18:01:39 #startmeeting trove 18:01:40 Meeting started Wed Jan 8 18:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:40 o/ 18:01:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:43 The meeting name has been set to 'trove' 18:01:44 o/ 18:01:48 hub_cap would probably beat me if I didn't end it soon ;) 18:01:51 o/ 18:01:52 o/ 18:01:58 o/ 18:02:02 o 18:02:09 kiall: not me! 18:02:10 o/ 18:02:14 hey 18:02:23 o/ 18:02:30 first meeting of the year!! 18:02:31 o/ 18:02:33 o\ 18:02:37 o/ 18:02:41 o 18:02:45 o| 18:02:49 Happy 2014 folks! 18:02:53 #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting 18:02:56 thnks 18:02:57 that is yet to be evaluated 18:03:00 \o 18:03:06 yay the world survived another year! 18:03:09 lol datsun180b 18:03:21 o/ 18:03:34 ok so this isint on the list but id like to welcome amcrn to core! 18:03:43 yeah welcome 18:03:44 woot 18:03:46 more like amcoren 18:03:50 his first task, update russellb 's scripts to show hes in core! 18:03:52 congrats amcrn! 18:03:55 thanks :) 18:03:56 looking forward to all the −2s… I mean +2s 18:03:57 datsun180b: that was hub_cap quality 18:03:59 datsun180b: geesus thats my caliber of jokes 18:04:17 well someone's got to do your job 18:04:31 datsun180b: good call, 2x bad jokes are way better than 1x 18:04:46 ok so lets get to the real first topic 18:04:48 heh, welcome onboard amcrn. 18:05:11 #topic introduce parelastic 18:05:13 #link www.parelastic.com 18:05:41 anyone from parelastic here? 18:05:45 parelastic is a group w/ some mysql, linux, coding rockstars that is coming in to help us wiht, well ill let them talk about it. But im happy to have them joining the fold!! 18:05:47 yes, several of s 18:05:47 hi 18:06:00 hi there 18:06:01 welcome doug_shelley66 amrith and co 18:06:01 hey guys! 18:06:02 yo 18:06:10 NICE 18:06:10 Hi. 18:06:11 nice welcome :) 18:06:12 cool! more trovesters 18:06:13 hola 18:06:14 o/ 18:06:15 hello 18:06:17 howdy 18:06:20 wow, lots of 'em. welcome 18:06:24 we just doubled in size!! this is great stuff!! 18:06:26 ok wait! are we trovians? trovesters? 18:06:28 welcome 18:06:30 We are looking forward to getting involved in the Trove community and working with all of you 18:06:42 can we have a one hour meeting to decide this? 18:06:47 :) 18:06:48 imsplitbit: +1 18:06:51 i'd like clarity as well 18:06:52 trovenites 18:06:56 yeah see 18:06:59 imsplitbit: take your pick 18:07:01 we need clarity on this 18:07:04 trovers 18:07:04 ive been chatting w/ doug_shelley66 and amrith for a bit about comign aboard 18:07:20 lol you guys if u read this channel it loks like u want clarity about parelastic 18:07:32 not the choice betwen trovester and trovian or whatever 18:07:36 SlickNik: this is python, there should be one and only one way 18:07:42 trovellian 18:07:43 ha! 18:07:46 sorry about that 18:07:55 * imsplitbit is totally at fault for that 18:08:00 so lets skip the trovester stuff and let doug_shelley66 intro the team :) 18:08:08 I gues 18:08:08 +1 :) 18:08:10 lol 18:08:19 imsplitbit, let them speak 18:08:37 yea imsplitbit 18:08:45 hi there - so we have been working on DBaaS for a few years now and are very interested Trove and its direction 18:08:52 so onto the team 18:09:20 We are located between Toronto, Ontario and Cambridge MA 18:09:34 I'm the head of development and will be the Internal Dev Lead 18:09:37 Woo... fellow ONtarian here 18:09:49 ah, from where? 18:09:56 Ottawa. 18:10:14 That's Canada's capital for those who dont know :-) 18:10:21 ... 18:10:22 lol 18:10:22 say hi to Steve for me 18:10:47 so i know most of the team said HI at the beginning of this but why don't each of just indicate your name and location 18:10:49 Im Steve. but sure.. will do 18:10:59 everyone is steve! 18:11:10 are you a steve or a stew? 18:11:13 so doug_shelley66 what do you guys intend on working on? 18:11:22 doug_shelley66, so, what the difference between Amazon RDS and parelastic ? What kind of features do you have ? 