18:03:31 #startmeeting trove 18:03:32 Meeting started Wed Feb 12 18:03:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:03:33 hello 18:03:35 The meeting name has been set to 'trove' 18:03:36 o/ 18:03:37 o/ 18:03:38 o/ 18:03:38 o/ 18:03:44 o/ 18:03:46 hi all 18:03:54 whaazzzzaap 18:04:01 #topic i3 status 18:04:08 o/ 18:04:11 o/ 18:04:19 o/ 18:04:22 o/ 18:04:24 so weve had a few more blueprints merge, and weve definitely packed in more items 18:04:48 so i think we will have to slip our deadline to the end of feb 18:04:58 its fine for this cycle :) 18:05:20 i know rackers will be out of pocket for a good section of the last wk in feb as well 18:05:37 \o/ 18:05:57 /o\ 18:06:01 o_O 18:06:01 )))))) 18:06:04 ok my internet is freaking out.. 18:06:12 im back :) 18:06:12 >>:(( 18:06:21 so core needs to step it up and finish reviews 18:06:30 * grapex looks down bashfully 18:06:38 we need to focus on the critical gate fixing bug first tho 18:06:50 and we need to test out the datastore impls 18:07:02 o/ 18:07:08 there is only one unassigned bp in i3 18:07:13 and the rest are mostly in code review 18:07:16 ohh link sryy 18:07:25 #link launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-3 18:07:29 whoopsies 18:07:48 o/ 18:07:51 o/ 18:07:53 plz update your blueprints today 18:08:04 if its in 'needs code review', then we know to look at it 18:08:15 if its in started or not started, then we wont look for it in gerrit 18:08:21 we are focusing on this page for i3 18:08:25 that goes for bugs as well 18:08:27 Update? How? 18:08:36 sounds good 18:09:07 juice: make sure that any patchsets that you have in gerrit are linked with the BP. 18:09:19 (in the commit message) 18:09:23 Got it 18:09:40 That way the state of the bp will automatically be changed to "Code Review" 18:09:44 juice: make sure the "Delivery" status is set to "Needs Code review" 18:09:51 SlickNik: that doesnt hapen w bps 18:09:53 its manual 18:09:57 unless thats changed 18:10:11 ive manually set mine and many others :) 18:10:12 nope its manual last i saw 18:10:21 so go edit your bps!! 18:10:58 Ahhh 18:11:11 Thanks hub_cap for clarification 18:11:26 hub_cap: interesting; it used to work I think (maybe a bug in CI?). I guess do it manually for now. 18:11:57 I know you guys are swamped - can we talk about process perhaps triage perhaps using priority to help filter out "noise" 18:12:10 SlickNik: ive never seen it work 18:12:24 juice: in gerrit? 18:12:30 It's like looking at the matrix sometimes watching patches going into irc 18:12:30 or on this i3 page 18:12:52 In general 18:12:54 yea ive told core we need to focus on the i3 page, not the gerrit system for now 18:13:05 this should give us _some_ filter to the noise 18:13:17 at least till we get to the mid cycle sprint 18:13:17 So if it has been tagged as i3 then it's top priority 18:13:24 is there a similar status for bugs? 18:13:30 there we have a session on blueprints and bugs and how we can better our approach 18:13:31 that we should be focusing on reviewing 18:13:39 vipul: yes its just below the bps 18:13:41 on that same page 18:13:49 just review any marked as in progess? 18:13:50 but w bugs 18:13:55 it just goes to in porgress 18:14:29 *progress 18:14:30 lol 18:14:35 Bugs can still go in after the i3 FF, right? 18:14:44 yes, after i3 is cut 18:14:58 then only backported features that had a FFE (pretty much all of thse in i3 have to be in) 18:15:06 and yes they have to all be backported :) 18:15:12 and backported critical bugs 18:15:26 and then after that we can only merge bugs till its cut 18:15:33 so when after March 6th, we open it up for Juno? 18:15:38 once rc1 is cut (usually a wk after or whatever) 18:15:48 then juno is open 18:15:49 Ok 18:16:47 ok so any questions about this? 18:17:11 also, just so everyone knows, blueprints/bugs will eventually go away 18:17:31 the storyboard project team had a sprint (ttx i think ran it) 18:17:32 with storyboard? 18:17:42 and they are working, i think, toward a solution 18:17:46 hooray 18:17:47 im not sure how active it is 18:18:02 one of the developers on that sits on this floor 18:18:08 so i think it's on 18:18:47 Yup, it's definitely on from what I heard last. 18:18:57 #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/storyboard 18:20:06 hub_cap: where are the screenshots? 18:20:12 lol kevinconway 18:20:28 somewhat live here http://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/page/about 18:20:42 oh nice 18:20:48 ya if yall want, we can get in early 18:21:46 but like right now it has no login 18:21:53 lol 18:21:56 image-boards 18:22:00 but we can help their team w/ filing bugs and such 18:22:05 and help shape the project 18:22:07 totally anonymous 18:22:13 or we can keep using blueprints/bugs for now 18:22:19 no we will wait for auth denis_makogon :) 18:23:17 ok so any more Qs 18:23:20 i like jira 18:23:30 denis_makogon: ya they are choosing to build one 18:24:02 ok so moving on 18:24:08 #topic Meetup!! 