 cool - anything else SYD related? 05:17:54 nothing here! 05:18:05 cool - moving along 05:18:34 #topic communication methods 05:18:40 so.... 05:19:27 as evidenced by the small number of WG chairs, the UC folks were wondering if the UC mailing list wasn't the best way to reach out to everyone 05:19:41 any thoughts from those of you here? 05:20:48 I try to keep up with the UC mailing list, so I am in favor of it 05:20:56 for things that needs attention to WG chairs, maybe we should send the email to UC mailing list AND WG chair's email 05:21:12 i did monitor UC mailing list but some time might missed ..:-) 05:22:22 for my perspective, message sending to my "direct" email will appear top in my mailbox :) 05:22:34 I suggest to email them directly and find out if they are still available to chair the WG 05:22:36 yeah - not sure if we have a comprehensive list of the emails some where 05:22:42 emagana has an old version 05:22:46 emagana: +1 05:22:52 we should go one by one 05:23:15 yeah - sounds reasonable 05:24:26 once we do, we should add the relevant ones here 05:24:29 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee 05:25:48 ok - I don't mind driving the effort to touch base with the chairs, but I might need a little historical context emagana 05:26:06 I can help you, we can send the emails together 05:26:51 #action VW to send emails to current list of WG chairs to verify availability 05:27:03 +2 05:27:04 #action emagana to help with WG chair verification 05:27:52 cool - well, I know leong has to run in a couple of minutes 05:28:07 #topic WG status updates 05:28:12 VW: thanks! 05:28:26 i will provide quick update on Product Team and Enterprise WG 05:28:50 for Product Team, we had a virtual midcycle on Sep 18 and Sep 19 05:29:24 as part of the meeting, we decided to spin out a Roadmap Team out from Product Team 05:29:50 shamail and anne (Foundation) are working on to establish the new Roadmap Team 05:30:20 for Product Team, the team will focus on collaborating with every WG/Team and provide "product management" support 05:30:59 the team will discuss with SIG group (at SYD forum) on how to utilize Product Team "Development Proposal" workflow 05:31:24 and using a common repository to maintain "features/requirements" from each SIG 05:31:36 more will be discussed at Sydney Forum SIG sessions 05:31:54 for Enterprise WG, the team has been working since 3 years ago and achieved many deliverables 05:32:27 we decided to "wrapped up" the EWG and transition the refernce archiecture works to a SIG 05:32:46 any question? 05:33:12 no, that's great. So the EWG is no longer going to meet 05:33:25 at least not under the WG/UC Governance model 05:33:29 sounds good! EWG has been a very successful one. I wish you a good transition to SUG 05:33:36 SIG* 05:34:04 VW: yup.. there is no more EWG meeting 05:34:15 my only concern is to know what kind of umbrella will SIG have if they don't belong to either TC or UC 05:34:20 emagana, leong - mind if I update this 05:34:21 emagana: agreed 05:34:22 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee 05:34:37 emagana: that's something need to figure out... 05:35:22 VW: please do so 05:35:25 leong: sounds good! 05:35:41 #action VW clean up the Governance page to remove EWG 05:35:54 leong, I know you have to run. Thanks for sharing 05:36:15 i will stay on the line.. just need to attending another voice meeting 05:36:40 zulijun: you want to give a quick update on the Finance team 05:36:52 and then jamemcc_ you can go with LCOO and FEMDC 05:37:07 k 05:37:24 VM: OK 05:38:30 First, we have own wiki 05:38:32 wiki setup http://wiki.openstack.org/financial_team 05:39:01 excellent 05:39:41 Second, China's major financial institutions have participated in us 05:40:28 awesome news! 05:41:02 indeed 05:41:02 such as Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.1 bank ;Agricultural Bank of China Limited,World’s NO.3 bank 05:42:25 anything you need from the UC zulijun 05:42:41 for me the wiki link above ddin't work but this one does: 05:42:44 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Financial_Team 05:42:51 Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.4 bank ,Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.4 bank;Bank of Communications Co Ltd, China;Industrial Bank Co Ltd;bank of shanghai 05:44:35 SUSE/Intel/China Mobile/99cloud/FUDAN UNIVERSITY also participated in us 05:44:53 very cool 05:45:12 Thirdly, We've already started some work 05:46:35 awesome 05:46:45 anything else zulijun 