18:11:44 let me answer hub_cap first 18:12:12 after some discussions with hub_cap we are interested in getting involved with the Clustering and Replication projects 18:12:58 sweet, we need the help 18:13:04 so far it's me 18:13:06 o/ 18:13:08 so I'm happy 18:13:21 imsplitbit, and me (from heat side) 18:13:25 at it's core ParElastic is a parallel database 18:13:43 horray for working on clustering and replication. there is a lot of owrk that will go into that 18:13:44 which can actually cause multiple RDS instances to look like one 18:14:09 is it more of a front end? or a different engine underneath? 18:14:42 we didn't implement a storage engine - it is using stock mysql 18:14:47 (or RDS) 18:15:18 doug_shelley66, so no NoSQL ? 18:15:34 double negative 18:15:48 no not NoSQL 18:15:49 :) 18:16:09 we are SQL at the front end 18:16:28 doug_shelley66: do you run parelastic in a separate instance than the mysql ? 18:16:44 that is one possible configuration 18:17:09 doug_shelley66: i've read the basic whitepaper, is there another one that details how the data distribution works? the introductory whitepaper states that administrative rules handle it, but i'd be interested in knowing more. 18:17:40 yes it seems like trove will have some of that logic as well amcrn :) 18:18:04 (by "basic whitepaper", i'm referring to https://s3.amazonaws.com/ParElastic/ParElastic_White+Paper.pdf, so there's no confusion) 18:19:13 amrcn - maybe we could setup a separate discussion - i don't want to side track this meeting too much? 18:19:20 ++ 18:19:22 ++ 18:19:23 no problem 18:19:30 That sounds like a good idea. 18:19:39 i think thats a fair introduction 18:19:57 parelastic team, feel free to start chatting in #openstack-trove with us w/ any questions 18:20:04 welcome! 18:20:20 Thanks - that would be great - as we are spinning up we certainly have questions 18:20:39 good to be here, thanks! 18:20:51 woo! 18:20:52 ok movin on 18:20:59 #topic mid cycle meetup 18:21:07 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/IcehouseCycleMeetup 18:21:25 doug_shelley66: are you and your team going to the meetup? 18:21:28 ugh, i'm not going downtown 18:21:32 it's so far away 18:21:35 lol 18:21:36 im excited about this one. other teams are doing it and i think itll be pretty nice to get together 18:21:44 lol datsun180b :) 18:21:46 hub_cap: +1 18:21:46 datsun180b: nice 18:22:26 sorry, but our team is not able to come due to several reasons 18:22:34 amytron - yes we will be sending a contingent 18:22:39 awe man 18:22:45 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveMidCycleMeetup 18:22:56 denis_makogon: :( 18:23:15 denis_makogon: we will find a way to get you involved, maybe a google hangout? 18:23:31 ill work w/ you denis_makogon to make sure u can be there in some form, we might have to experiment a bit 18:23:54 hub_cap, thanks 18:23:55 * datsun180b googles "diy telepresence robot" 18:23:59 Definitely will figure out a way to involve folks who won't be able to travel. 18:24:02 plz propose sessions to the etherpad 18:24:05 lol 18:24:21 http://www.hizook.com/files/users/3/Texai_Robot_BigBangTheory_6.jpg 18:25:33 hah ok that means its time to move on :) 18:25:37 yep 18:25:46 also, if u know u are going, and havent signed up yet, plz do now 18:25:48 or soon 18:26:02 it helps w/ our headcount for things like lunch, u do want lunch, right? 18:26:09 https://troveicehousemeetup.eventbrite.com/ 18:26:09 lunch++ 18:26:13 #link https://troveicehousemeetup.eventbrite.com/ 18:26:14 I expect 2 lunches 18:26:17 hub_cap: i'm sold 18:26:21 cweid: in 3 days? deal! 18:26:24 will special meal requests be fulfilled 18:26:25 lol 18:26:37 vipul: yup, all meals will contain chicken 18:26:41 or do i have to start eating meat now 18:26:52 vipul: :) 18:26:54 I request caviar-encrusted puffer fish for my lunch 18:27:24 i know we have special requests to fufill, we will have glueten free, vegetarian, i assume (right amytron ??) 18:27:54 what kind of food can't you get from a truck in downtown austin in the middle of the week 18:27:55 will Rax be hosting a party too? 18:27:59 Yes please. I'm flexitarian (I'll eat steak if you don't have vegan options). 