15:01:46 <sarob> #startmeeting training-manuals
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15:02:33 <sarob> who do we have this morning/evening?
15:03:13 <alagalah> hey
15:03:23 <sarob> morning
15:04:23 <sarob> i was up late with pranav chatting, so he is prob sleeping
15:04:59 <sarob> #topic training guides restructuring
15:05:32 <sarob> #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit?usp=sharing
15:06:33 <alagalah> No access, I requested
15:07:41 <sarob> access granted
15:08:18 <alagalah> got it
15:08:45 <sarob> i whiteboarded the conversion of install guides and aptira content
15:09:06 <sarob> along with the actual training schedule
15:09:32 <alagalah> Looks good
15:09:59 <sarob> i realized we were trying to do too much with the associate guide
15:10:15 <alagalah> This gives some nice context around the actual objective of a class
15:10:29 <sarob> yeah, i think this is on the right track
15:10:49 <alagalah> How does this change the structure? Does this mean cards need to be refactored to diffferent guides or is it a major re-write ?
15:11:05 <sarob> i think so
15:11:08 <alagalah> Which ?
15:11:11 <alagalah> Both ?
15:11:12 <alagalah> :)
15:11:33 <sarob> the content is the same but needs to be across two guides
15:11:49 <sarob> two days of training
15:12:00 <sarob> plus quizes and test
15:12:15 <sarob> means very focused material
15:12:26 <alagalah> That makes sense
15:12:29 <sarob> we had more like two weeks
15:12:36 <sarob> to teach
15:12:52 <alagalah> Hmmm yeah the intro course needs to be short
15:13:03 <sarob> once i wrote out the schedule, it was a head slap
15:13:25 <sarob> breaks, lunch, quizes, test
15:13:34 <sarob> all eat into two days
15:14:03 <alagalah> Ok so what's next then?
15:14:16 <alagalah> You need validation of your whiteboard?>
15:14:21 <sarob> yeah
15:14:30 <sarob> pranav liked it
15:14:42 <alagalah> Is there a reason we only use one compute node?
15:15:00 <sarob> it turns out to be very close to what aptira has structured for their training this week
15:15:13 <sarob> do we need more than one?
15:17:10 <sarob> alagalah if you can double check and tweak the gdraw
15:17:23 <sarob> ill feel like we can more forward
15:17:39 <sarob> id really like to get colin's input too
15:18:00 <alagalah> I shall
15:18:03 <sarob> i was hoping he'd pop in, but vacation and all
15:18:14 <alagalah> Yeah totally understandable, nfi what the time diff is
15:18:19 <sarob> very selfish
15:18:40 <sarob> its in the evening
15:18:44 <sarob> his time
15:19:09 <sarob> thats all i have
15:19:22 <alagalah> Well, I guess the real question is what would we gain out of 2 compute nodes?
15:19:46 <alagalah> live migration ?
15:19:52 <alagalah> Or is that out of scope?
15:19:56 <sarob> im game if you think we them
15:20:02 <sarob> we need them
15:20:24 <alagalah> Well... I'm just thinking about the sorts of things a VMWare admin might want to see in a course
15:20:25 <sarob> sure that would be a reason
15:20:34 <sarob> hmm, right
15:20:55 <alagalah> I mean you can take the stand point of "I know nothing about virtualisation, openstack me" or "We have vmware but want to investigate this openstack stuff"
15:20:57 <sarob> keeping noodling on it
15:21:17 <sarob> yeah, we need to service both
15:21:17 <alagalah> I guess the real thing would be to just bang it out as is and then get a final version and market test it
15:21:42 <sarob> member that the assoc guide is very intro
15:22:09 <alagalah> Ok that's a fair answer should it come up
15:22:15 <alagalah> So I guess that falls under "duly noted"
15:22:18 <sarob> experienced vmware eng could breeze through assoc, then focus on oper
15:22:29 <alagalah> There ya go!
15:22:31 <alagalah> hold 1
15:22:45 <alagalah> Do we call out pre-reqs for the courses?
15:23:13 <sarob> ah, right you are
15:23:28 <sarob> want to add that to the gdraw?
15:24:04 <alagalah> I shall
15:24:13 <alagalah> But I don't want to mess it up
15:24:28 <alagalah> Any thoughts on changing this meeting to a ghangout so we can share information?
