21:04:59 #startmeeting trove 21:05:00 Meeting started Tue Jun 25 21:04:59 2013 UTC. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:05:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:05:03 The meeting name has been set to 'trove' 21:05:17 #topic Action Items 21:05:27 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-06-18-21.04.html 21:05:42 thanks Vipul. 21:05:52 1. esmute and SlickNik to look into what happened to devstack-vm-gate integration. 21:06:37 I was mostly busy with the rename changes among other things, so I didn't have much time to look into this. 21:07:19 esmute isn't here yet, but I don't think he's made much progress on this front either. 21:07:35 Gonna action it again to look into it for this week. 21:07:41 o 21:07:43 whoops 21:07:44 ok 21:07:48 sounds good 21:07:59 #action esmute and SlickNik to look into what happened to devstack-vm-gate integration. 21:08:21 2. juice / vipul to look into how Heat achieves packaging / repo organization for its agent 21:08:41 I haven't had a chance to look into this yet 21:08:56 now that we have the trove renamed, might be logical next thing to split up repos 21:09:05 but will need more time to look into Heat's approach 21:09:21 what's the desire to split up trove? 21:09:25 no progress yet on that. 21:09:40 primarily makes packaging easier kevinconway 21:10:04 let me rephrase that, what things did you plan to break out of trove? 21:10:05 also easier from a review perspective, to look at code that only effects guest 21:10:10 guest agent 21:10:21 kevinconway: only the guestagent 21:10:47 #action juice / vipul to look into how Heat achieves packaging / repo organization for its agent 21:11:10 okay, moving on. 21:11:16 so if we decide to split up trove and trove-agent, what is the process for getting the new repo on openstack github? 21:11:42 that part is handled by openstack infra 21:11:56 we can get the openstack infra guys to do that for us. 21:11:57 need to send a patch to openstack-ci project, and it takes care of it 21:12:00 yup 21:12:11 3. imsplitbit, SlickNik, vipul and others to discuss the replication and clustering API 21:12:24 that didn't happen :) 21:12:26 been busy 21:12:33 I'd like to do that this week tho 21:12:36 let's try to get to it 21:12:40 So we had some discussion, but not enough methinks. 21:12:42 I'm out next week getting my knee whittled on 21:12:51 i had a couple of additional items i'd like to bring up 21:13:00 but i can hold them for that conversaion 21:13:04 ok 21:13:12 is tomorrow good for you guys? 21:13:20 Tomorrow it is :) 21:13:22 I'm basically open all day 21:13:26 8:00am? 21:13:27 Tomorrow sounds good. 21:13:33 PST? 21:13:41 8am is not cool 21:13:41 sure I'm up and online at 630 CST 21:13:42 #agreed Meet tomorrow 8:00am CST 21:13:47 lol 21:13:51 heh 21:14:06 1pst? 21:14:11 as I understand it nothing happens until after 11CST due to pst folks 21:14:39 we have a meeting tomorrow from 3-4pm 21:14:41 cst 21:14:43 Well, when you phrase it in terms of CST, yeah 21:14:47 thats all I have going on all day 21:15:06 11CST? 21:15:19 i get in at 10 pst :p 21:15:22 exactly 21:15:27 ahhh 21:15:32 late riser 21:15:39 I'd start working at 4am if they'd let me 21:15:57 we dont' get the sun very much, so makes it easier to sleep in til late :) 21:15:58 ok well then lets do 1pm pst thursday 21:16:04 ok that works 21:16:11 I'm fine with 1pm PST Thurs 21:16:20 works for me too 21:16:28 11:00AM CST 1:00PM PST? 21:16:43 I think that's 3pm CST 21:16:47 3pm cst 21:16:56 they're 2 hours behind *us* 21:17:00 one of these days i'm going to get this meeting super early 21:17:10 and by *us* I mean those in the civilized state of texas :) 21:17:15 ha 21:17:21 #agreed 1pm PST 21:17:22 #action imsplitbit, SlickNik, vipul and others to discuss the replication and clustering API at 11a.m. PST / 3p.m. CST on Thursday Jun 27 21:17:30 done and done 21:17:32 next 21:17:44 4. SlickNik look into publishing to pypi based on tags. 21:18:07 So, I looked into this, and it looks like the awesome infra team has hooked us up real good here. 21:18:28 Easy publish to pypi based on a tag of the code-base. 21:18:47 Right now, the only one allowed to do this is hub_cap. 21:18:58 and git tag will override the version in setup.cfg 21:18:59 The permissions are based off of groups in gerrit. 