18:28:08 esmute: ++ 18:28:10 NICE 18:28:13 those Rax parties are awesome 18:28:16 I'm with you vipul I need a kosher gluten free lactose free vegetarian meal 18:28:20 yes, i think we should provide vegetarian options. we can poll the participants after everyone registers 18:28:37 We also will serve plastic pellets. 18:28:44 amytron: is our socialist expert, she will be making plans on drinkups 18:29:05 wow, well. this is awkward 18:29:06 :) 18:29:07 HAAHAHAHAH 18:29:33 we will likely be doing some drinkups in some form or fashion :) 18:29:44 - likely 18:29:51 socialist or not 18:29:53 will there be special drink requests? 18:29:56 ok, i'm in 18:30:07 jimbobhickville: as long as the special request is a beer, yes 18:30:11 Whisky/ 18:30:22 can my special request be that you honor nobody else's special request 18:30:36 cweid, Irish bomb 18:31:28 cweid: This sounds good. 18:31:30 heh nice :) 18:31:37 oops 18:31:39 cweid: cweid you pulled a hub_cap 18:31:43 denis_makogon: this sounds good 18:31:48 ok movin on! 18:31:51 hub_cap: hub_cap we are twins. 18:31:51 to the less fun topic 18:32:02 cweid: dibs on davito 18:32:06 oh jees here it comes 18:32:12 Users... 18:32:14 #topic too many open reviews 18:32:19 lol no not users 18:32:31 cp16net: plz link those 18:32:40 #link http://www.russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-openreviews.html 18:32:55 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/mine/important/ 18:33:05 I'm going to have a chunk of time to work through a bunch of them today. 18:33:06 so we have a lot of reviews, this is partually due to the end of year, partially due to the core team size and partially due to the core team *participation* 18:33:28 And by going to have, I mean I've tried to put aside. :) 18:33:59 i accept some of the blame... haven't been active as i'd like to be on those 18:34:43 sorry to be a party pooper but just wanted to bring it up since i've seen so many reviews ~70 18:35:09 yes cp16net 18:35:11 cp16net: it's a fair point.. we havn't been doing our job 18:35:35 if some eyes could hit the configuration-groups review and the datastore-manager to versions review in particular, that'd be great 18:35:37 yes we really need to focus. im going to be putting my support behind all the datastore sint he next few days 18:35:40 ok i'll step off the soap box 18:36:06 not just core reviews. Non-core can also provide valuable reviews which can speed things up (not saying that I do :-)) 18:36:35 we need to merge the _large_ patches too, yes amcrn config groups and datastores 18:36:36 amcrn: will take a look. 18:36:40 esmute: i agree 18:36:47 esmute, true stroy 18:36:52 *story 18:37:21 ok so, we totally know this is an issue, and i will be harping on it 18:37:30 as a community, please, look at the stats 18:37:49 if you see core members not doing their jobs, call them out :) 18:37:52 stats != reality 18:37:54 it will help keep us in check 18:38:13 * imsplitbit ducks 18:38:15 stats measure reality? 18:38:19 denis_makogon: not sur ewhat u mean 18:38:28 the stats reflect the work each person does on reviewing 18:38:35 if you see a core member w/o a lot of reviews talk to them 18:38:40 cuz they arent doing their job 18:38:41 so 18:38:43 stats = reality 18:38:44 hub_cap, if you mean review/contribution stats 18:38:49 return true 18:38:55 i mean the reviews yes 18:39:00 that would be stats == reality 18:39:07 imsplitbit: shaddup 18:39:15 imsplitbit: unless javascript then stats === reality 18:39:28 ≠≠ 18:39:37 we haven't seen grapex for awhile 18:39:49 denis_makogon: grapex is on vacation :) 18:39:56 hub_cap, makes sense 18:40:03 yup 18:40:10 ill be screaming at core daily 18:40:20 result = new ComparisonFactory.create(ComparisonFactory.equals)().compare(stats, reality); 18:40:54 lol 18:41:39 ok so i welcome ideas for makign this better 18:42:19 #topic tempest integration 18:42:33 i like the idea of putting link to Russels site (open reviews section) in Open Discussion 18:42:56 it would be some sort of reminder 18:43:21 Okay, so I've submitted patches to devstack-gate, and openstack-infra config to enable us to run tempest on devstack-gate. 18:43:21 if u want to re-add it weekly denis_makogon im fine w/ that (i might forget) 18:43:40 SlickNik, could you share the links ? 