17:00:10 #startmeeting training-manuals 17:00:10 Meeting started Mon Jul 14 17:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' 17:00:17 Roll 17:00:22 hey 17:00:30 Hi 17:00:44 Dguitarbite won't be joining us 17:00:48 Hello all 17:00:53 im here 17:01:03 Oh, hi there 17:01:17 Mumbai traffic has improved a lot 17:01:21 #topic stable update 17:01:25 Excellent 17:01:54 we are working on basic install guide 17:01:54 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/basic-install-guide-rough-draft 17:02:06 rough notes are on the Etherpad link 17:02:40 to meet the Juno2 deadline, we will be copying the docs install guide content and slowly start re-using them 17:02:49 from install guide 17:02:51 hi guys 17:02:57 Hello 17:02:58 hello 17:03:06 Copy, eh 17:03:22 Are you sure that is wise? 17:03:33 to meet the dead line 17:03:45 and I had some time to think about this 17:04:03 How will you back reference the original? 17:04:03 and it would be better for us and docs team to have our content to refer to 17:04:17 exact copy of the install guides content 17:04:32 and break it down as required, then push the changesto docs 17:04:36 This is the still that is out of circulation? 17:04:41 and fix the url 17:05:02 *fix the urls and use xi:include 17:05:10 circulation? 17:05:11 This material is not currently published? 17:05:19 nope 17:05:24 it is not currently published 17:05:28 Okay then I'm good 17:05:39 to be more precise, install guides have lot of content 17:05:43 Sound like a good step 17:05:50 which should not be included for basic install guide 17:06:01 Understood 17:06:14 thanks, Roger, Matjazp any comments? 17:06:27 What else you got for us? 17:06:28 not for that part. 17:06:52 hmmm.. not too happy about copying.. but I guess it could work 17:06:53 I looked into creating PDFs from landslide presentations. 17:07:22 matjazp: we will slowly transition into re-using the copied docs content 17:07:45 its too much work in multiple direction to try and attempt it at once 17:08:08 slowly transition == about a month 17:08:15 rluethi: sorry, continue 17:08:16 Spec bp on this? 17:08:36 dguitarbite: without using princexml (proprietary). 17:08:46 dguitarbite: will that have effect on translation infra? 17:09:21 rluethi: did you find anything? I looked a bit around too.. 17:09:49 matjazp: I think I may have a solution. I tested it with the initial import that is 17:09:58 matjazp: still under review (?). 17:10:15 matjazp: it should not, openstack bot will automatically fix the translation file *.pot file if I am correct 17:10:17 matjazp: there is an alternative which seems to work. 17:10:17 Rluethi which review 17:10:39 sarob: "initial import of training slides" or something. don't have an url handy. 17:10:50 rluethi: sounds good, I guess you need to push a spec patch and start pushing more patches on it 17:10:55 sarob: the one you'll clean up ;) 17:11:06 Rluethi ah right 17:11:08 what exactly do you use for converting it to PDF format? 17:11:10 sarob: this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ 17:11:56 dguitarbite: epicslide and dependencies. 17:12:07 dguitarbite: yes, but it will create a lot of duplicate translation strings... copied content== duplicate translations strings? 17:12:37 initially yes, but we will push the changes in the original location and delete the duplicate files 17:12:48 otherwise we will take a few months for the same work 17:13:08 as we need to convince install guide guys for each patch, instead just show the existing content 17:13:25 for smoother and faster transition 17:14:32 Is this going to create a lot more work than just creating PDFs? 17:14:36 dguitarbite: well.. sure, lets try that way... 17:15:09 rluethi: epicslide? you have link? 17:16:29 matjazp: https://github.com/netantho/epicslide 17:17:21 Will we need to start supporting it or is it stable? 17:17:41 Last activity was a year ago? 17:18:15 also its a fork of landslide 17:18:34 can we not reuse landslide or port the pdf features as per our requirements? 