15:25:12 <sarob> it needs to be at least irc
15:25:23 <sarob> for logging on easedrop
15:25:47 <sarob> we could add hangout too if you think it has value
15:26:12 <sarob> share information how?
15:26:35 <alagalah> diagrams, trello etc
15:26:56 <alagalah> I know these things are "real time" and you can follow along if directed but it's easier to see people edit stuff in realtime if they are sharing their screen
15:27:00 <alagalah> Anyway, just a thought.
15:27:06 <alagalah> So I'm working on adding pre-reqs
15:27:08 <alagalah> So far I have:
15:27:22 <alagalah> pre-requisites:
15:27:22 <alagalah> - working knowledge of Linux CLI
15:27:42 <alagalah> - basic networking knowledge (Ethernets, VLAN, IP addressing)
15:28:06 <alagalah> - mysql ?????
15:28:11 <alagalah> That's a stretch
15:28:18 <sarob> yeah
15:28:40 <alagalah> Virtualisation concepts ?
15:29:07 <alagalah> Can you see my edits?
15:29:57 <sarob> its off the page
15:30:13 <alagalah> I know that, I didn't want to mess up your formatting
15:30:19 <alagalah> But I wanted to capture it
15:30:48 <sarob> no formatting here
15:31:03 <sarob> dig in my son
15:33:16 <alagalah> Ok what else should go in there?
15:34:11 <alagalah> The basic linux sysadmin is very subjective
15:35:21 <sarob> yeah, i think ability to use vi, ssh,
15:35:49 <sarob> prob the req
15:36:05 <alagalah> sudo apt-get :)
15:36:31 <alagalah> Do we need to call out what OS it is? Ubuntu I imagine is the leading candidate
15:36:40 <sarob> i think we need to give them those
15:36:43 <alagalah> Seems to have the highest distribution from the survey
15:37:06 <sarob> they will be running everything in virtualbox
15:37:16 <sarob> so ubuntu is the os
15:37:25 <alagalah> Right.
15:37:34 <sarob> laptop that can run virtualbox
15:37:58 <alagalah> Or just say Virtual box?
15:38:16 <alagalah> I changed it
15:38:29 <alagalah> Normally I just tell people to bring their type2 hypervisor
15:38:44 <alagalah> When doing labs and such but ... if we are doing virtual box that simplifies it, consistent
15:38:45 <sarob> we should have ubuntu on a stick
15:39:09 <sarob> as well to minimize overloading the remotes
15:39:23 <alagalah> Ok that would be instructor resources required... right?
15:39:32 <sarob> hmm, sure
15:40:23 <alagalah> Hack away son, going AFK, saying good bye to daughter
15:40:30 <alagalah> back in 5
15:40:35 <sarob> righto
15:45:19 <alagalah> back
15:45:32 <alagalah> So we need a gdraw -> trello compiler
15:49:19 <sarob> hmm, ill get right on that
15:49:42 <alagalah> made change to pre-req
15:49:45 <sarob> i have a hard stop at 8
15:49:46 <alagalah> for op guide
15:49:48 <alagalah> Same here
15:49:54 <alagalah> in fact I'm doing double duty
15:49:59 <alagalah> OTP working on a report for a client :D
15:50:53 <sarob> double pay, awesome
15:51:48 <sarob> if you can double check the ideas, tweak at will
15:52:31 <sarob> i also need to finalize which online service we use for quizzes and tests
15:52:52 <alagalah> surveymonkey is simplest I think
15:53:32 <sarob> for quiz?
15:53:37 <alagalah> yeah
15:53:39 <alagalah> Why not?
15:54:01 <sarob> hmm, i didnt think of that
15:54:28 <alagalah> You could make it faux timed by making the test at the end of the class?
15:54:51 <alagalah> Limit internet access to survey monkey? stop googlefu ? Don't know
15:55:07 <sarob> well lets bang it around
15:55:18 <alagalah> Action item for discussion
15:55:27 <alagalah> It needs to be documented... you archiving this chat?
15:55:34 <sarob> moodle.org is another
15:55:45 <alagalah> Never heard of it, I'll check it out
15:56:34 <alagalah> Ok, I have to split and jump on a call
15:56:38 <alagalah> This is great, btw, Sean
15:56:39 <sarob> later
15:56:43 <sarob> :)
15:56:49 <sarob> #endmeeting