21:19:16 maybe we are talking about diff thing 21:19:21 forget about that 21:19:32 * cp16net is confused how many hours are there between PST and CST? 21:19:46 2? 21:19:46 2? 21:19:48 annashen: you speak correctly. 21:20:00 cp16net: 2 IIRC 21:20:01 ok and that action SlickNik said is 4 hours difference 21:20:05 slicknik: thx :) 21:20:08 lol 21:20:16 whoops 21:20:16 ah 21:20:19 mistake in action tag. 21:20:25 didn't check that 21:20:27 :) 21:20:32 as long as you know what the times are :-P 21:20:33 We need to get a clock up in the Austin office that's set to PST and labeled "HP Time" so we stop having to think about this. :) 21:20:42 haha 21:20:47 irc://15.185.114.44:5000/#action imsplitbit, SlickNik, vipul and others to discuss the replication and clustering API at 1p.m. PST / 3p.m. CST on Thursday Jun 27 (really) 21:20:59 gah 21:21:02 woah 21:21:03 LOL 21:21:07 try again 21:21:09 #action imsplitbit, SlickNik, vipul and others to discuss the replication and clustering API at 1p.m. PST / 3p.m. CST on Thursday Jun 27 (really) 21:21:16 better now? 21:21:18 swee 21:21:19 t 21:21:27 need more coffee :) 21:21:28 HP + hub_cap time 21:21:38 yep 21:22:00 We'll get a custom clock from Cafe Press with hub_cap's smiling face on it. 21:22:14 So that covers action items. 21:22:49 #topic Next Meeting Time 21:22:56 take it away datsun180b! 21:23:14 Okay, I closed the poll at http://doodle.com/fvpxvyxhmc69w6s9 21:23:43 lol and we don't have an unanimous choice 21:23:50 i feared this would happen 21:23:59 The resulting winner is 3pmC/1pmP on Wednesday, but it isn't a shutout 21:24:21 what's shutout? 21:24:27 I'll be the tie breaker 21:24:27 datsun180b: Not quite a knock out. 21:24:30 a complete victory 21:24:33 8am monday morning CST 21:24:39 imsplitbit: Sounds good! 21:24:42 ^^ banned 21:24:55 one way to make these meetings short :) 21:24:55 Runner-up is 3pm/1pm Tuesdays, with 13 votes 21:25:14 Will Tuesday conflict with an other OpenStack meetings? 21:25:23 hub_cap was mentioning that he'd rather not do Tuesday 21:25:27 per hub_caps comments I think wed is the better option 21:25:34 I thought tuesday was out because of hub_cap's other meetings 21:25:34 Does anyone have carrier pigeons or smoke signals we can send to hub_cap to confirm that? ;) 21:25:35 Since hub_cap is the missing 14th vote on Tuesday, I'd think so 21:25:36 grapex_: yes, it will. 21:25:55 8am cst mondays it is 21:25:56 So then, I ask you, Democratic Process, how do we proceed? 21:26:03 Would anyone be broken-hearted if we chose Wednesdays? 21:26:03 :-P 21:26:08 Wed got the most votes 21:26:15 so there you have it 21:26:25 we can try asking the reds… 21:26:38 Well, is that slot absolutely impossible, reds? 21:27:01 (kevinconway, esp, annashen, Riddhi) 21:27:20 peer pressure 21:27:22 wednesday works for me i guess. 21:27:24 i am fine with wednesday 21:27:32 lol@robertmyers 21:27:32 me too:) 21:27:33 i feel like my vote didn't have the weight it deserved though 21:27:36 For the record I'm glad that Vipul asked me to knock the half-hours out 21:27:44 every weekday at 12:00pm CST 21:28:08 This poll is biased too because it didn't include the weekends 21:28:09 kevinconway: if you could convince us all of that what are you doing not running for President 21:28:24 okay, in effect next week? 21:28:39 new poll 21:28:41 Wednesdays @ 1 PST / 3 CST ? 21:28:42 sounds good, would you prefer to make the action # ? 21:28:53 yeah, vipul 21:29:09 go for it datsun180b, all yours 21:29:23 #action Trove meetings now Wednesdays, 3pm C/1pm P 21:29:29 Ahhhhh yeeaaaah 21:29:30 datsun180b: plz update the openstack meetings wiki page 21:29:41 oh, now you want me to do TWO things?! 21:29:58 can't let you off that easy 21:30:08 It's a quote, just ask cp16net 21:30:08 #agreed 21:30:30 okay, moving on? 21:30:52 next 21:31:03 #topic Reddwarf -> Trove move 21:31:15 augh, UTC? Aren't we at -5 during DST? 21:31:28 datsun180b: yes 21:31:33 danke 21:31:49 The rename happened. Thanks hub_cap / datsun180b. 21:32:11 Renaming that wiki page too fyi 21:32:33 now that we have an official name and official github, can we get on the official project lists 21:32:53 I noticed some files still had older name (possibly due to changes merged between when hub_cap made the change and when it actually got merged). 