18:44:07 Yeah, hang on. 18:44:11 k 18:44:35 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65065/ 18:44:35 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64913/ 18:44:35 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65040/ 18:44:36 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65065/ 18:44:38 :) 18:44:41 BEEEEEET U 18:44:43 thanks hub_cap 18:44:52 npnp 18:45:18 Also, I'm still working on cleaning up the guestagent elements and the job to build the image. 18:45:56 But this will allow us to get started writing Tempest tests that test the API and parts of the taskmanager, at least. 18:46:24 so, do we plan to deprecate -integration ? 18:46:27 Until that piece is in place. 18:46:54 denis_makogon: eventually the integration tests parts of it, at least. 18:47:16 I imagine it'll stick around until we have enough coverage in tempest. 18:47:52 i think we need pure plan for tests coverage 18:48:27 and we could split tasks between guys who works w/ tempest 18:49:01 I'd love help with writing tests for tempest. 18:49:15 I know some of you already started looking at it. 18:49:36 denis_makogon: can you explain what you mean by "pure plan"? 18:49:40 i know that my teammate is working on list- operation 18:50:28 when we would have merged infra and devstack patches we would need to cover ReST API part 18:51:07 so we have not so many tests which involves rest 18:51:26 we could give those tests to SnowDust, as variant 18:51:34 denis_makogon: are you talking about some kind of acceptance test that only uses api? 18:52:18 i mean that we need to split whole tests into separate independent groups and share them between everyone who is interested in it 18:52:29 lets work on delegatging outisde this meeting 18:52:34 k 18:52:36 and give some time for open discussion 18:52:59 Perhaps what's needed is to meet up regarding it and to talk about who's working on which pieces. 18:53:07 ++ 18:53:10 I can look into setting some time up for that. 18:53:32 #topic open discussion 18:53:38 GO GOGOGOGO 18:53:53 #topic airline food: what's the deal 18:53:54 #action SlickNik to organize some time to meet up and talk about who's working on what for the tempest tests. 18:54:51 datsun180b: depends on the airline, when i fly i get a great eggs benedict w/ bacon instead and a spicy hollindaise 18:55:00 oh wait thats airport food 18:55:03 not airline food 18:55:10 * SlickNik want's to know what airline hub_cap flies 18:55:20 eheh i just meant the air_port_ 18:55:23 imsplitbit: Do you have enough to push up reviews for the replication pieces you've been working on? 18:55:33 ah, makes more sense. 18:55:38 airport ramen 18:55:47 vipul not yet but I have 40% on metadata I'll be submitting soon 18:55:54 hub_cap: that sounds delicious 18:55:54 the replication will be fast follow 18:55:56 just api 18:55:58 no impl 18:55:59 AIRPORT RAMEN vipul 18:56:22 imsplitbit: Ok - we would like to help out with some of that, so whenever you have it we can look at it 18:56:34 no problem 18:56:42 if nothign else, push it to a fork :) 18:56:44 parelastic seems to want to help with that too 18:56:56 so we should be able to knock it out 18:56:58 quick 18:57:13 SlickNik, could you write ML about sub-meeting (topic - tempest and trove) ? 18:57:35 denis_makogon: will do. 18:57:39 imsplitbit - maybe we can connect up and see what we can help with 18:58:08 doug_shelley66: definitely 18:58:20 I would also like to host a meeting at the meetup in austin 18:58:33 very little presentation but lots of collaboration 18:59:05 ++ 18:59:06 :) 18:59:14 lets meet in Europe 18:59:21 suppose, Paris ? 18:59:22 denis_makogon: i agree!!! 18:59:24 Madrid 18:59:26 +1 18:59:28 denis_makogon: paris, texas 18:59:29 +1 18:59:29 :-P 18:59:30 Moscow 18:59:33 denis_makogon: yes 18:59:38 denis_makogon: or odessa, texas 18:59:41 London 18:59:43 how about Sochi in a few weeks 18:59:43 paris is the next one (after atlanta) 18:59:48 at Baker Street 221B 18:59:52 lol 19:00:03 its 11 19:00:04 good talk guys 19:00:05 #endmeeting