14:00:33 <dkrol> #startmeeting trove
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14:00:47 <dkrol> Hello All Trove developers :)
14:01:01 <pgodek> Hi Dariusz
14:02:17 <cezary_zukowski> hi guys
14:04:09 <dkrol> we should wait a few more minutes for the rest
14:04:18 <fanzhang> hi
14:04:29 <dkrol> fanzhang: hello
14:05:51 <bzurkowski> Hello, hello
14:05:58 <fanzhang> Did you get me email reply
14:06:27 <fanzhang> Hey bzurkowski
14:06:28 <dkrol> fanzhang: no, I did not receive anything
14:07:41 <fanzhang> Reply to your weekly meeting invitation at 2nd Oct.
14:07:57 <dkrol> this one I received :)
14:08:12 <fanzhang> Oh good.
14:08:34 <dkrol> unfortunately no one else responded
14:08:56 <rdopiera> o/
14:09:09 <rdopiera> sorry, wrong meeting :)
14:09:17 <dkrol> rdopiera: no problem :)
14:11:04 <dkrol> I think we can start
14:11:09 <dkrol> #topic Recent changes and reviews
14:11:33 <dkrol> did you have time to work on any new reviews or changes ?
14:13:24 <bzurkowski> This week I added two minor changes
14:13:35 <bzurkowski> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608640/
14:13:36 <bzurkowski> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608653/
14:13:45 <cezary_zukowski> in fact, I started (today) working on documentation (/trove/doc/source/admin/building_guest_images.rst) and editing, rephrasing, making language more academic and augmenting with examples - from perspective of a newcomer, will commit asap
14:14:34 <fanzhang> Cool, I can help review that, but TBH, I am not familiar with devstack plugin
14:14:51 <bzurkowski> cezary_zukowski: This is great, this is what we need to attract new users and developers
14:15:40 <cezary_zukowski> bzurkowski: thanks, and I really want to find time to review your changes :) btw. Zuul is an automate to test the changes?
14:16:20 <dkrol> bzurkowski: is your change only related to vitrage ?
14:16:51 <dkrol> cezary_zukowski: great, please share it once it is ready and we can review it
14:17:09 <bzurkowski> dkrol: Yes, I need it for my Vitrage PoC to fetch all instances into Entity Graph
14:17:22 <fanzhang> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608640/
14:17:26 <dkrol> but as bzurkowski said - it is very important to work on changes that can attract more users
14:17:27 <bzurkowski> However it might by useful for future integrations with other services
14:17:40 <fanzhang> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608653/
14:18:49 <dkrol> ok, great - I saw Marcin already added a few comments
14:19:12 <bzurkowski> I am trying to build Entity Graph with Trove instances and clusters, connected to VMs, storage and neutron ports; and then conduct Trove-oriented RCA
14:20:41 <dkrol> I see
14:21:29 <dkrol> I suppose we can move to our next topic
14:21:31 <cezary_zukowski> RCA - root cause analysis? What are main difficulties there?
14:21:51 <cezary_zukowski> ok
14:22:19 <dkrol> #topic Trovestack redesign
14:22:33 <bzurkowski> cezary_zukowski: We can continue discussion about RCA after the meeting ;)
14:22:54 <dkrol> I'm still working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608653/
14:22:59 <cezary_zukowski> bzurkowski: sure, time's up
14:23:00 <dkrol> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608653/
14:23:34 <dkrol> there are some difficulties with stack user on the machine as I moved trove guest image build to devstack plugin
14:23:53 <cezary_zukowski> correct link?
14:23:57 <dkrol> I still need to debug it but it seems to be related to openstack infra and permissions
14:24:12 <bzurkowski> dkrol: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/606960/
14:24:41 <fanzhang> lol correct link ^
14:24:51 <dkrol> yes :)
14:24:59 <dkrol> too many tabs opened :)
14:25:41 <dkrol> anyway, this task still requires additional work
14:26:05 <cezary_zukowski> fingers crossed
14:26:15 <dkrol> I hope I will have better news next time
14:27:03 <dkrol> next topic should be about python3-first support but Marcin Piwowarczyk is absent so we can skip it
14:27:07 <dkrol> #topic Building the community
14:27:24 <dkrol> bzurkowski: do you want to comment on this ?
14:27:52 <dkrol> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-revitalization
14:28:13 <cezary_zukowski> btw. is distributing guest images a part of "Trove redisign"? it could attract more people (as Docker images)
14:28:48 <bzurkowski> cezary_zukowski: It is already included in Trove revitalization pad
14:28:51 <dkrol> cezary_zukowski: the idea is to build images automatically during devstack instalation
14:29:32 <cezary_zukowski> okay, but all this happens at the local installation? no public image repositor online?