18:24:28 so i think ill be able to post a link to a hangout for a few days 18:24:32 tinder vs… ? 18:24:37 im almost odne testing it 18:24:40 *done 18:24:47 tinder? 18:24:52 so we will have remote participation 18:25:07 as long as its < 9 remote participants :) 18:25:17 vipul: im sure it will be :) 18:25:27 if not we can um.. open 2x laptops 18:25:44 yep, probably not that many that won't be there 18:26:22 so the most important question.. are the parties booked? :) 18:26:29 i'm going to introduce myself to all of you as michael basnight 18:26:30 you should put them on the agenda page 18:26:32 but we will do our best to accommodate 18:26:42 i will vipul , once im sure its working 18:26:51 ill keep it to the channel tho 18:27:06 no, i am michael basnight! 18:27:06 so that we can have active participants instead of any random joe :) 18:27:20 oh no, i meant the party schedule hub_cap 18:27:21 lies 18:27:28 vipul: ohhh that schedule 18:27:34 yea i can do that 18:27:38 we are going to be PACKED 18:27:43 its like a 20~25 person room 18:27:46 with 30 people in it 18:27:57 but i imagine there will be some mingling / side convos 18:28:00 hopefully there are enough chairs 18:28:01 so that can happen outside 18:28:04 oh SkySQL came into the office.. they _may_ be coming 18:28:08 cp16net: u sit too much ;) 18:28:13 I wonder if it will be like twelve angry men. I'll be sure to bring my nice sweating shirt. 18:28:14 they will confirm today they said 18:28:28 to the meetup? yeesh thatll be painful! 18:28:36 yea.. kinda late to the game 18:28:38 its already closed / full :D 18:28:53 ill chat w em too if they really need to particiapte 18:28:56 wow i cant speel 18:29:08 i'll forward them to you.. you can tell them politely 18:29:15 :) 18:29:18 :) 18:29:41 Oh, speaking of the sprint. I set up a page for the key-signing party. 18:29:44 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust/Trove_Icehouse_Sprint 18:30:19 SlickNik: NICE 18:30:30 we should put some more verbiage here 18:30:36 ill add to it today 18:30:36 so am i limited to a certain number of keys i can bring? 18:31:03 There's a lot more verbiage regarding it if you click on the linked parent article 18:31:13 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust#Key_Signing_Process 18:31:51 kevinconway: not really, but only use ones that u actively use 18:31:54 *only bring* 18:32:00 oh icic 18:32:04 sweet SlickNik 18:32:13 so lets ad our fingerprints 18:32:54 Yeah, if you guys add them, I'll make sure I have enough sheets printed out for us all with the info on it. Should make life a little easier. 18:33:14 SlickNik: awesome, i was gonna do that the afternoon of the first day 18:33:19 if u need help SlickNik and I are avail 18:33:28 I have a script that will speed up this process slightly 18:33:57 hub_cap: Sounds good. Let me add that info to the sprint wiki. 18:33:58 We can verify a master list of keys so that everyone doesn't have to type them in 18:34:17 juice: i just give it my private key and it does it all right? 18:34:19 juice: u will still have to do typing when u get home :) 18:34:42 so that should be exciting :) 18:35:02 and we are going to do intros in the beginning too, and id like to make sure we have remote participants for that as well 18:35:06 Well we can put the key id in a file to identify your peers 18:35:22 we could put all our PKs in a shared drop-box 18:35:26 that would make it easy 18:35:58 sounds great kevinconway 18:36:00 juice: you can get the key from the GPG server, you wouldn't have to type it in. 18:36:23 You still need to identify the person you are signing 18:36:30 juice: You'd just have to ensure that the signature matches the one that you verified in person 18:36:37 There are about 20 of us 18:36:51 We each put out key id in a file and we verify that file 18:37:08 That file is then used by each person to identify their peers keys and sign it 18:37:59 juice: Let's take this offline after the meeting. :) 18:38:05 oh ok cool :) 18:38:09 so i sign my key and bring it? 18:38:12 i'm so confused 18:38:20 kevinconway: sign your key with uour key 18:38:28 kevinconway: just bring your laptop :D 18:38:39 and bring the signature of the fingerprint and sing that with your retina 18:38:40 we'll figure it out.. you're not the only one confused 18:38:49 its a lot easier than it seems 18:38:59 lets bring it back to trove channel and dicuss 18:39:38 so yes we will havesome cool events sponsored by http://www.tesora.com/, HP and Rax 18:39:47 in the evenings on wed and thr 18:39:57 i assume everyone will be going to those :) 18:40:19 so does anyoen ahve Qs about the meetup at present? 