17:10:05 #startmeeting training-manuals 17:10:06 Meeting started Mon Jan 27 17:10:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:10:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:10:09 The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' 17:10:13 ok, thats better 17:10:19 attendance 17:11:01 Can you run the meeting 17:11:04 I am 17:11:13 Okay cool 17:11:13 was on ipad to start 17:11:23 I'll chk in later 17:11:24 #topic current work 17:12:03 I am still work in progress for the social media action plan. 17:13:01 #topic quizes 17:14:09 dguitarbite: last meeting there was a bit of testing for the moodle ap 17:14:14 any update on status? 17:15:02 colinmcn: yes, moodle works fine, nearly ready for pushing it to infra 17:15:22 did the meeting with the infra team go off so they know it's coming? 17:15:32 I tried out Launchpad plugin, it has a few bugs, need to figure out how to do the auth 17:15:46 nope, not yet. We need to figure out how to provide login 17:15:57 #action dguitarbite figure out auth with moodle launchpad plugin 17:16:30 #info launchpad auth on moodle has to be figured out before we present to infra team 17:16:36 I meant, if Launchpad plugin does not work, how to go forward with Login and what kind of stats integration are required with OpenStack 17:17:07 depending on how close you feel you are 17:17:08 *OpenStack's existing stats 17:17:10 if it takes more then a week 17:17:20 I would say, let's reach out to infra team for guidance 17:17:34 if under a week, I would vote to go heads down and get the feature pushed out 17:17:37 and then present to them 17:17:52 whats your gut feel on effort? 17:18:41 well, sky's the limit, Moodle is really good as it has an efficient CMS eco-system built for its users 17:18:57 let me rephrase 17:19:01 ok, by next IRC meet I'll get the end result out 17:19:31 #action by next monday dguitarbite will have work estimation (go or nogo) for moodle launchpad 17:19:48 I would recommend popping onto the #openstack-infra channel 17:19:58 and asking about options 17:20:09 Jeremy, Monty and team are awesome-sauce 17:20:59 colinmcn_: thanks! 17:21:18 you're all welcome in there any time 17:21:32 #info infra team is the circulatory system of OpenStack ;) 17:21:47 #topic commercial training 17:21:47 more like the digestive system, but... 17:21:50 lol 17:21:50 colinmcn_: Moodle has inbuilt auth system and uses MySQL db (and similar ones) 17:21:51 true 17:22:05 so if Launchpad is nogo then we can use the inbuilt auth system 17:22:15 #topic back to moodle auth 17:22:39 ok, well give it some time and document the options so we can have the cleanest integration 17:22:48 ok 17:22:54 #topic commercial training 17:23:22 dguitarbite: you had mentioned last week that commercial implementation of training-guides was set for next month 17:23:33 is there a specific date? 17:23:49 1st Feb 17:24:17 #info first commercial training feb 1 2014 17:24:18 im going to two universities in India ... so we can have loads of feedback 17:24:21 so, thats 4 days 17:24:33 yep, getting training-manuals ready for it 17:24:37 do we have a survey setup to get documented feedback? 17:24:47 servey-monkey, moodle, etc? 17:24:55 none that I know of 17:25:20 was thinking there may be value in getting feedback logged programatically 17:26:21 moodle works for feedback survey but it will be a dab way to get the user feedback, how is surveymonkey? 17:26:42 yet another survey tool is what surveymonkey is 17:26:48 I like your idea of feedback 17:27:06 will the students be using moodle during the class? 17:27:29 not for this training 17:27:41 Internet is not reliable :( 17:27:49 :/ 17:28:00 so that rules out surveymonkey too 17:28:13 for survey we could make it work 17:28:18 ok 17:28:26 how many days is the class? 17:28:32 for teaching I meant, we cannot rely on internet as its supposed to be around 10 days 17:28:44 10 days 17:28:54 how many students per class? 17:29:11 5~7 max 17:29:20 they are Professors from the UNI 17:29:39 ok, I'll set up a survey monkey for each day 17:29:56 #action colinmcnamara sets up a surveymonkey for feb1 class 17:30:05 thanks 17:30:08 np 17:30:57 #topic any items outstanding for the class 17:31:22 are there any items that if not completed will significantly impact the delivery of the class? 17:31:28 need to discuss the format for Associate training 17:31:40 can you start the gdoc drawing? 17:31:48 link? 17:32:31 https://docs.google.com/a/aptira.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit 17:32:59 #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit 17:33:13 gdoc open 17:33:13 FYI for zooming use the zoom button on top bar instead of C^+ 17:33:46 i'm there 17:33:57 can you see the blocks selected by me ? 17:34:00 yes 17:34:12 we swapped Network Node and Compute Node 17:34:16 bk002-ch007 17:34:25 sean: said we better discuss it, is that fine? 17:34:26 #topic associate-guide format 17:34:37 yes, switching to that tpic 17:34:45 bk001-ch3 to 5 17:35:14 ok, then I don't see what you have highlight 17:35:49 got it 17:36:06 red bg 17:36:08 ok 17:36:22 so, swapping compute and network node 17:36:26 yep 17:37:05 as compute node is the shortest, we can add in post-install tasks (dashboard and CLI usage) with Compute Node 17:37:33 you feel that will improve flow and understanding? 17:37:51 a bit, yes 17:38:00 as its tough to digest Neutron 17:38:03 I vote go for it 17:38:07 so we do not mix it with anything else 17:38:14 especially since it's the associate guide 17:38:35 did the same for Operators 17:39:02 Control >> Most Services -- max time 17:39:03 Network >> Lesser than Control -- med time 17:39:16 Compute -- A few service -- Lease time 17:39:41 #info network post install tasks consolidated with compute node section 17:40:41 So, that's one critical path item 17:40:46 any other critical path items? 17:40:52 to the feb1 launc 17:40:54 nope 17:40:59 just this one 17:41:32 cool 17:41:38 #topic any other business 17:41:47 any other business to discuss? 17:41:53 any advice? 17:42:11 on training bunch of people who barely know linux :| 17:42:35 Notes, Notes, Notes 17:42:48 get the students working for you 17:42:56 ask them to take notes on things that worked, things that didn't work 17:42:56 they are Professors! 17:43:13 remember, student / teacher is a role that can be swapped 17:43:22 expert in one, novice in another 17:43:30 don't get to hung up on schedules 17:43:40 right now the schedules are estimations 17:44:15 at the beginning of the class, be sure to thank everyone for participating in something big 17:44:21 yes, I will be doing time tracking, I guess most valuable feedback 17:44:29 and call out that their feedback is critical 17:45:04 if you get them in the mindset of participating in a process 17:45:14 vs critiquing a class 17:45:20 everyone will benefit 17:45:38 oh, and make sure to be 30 min early and great everyone personally 17:45:40 ;) 17:46:07 yes sir :) never thought of that! 17:46:19 thats a great trick for building report 17:46:35 that and having everyone introduce themselves, their background and what they want to get out of the class 17:47:03 don't get to hung up on the fact that they are professors. They are just people, like you and I 17:47:20 and don't forget to sleep 17:47:21 ;) 17:48:01 no ofcourse, I dont discriminate, its fun to learn from their experience too. 17:48:26 yup. they are people too. and have lots of great feedback on the educational process 17:48:47 yeah 17:49:09 That's all I got 17:49:21 thanks a lot colinmcn: I owe you a few beers 17:49:25 \m/ 17:49:56 I owe you a case of beers 17:50:23 on that note. If there is not any other business, I'll close the meeting 17:50:32 im good 17:50:37 met too 17:50:47 #endmeeting