05:46:58 1. UnionPay's white paper are subbmited to foundation;2. We are working on the financial network technology architecture, and there will be a technical document 05:47:35 3. bank of shanghai are working on gaps when using OpenStack to build financial clouds 05:47:42 That's all 05:47:47 great update zulijun 05:47:51 keep up the good work 05:48:10 jamemcc_: you are up, my friend 05:48:46 VM:thanks 05:48:55 FOr LCOO, (Large Contributing OpenStack Operators) we have 2 efforts that are 05:48:55 joint contributing items across our membership 05:49:59 We are interested to bring more members to them: Containerized Control Plane Support and ERIS (Destructive Testing). 05:50:10 THe ERIS Forum session is here: 05:50:16 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20470/extremedestructive-testing 05:51:02 THe Containerized Control Plane Support Forum is here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20472/cloud-native-designrefactoring-across-openstack-part-ii 05:51:33 We had some hope that we would have generated more common work in our first year and 05:51:34 so in late AUgust, we had a 1 year review with executive stakeholders from our 05:51:34 c ompanies. 05:52:00 We resolved that our approach this 2nd year should be to do more information 05:52:00 sharing, basically to let the SME's (subject matter experts) get togther to 05:52:00 propose and debate things that should be getting common attention. 05:52:26 To that end 05:52:26 we've started a new pattern of LCOO sessions that we call Topical sessions. 05:52:33 This is described here 05:52:41 #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/18284545/LCOO+Working+Group+-+Year+2+Approach 05:52:56 We are gathering proposed topics for the future sessions here: 05:53:58 #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/18153555/LCOO+Topical+Session+Proposals 05:54:32 impressive amount of work! 05:54:42 awesome - thanks for the info. anything else on LCOO or would you like to talk about FEMDC 05:54:58 So for year 2 and starting hopefully in the first session after Sydney we would be cvering some of those and welcome anyone to listen in and participate 05:55:10 also - time check (5 minutes left) 05:55:11 Yeah now FEMDC 05:55:40 Fog Edge Massively Distributed Computing group, 05:55:40 though I am not a chair there just interested and wanting tomerge with any LCOO items. 05:55:53 This group has those interested to investigate how OpenStack 05:55:53 can fullfil the Edge Computing, Fog Computing and Massively Distributed Use 05:55:53 cases. 05:56:04 It's initial emphasis up until the Spring of this year 05:56:04 was more in invstigating where the limits of OpenStack are when implented on a 05:56:04 massively distributed scale. 05:56:16 Basically investigaating which components do not scale well. 05:56:28 Since early this year at the request of the Foundation and of our own interest the team has 05:56:28 also taken on the task to try to document the Fog and Edge Use cases as separate from the 05:56:28 massively distributed. 05:56:40 that draft is: 05:56:46 #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit?usp=sharing 05:57:20 I think there is a Forum session on this but will have to look a little more 05:58:09 THe WG iteself has a session 05:58:14 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19510/fogedgemassively-distributed-clouds-working-group?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3DFog%23eventid%3D19510 05:58:32 +1 05:58:42 -over- 05:58:51 excellent 05:58:53 thanks jamemcc_ 05:59:33 really quickly LDT has done some great work over the last couple of years and had some great conversation with Neutron in Boston 05:59:42 but the meetings have ben sparse since then 05:59:59 I'm also stretched between UC, leading it and working with the Ops meetup planning 06:00:10 so I'm working on a session in SYD to either 06:00:13 A. Find a new chair 06:00:18 B. Finda co-chair 06:00:44 C. See if we are better off spinning it down and focusing on other WG and SIGs that overlap 06:01:27 and with that, I think we are at time 06:01:57 next month is probably hard to do this with the summit, but maybe we can try and get the WG chairs together again in Dec? 06:02:08 after emagana and I clean up the email ist, etc 06:02:15 s/ist/list 06:02:33 VW: sounds good! 06:02:34 Good 06:02:46 awesome 06:02:50 thank you all for joining 06:02:50 VW: Thanks a lot for chairing the meeting today 06:03:01 my pleasure 06:03:05 see you all again soon! 06:03:16 #endmeeting