18:41:52 hub_cap: do you have certain goals that should come out of this meetup.. 18:42:01 fix all the things! 18:42:04 i.e. work items.. clarity.. what should be accomplished 18:42:35 i think that each session woudl have differnt goals 18:42:43 kevinconway: (and others who want more info about the keysigning party) Here's some more info you might find useful: http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html 18:42:51 but id like to, at least, have some concrete design for each thing/feature we are discussing 18:43:17 kind of looking forward to an event similar to pycon's TiP BoF at our midcycle 18:44:02 datsun180b: is that the drunkfest heckle event? 18:44:08 hub_cap: of course 18:44:15 and if possibel some hacking done vipul 18:44:37 if nothign else a really well formed blueprint w/ design, caveats of the feature, etc.. future thoughts 18:44:41 jesus your speeling is horibble 18:44:44 so that people can hit the road runnin for juno 18:44:50 it really is 18:44:53 hub_cap: ok cool 18:44:57 my fingers dont work at the proper speed 18:45:13 but my emacs fu is getting better so i can correct easier 18:45:20 i would try to present my vision of capabilities for meetup, if its possible 18:46:08 denis_makogon: 18:46:10 oopsies 18:46:20 i think it might make more sense to discuss capabilities over pecan/wsme 18:46:27 what do yall think? 18:46:47 hm, difficalt to say 18:47:07 if that so, we need to migrate to pecan first 18:47:21 it's not the easiest task 18:47:24 is there any discussion on v2 api? because that seems like the logical place to discuss pecan 18:47:26 One thing I'd like to talk about 18:47:39 is maybe moving files about to make the MVC pattern a bit more defined 18:47:45 as I think it could help us migrate to pecan 18:47:48 i'd left pecan/API v2 for the Summit 18:48:46 yea i think thats a fair 18:48:55 we should discuss the summit at the meetup 18:49:00 Oh no not patterns 18:49:01 I think we should go with capabilities unless we know there's an imminent effort to move to Pecan / WSME. 18:49:03 Hiss 18:49:27 lol kevinconway juice 18:49:29 i agree SlickNik 18:49:42 I feel like that discussion might be a bit more concrete. 18:49:45 Is pecan a done deal? 18:49:48 and i do think we should take some time to discuss that grapex , lets do it during a lunch time thing 18:49:55 hub_cap: Cool 18:50:02 juice: i believe everyone is moving to it evntually.. maybe im rong 18:50:05 *wrong 18:50:05 Also... let's talk about moving the Reference Guest 18:50:23 but i do agree w vipul that itll be a dicussion for when we need v2 18:50:24 And also my idea to nickname it "Reffy the Reference Guest" and give it a cartoon dog for a mascot 18:50:28 we can discuss that a bit during clutsreint too 18:50:34 *clustering 18:51:09 reference guest makes it sound taboo to actually us :p 18:51:28 use 18:52:27 vipul: But Reffy makes it sound adorable! 18:52:33 vipul: Good point though 18:52:42 i'm going to upload my competing guest called bashy 18:52:42 ok so it seems like we should discuss the sessions a bit 18:52:46 we can still move stuff around 18:52:51 100% shell commands 18:52:51 so lets take it offline too 18:53:03 /mute kevinconway 18:53:05 ;) 18:53:15 kevinconway: | bc "+1" 18:53:26 ok so this has digressed 18:53:45 #topic open dicussion 18:53:50 ooh ooh 18:53:56 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedSDK 18:54:00 do we have a hat in that ring 18:54:36 i have not talked w/ anyone from that yet 18:54:49 datsun180b: is there non-python implementatons in this 18:55:17 don't know about that so much 18:55:53 is it safe to assume they'll call us? 18:55:58 ask our ptl 18:56:57 there is already a python-openstackclient i wonder how this is different 18:57:22 unless they do plan to offer non-python bindings as well 18:57:22 seriously though if we don't try to help them i bet they'll try to build one without us and that could be a lot more difficult that it needs to be 18:57:40 ya ill buy in to this when the rest of the "Community" does 18:57:42 vipul: I think they're actually talking about the API here (not the consumer) 18:57:53 So you don't have to hit the endpoints directly. 18:58:00 right, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/unified-sdk-notes defines four layers 18:58:06 vipul, there are already non-pythonic binding (java, C#, etc) 18:58:13 datsun180b: not enough for a good dip though 18:58:23 kevinconway: seven or don't bother, right 18:58:40 vipul: i think layer four is where the bindings would go 18:58:58 ok so core, REVIEW 18:59:06 other people, REVIEW 18:59:11 lol 18:59:13 ok 18:59:20 use the i3 page as a guide 18:59:34 and with that its ova 18:59:41 #endmeeting