17:18:35 sarob: if you are talking about landslide, I was thinking the same. but it seemed to work, which is a plus. 17:19:03 Okay, just asking 17:19:14 Any other stable news? 17:19:54 thats it for today 17:19:55 sarob: maybe could we get PrinceXML license from OpneStack Foundation? Like for Oxygen? 17:20:33 #action sarob rluethi epic slide port as option for dev reed materials 17:20:49 Matjazp worth a look 17:21:00 matjazp: I'm not keen on adding more dependencies on proprietary software. we can't hand it out to everybody who wants to help or test. 17:21:17 sarob, I looked at xml briefly, I can't make myself like it, sorry... 17:21:18 #action sarob princexml licensing to foundation option 17:21:37 the more I look at the issue, the more I find it depressing 17:21:39 rluethi: can we not take the pdf feature n push it to landsilde? 17:21:46 rluethi: yes, I agree - but it's also a mora pragmatic approach ... PDFs will be available for free from our site 17:21:47 Reed understood we are working on supporting the rst 17:22:02 sarob, rst is only slightly less depressing :) 17:22:04 reed: whats the exact issue? 17:22:09 dguitarbite: not sure, I haven't looked at the code yet. 17:22:26 Reed rst is at least what everyone knows 17:22:36 rluethi: lets attempt feature addition to landslide 17:22:46 dguitarbite, only WYSIWYG for anything involving graphic is not depressing 17:22:54 dguitarbite: go ahead, be my guest :) 17:22:57 Rluethi good point 17:23:13 rluethi: definatly 17:23:19 but only after Junno2 17:23:27 s/Junno2/Juno2 17:23:42 I have some little hopes for webodf 17:24:08 Reed well we need it to work today 17:24:13 reed: ok, oxygen may be your friend for WYSIWYG 17:24:13 sarob, indeed 17:24:49 sarob, I also need to pull in Vince from IBM in this (will email you later) 17:24:53 Any other stable news? Or move on? 17:25:00 move on 17:25:01 Reed roger 17:25:12 #topic infra update 17:25:43 roger can you update about our chat on friday 17:26:09 Updates on tests or something else? 17:26:13 we talked about scripts development, ,mostly short term 17:26:21 Ah 17:26:28 it's documented on etherpad 17:26:42 plans for script directories and config directories. 17:26:48 Linked anywhere else? 17:26:57 Off wiki? 17:26:59 also we are planning to add some tests etc. 17:27:09 probably only on the wiki 17:27:16 it's work in progress 17:27:20 That's good enuf 17:27:24 rluethi: can you paste etherpad link 17:27:25 ? 17:27:57 We should get in the habit of either matching to a bug or bp for all work 17:28:03 dguitarbite: I don't have it right now, but I can post it later. 17:28:21 I can't track via launchpad otherwise 17:28:35 sarob: its initial planning stage, we are just evaluating various possibilities based on our observations 17:28:47 Okay 17:28:53 we will push it once we are certain that our idea works/can be implemented 17:29:01 and is not too optimistic 17:29:02 Sounds good 17:29:20 Any ideas on new lang support? 17:29:41 Ja and fr seem like easy wins 17:29:47 I dont have much on lang support 17:30:01 rluethi any ideas? 17:30:08 sarob: what about fransthamura? 17:30:42 dguitarbite: there was a language patch by andreas jaeger, haven't looked at it yet. 17:31:04 dguitarbite: here's the #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-labs-scripts 17:31:06 sarob: he could start with Indonesian (?) translations... 17:31:08 rluethi: he said that its just temporary and it will transition to openstack-doc-tools 17:31:16 I am not 100% sure if it will work 17:31:33 #action Fransthamura tasked with helping infra team on Indonesian lang support 17:31:37 but we need some expert in the given language which we are targeting for translation 17:31:45 dguitarbite: then I don't want to interfere, let's see how andreas' patch works out. 17:31:56 yes 17:32:12 I have no experience or leads when it comes to translation 17:32:27 sarob: do you have any particular time frame for translations? 17:32:47 dguitarbite: I have some experience in Western European languages i18n/l10n, but it's been a while. 