14:29:47 <dkrol> no public images repo
14:30:10 <bzurkowski> Looking at our ideas in the pad there are several actions that we could undertake as the first step
14:30:32 <cezary_zukowski> dkrol: okay, just curious
14:30:54 <bzurkowski> 1. Write emails to each contributor that participated in reviews or development in Rocky and Stein releases
14:31:10 <bzurkowski> 2. Write email to OpenStack "community support" asking about the guideline
14:31:23 <bzurkowski> e.g. Kendall Nelson (Upstream Developer Advocate) and Ildiko Vancsa (Ecosystem Technical Lead)
14:32:26 <bzurkowski> 3. Add mailing list to inform interested people about the roadmap, progress and issues
14:32:43 <bzurkowski> What do you think?
14:32:50 <cezary_zukowski> good points, growing the network always counts
14:33:17 <bzurkowski> These actions shouldn't take much effort
14:33:37 <dkrol> yes, they look good to me
14:33:39 <pgodek> so no reason for asking - just do it
14:33:52 <cezary_zukowski> 4. make #openstack-trove not as silent as now :)
14:34:08 <dkrol> we can get email addresses from stackanalytics
14:34:35 <dkrol> so 1. is oriented towards previous users/developers
14:34:46 <dkrol> 2. and 3. is about new users
14:35:02 <fanzhang> About feature matrix, my experience is that we only have MySQL in production, redis and mongodb is stable but simple. I am not sure how we define experimental nowadays.
14:35:24 <dkrol> but I'm wondering how can we get direct access to existing users
14:36:03 <bzurkowski> Datastore maturity was defined years ago: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/trove-specs/specs/kilo/experimental-datastores.html
14:36:10 <fanzhang> Email is the only way I guess, maybe some social networking apps
14:36:38 <dkrol> fanzhang: reviewing datastore support status was an action point for Rocky release
14:36:58 <dkrol> it was not touch due to lack of resources I suppose
14:38:00 <dkrol> it is something in the update documentation task as well
14:38:40 <bzurkowski> cezary_zukowski: Since you started updating docs maybe it would be a good idea to look at current state of datastore capability matrix?
14:39:04 <pgodek> we can bring casandra to next level with not big effort but the question is  " is it our goal for now " ?
14:39:23 <dkrol> I would like also to emphasize that ongoing development and stable number of pushed and merged changes should be one of our priorities
14:40:12 <cezary_zukowski> bzurkowski: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/DatastoreCompatibilityMatrix
14:40:35 <bzurkowski> cezary_zukowski: Yes, this one
14:40:36 <dkrol> pgodek: I think we have other more important priorities and we don't have enough men power :/
14:41:02 <pgodek> @dkrol this is alos my impression
14:41:27 <bzurkowski> Maybe we should we put the matrix into better accessible place to show that Trove is versatile and powerful tool
14:41:48 <dkrol> bzurkowski: Let's do it.
14:42:43 <dkrol> I have just impression that if we will not show stable development Trove will be visible as a dead project
14:43:07 <fanzhang> Good point
14:43:31 <fanzhang> Working on docs maybe a fresh start.
14:43:47 <cezary_zukowski> bzurkowski: I will have a closer look at the document and whether it's up-to-date
14:44:14 <bzurkowski> We also have one talk about Trove at OpenStack Summit in Berlin
14:44:19 <bzurkowski> That could help advertise the project
14:44:36 <dkrol> having documentation updated is very important for new people
14:44:37 <bzurkowski> I mean, the talk + project update
14:45:32 <fanzhang> Is there any etherpad notes about the discussion? bzurkowski
14:45:34 <dkrol> bzurkowski: yes, this will give us audience but it would be great to have some progress to show in terms of merged changes
14:46:18 <bzurkowski> dkrol: Right, we must prepare something concrete
14:46:47 <bzurkowski> fanzhang: What discussion?
14:46:58 <dkrol> it is great we have the same point of view :) now we should just deliver
14:47:31 <fanzhang> I thought you mean you guys have had a talk at the past summit
14:48:16 <fanzhang> :)
14:48:29 <pgodek> we will have thalk in berlin ( next month )
14:48:32 <pgodek> https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22273/towards-production-grade-database-as-a-service-in-openstack
14:48:33 <bzurkowski> fanzhang: I meant, we are presenting the talk at the conference in Berlin, mid-November
14:49:41 <fanzhang> Yeah I see. Don’t realize summit in Berlin is the coming one. :(
14:52:07 <dkrol> fanzhang: I suppose you are not coming to Berlin then ? :)
14:52:38 <fanzhang> No I will not go to Berlin.
14:53:30 <dkrol> ok, do we have any other open discussion topics ?
14:54:59 <fanzhang> No more from my side. Thanks for all of you taking over trove and trying to make it great again.
14:55:22 <pgodek> No more from me either
14:55:41 <dkrol> fanzhang: thanks, I hope you will be still around
14:55:54 <bzurkowski> No more from my side
14:55:55 <dkrol> I suppose we can finish our meeting for today
14:55:56 <fanzhang> Try my best. Thanks
14:55:57 <cezary_zukowski> many thanks all :)
14:56:15 <bzurkowski> Thank you all for great meeting :)
14:56:17 <dkrol> see you all next time
14:56:19 <dkrol> #endmeeting