21:33:04 kevinconway: what do you mean? 21:33:17 Actually esmute noticed it, thanks! 21:33:19 if you don't search for trove you will never find it by looking through openstack docs 21:33:50 hmm i notice we're here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Projects 21:33:55 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34459/1 should get the remaining of it. 21:34:31 we should be at the top of the page though, and

at least 21:35:26 #agreed 21:35:46 kevinconway:

is asking too much 21:35:57 heh 21:36:20 we're on the unofficial list as well. 21:36:35 lol good catch 21:37:15 okay, any more discussion regarding the rename? 21:37:21 #action vipul to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove and remove 'reddwarf' 21:37:53 #action SlickNik to check on rdjenkins to make sure it's working okay with the rename 21:38:12 #link #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html 21:38:54 kevinconway: how is that generated? docbook? 21:39:27 we don't have a developer doc, that's probably why we are left out 21:39:47 vipul: I think there is a CI-infra job that generates them (per project). 21:39:57 I think we still need to set this up for trove. 21:40:10 can you look into it? 21:40:34 #action SlickNik to look into developer docs so we are visible here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove 21:40:34 yeah, I was talking to clarkb about it earlier last week, will dig in to it some more. 21:40:41 aah crap, bad link 21:41:07 #action ^^ http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html 21:41:18 cool, thanks for the action. 21:41:40 anything else to do with renaming? 21:41:49 i think we good 21:41:51 ... 21:41:54 okay moving on 21:42:20 I think this is left over from last meeting 21:42:22 API Validation update 21:42:25 #topic API Validation update 21:42:37 old news i think 21:42:57 Yah, juice completed it and it was merged. 21:43:08 so, moving on... 21:43:20 everyone's favourite topic... 21:43:29 #topic Open Discussion 21:43:57 I did want to bring up that we should now probably use the ML more 21:44:15 so wonder if the Clustering stuff is a good candidate for ML discussion 21:44:24 +1 21:44:28 imsplitbit: ? 21:44:43 hai! 21:44:50 ML... 21:44:51 \o 21:44:57 mailing list 21:45:00 oh 21:45:04 yes mailing list 21:45:07 do we have one? 21:45:07 good call 21:45:14 it's not on launchpad 21:45:15 openstack-dev 21:45:17 I wasn't aware we had one 21:45:21 thats pretty open 21:45:29 my fear would be it would get lost in the noise 21:45:34 right, teams don't have spearate ones 21:45:41 wow 21:45:43 why not? 21:45:46 it's at openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org 21:45:48 [trove] in the subject line 21:45:50 just title it [Trove] 21:45:56 ah 21:45:58 okie 21:46:04 for sure we can discuss things there 21:46:15 I just find that if you can tie people down for one hour you tend to get more done 21:46:19 #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo for subscription info 21:46:22 email arguments can go on for days 21:46:35 I'm not opposed to discussing it there tho 21:46:41 imsplitbit: agreed, but you tend to get a larger audinece 21:46:43 imsplitbit: are you related to Snidely Whiplash, tying people down 21:46:44 which is a good and a bad thing 21:47:13 we can definitely discuss #trove, but we're pretty quiet for an incubated project 21:47:14 yeah vipul 21:47:18 on ML that is 21:47:30 ok well lets nail down some details on thurs 21:47:36 then I'll spam the mailing list 21:47:46 ok 21:47:50 with "this is what we're thinking..." 21:47:56 sounds good imsplitbit. 21:48:00 kk 21:48:08 I've kept everything in the openstack wiki 21:48:13 so it's all open 21:48:38 nice, hopefully we'll get some good feedback 21:49:20 Any other orders of business at hand? 21:49:59 going once 21:50:03 going twice 21:50:07 $10 21:50:16 #endmeeting