17:32:49 I'm targeting jm3 for first lang support 17:33:08 sarob 17:33:08 I'd 17:33:12 : ok 17:33:24 Rather you guys team up with the experts 17:33:40 and feed them lang experts 17:33:42 rluethi: it may be easier for you to check if the French translation is possible and sane enough to publish 17:34:03 Our plates are full already 17:34:11 dguitarbite: So is there one in the pipleline already? 17:34:16 sarob: for me Juno3 will be to update basic-install-guides and other content for Juno 17:34:18 dguitarbite: haven't seen it. 17:34:23 I'm still not sure, how will XML includes affect translation strings? 17:34:37 it will be a bit difficult to work on translations esp. when Ill be moving countries soon 17:35:08 rluethi: I guess Tom Fifield will be a good person to ask for translation related queries 17:35:15 I think we need to reassess our bugs and bp this week 17:35:23 dguitarbite: ack 17:35:57 sarob: I concur 17:36:04 also can we have a sprint next week 17:36:17 #action whole team take a look at bugs and bp for training 17:36:45 If something is missing or already fixed create/update 17:37:10 I should be locking down features this week for Juno release 17:37:28 sarob: there have been loads of changes in the structure etc. to make many bugs invalid. I guess we have put regressions in our bugs 17:38:04 Dguitarbite sprint sounds good if we can rally the troops 17:38:27 I will be at oscon so limited help from me 17:38:32 :( 17:38:49 Let's move on 17:38:52 ok 17:39:00 Unless something else? 17:39:29 move on 17:39:41 Moving 17:39:54 #topic testing update 17:40:03 Matjazp how 17:40:08 unfortunately...nothing new this week... we were moving our Lab to our new building... 17:40:13 Goes it? 17:40:23 Okay, no 17:40:28 Orb 17:40:32 Prob 17:40:34 matjazp: hmm, it must be painful process 17:41:04 dguitarbite: yes... we were offline for whole weekend... our private cloud and all other stuff from our lab 17:41:53 #topic dev update 17:42:42 I need work on the reed materials, still outstanding 17:42:56 sarob: at oscon, will you speak with M. Rice from LPI? 17:43:03 Haven't got any new feedback 17:43:13 is reed Stefano? 17:43:15 sarob, I should publish the raw odp files somewhere 17:43:18 dguitarbite, yes 17:43:20 Matjazp maybe. Not sure he will be there 17:43:39 reed: :) 17:43:43 sarob: I think he will... he was mentioning it on Skype 17:43:50 Reed another patch to training is good for that 17:44:07 sarob, binaries in git? I thought people didn't like that 17:44:14 Matjazp anything you want from rice? 17:44:23 reed: can you push it to your github repo instead then? 17:44:28 how big are the binaries? 17:44:37 * reed checks 17:44:42 sarob: well it would be nice if we knew if the contract went through 17:44:59 Matjazp hmm, right 17:45:57 dguitarbite, ~9Mb 17:46:47 ok, i think its not too big, would it be possible to link them via. dropbox/gdrive or aws s3 container? 17:47:09 Reed gdrive is pref 17:47:19 i'll drop them on my rackspace account 17:47:26 come on, we make openstack :) 17:47:27 Reed are 17:47:49 Reed are you planning training for oscon? 17:47:57 Reed I didn't hear 17:47:59 About it 17:48:05 I'll be in Portland 17:48:11 no training sessions there 17:48:16 reed: haha, sure :) 17:48:29 Paris is the next one 17:48:31 Reed okay. Cloud files to 17:48:33 Yo 17:48:47 Paris right then 17:49:16 Any other dev info? 17:50:02 #topic any other business 17:50:14 I got something 17:50:23 I would like all the sub-team leads to attend our design sessions 17:50:34 does that sound reasonable ? 17:50:42 Summit? 17:50:48 yeah 17:50:54 I say yes 17:51:02 sure 17:51:04 dguitarbite: not sure I can make it. 17:51:28 sure, we can have you over video chat 17:51:35 #action training core reviewers /leads attend all training Juno design sessions 17:51:59 And thus it be so 17:52:22 * dguitarbite amen 17:52:45 If that is it , I call this meeting concluded 17:52:54 8 mins back to y'all 17:53:00 Thank you! 17:53:07 bye all. 17:53:07 Cheeers! 17:53:12 bye 17:53:14 bye 17:53:26 #endmeeting