17:01:41 #startmeeting training-guides 17:01:41 Meeting started Mon Dec 1 17:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:01:45 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:01:54 Hello 17:01:59 hi 17:02:01 Hello 17:02:06 hi 17:02:45 #bp for kilo 17:02:52 Duh 17:03:05 #topic bp for kilo 17:03:08 I thought we were decided on specs ;) 17:03:53 my spec/bp is up. I don't see it happening for Kilo. 17:04:05 I have a bunch of specs coming up 17:04:14 Cool 17:04:53 Whatca think of the overall plan I put out there 17:05:18 sarob: hey, what's with the agenda? 17:05:39 I forgot to update it 17:05:46 * sarob blush 17:06:17 sarob: re: overall plan, I commented on the parts that I know about (on the ML). 17:06:56 Rluethi right 17:07:18 Rluethi haven't had a chance to respond yet 17:07:27 sarob: I am still not sure if architects in cloud computing code for TDD based model 17:07:38 but the overall plan seems good 17:07:44 Dbite okay cool 17:08:09 or am I right about the architects? 17:08:14 hi guys 17:08:15 *right or wrong 17:08:19 matjazp: hellp 17:08:21 *hello 17:08:22 I want to communicate the kilo plan 17:08:40 dbite: you're feeling better? 17:08:45 So I'm good with being wrong 17:08:58 matjazp: nope, but could not get sleep 17:09:01 As long as someone else corrects me 17:09:27 And can put out there what we should be doing 17:09:45 Matjazp hey 17:10:46 sarob: I was thinking in lines of openstack architect book 17:11:01 as point of reference 17:11:07 Dbite right 17:12:53 So rluethi has a spec 17:13:29 as noted during last week's meeting. 17:13:52 Dbite on arch guide I'm good with you coming up with one 17:14:01 Diff than what I put out 17:14:25 sarob: I am more preoccupied with koans and labs section also the release is a bit time consuming 17:15:03 Okay, then we should have a few spec to describe that work with this cycle 17:15:45 Rluethi I repeated your spec in the ml so the plan would make sense 17:16:05 sarob: most lab work does not need a spec. it's only updating to keep up with Juno/Kilo. 17:16:53 Well maybe we should start writing specs or bugs for work tbd 17:17:23 I'd like to be able to show to your mgr or mine 17:17:41 What our work plan is for the next six months 17:18:09 Even better what new people could work with you on 17:18:10 sarob: hmm.. for managers it would be better to put an executive summary on the wiki 17:18:15 sarob: I think things will get clearer as we get feedback from the pilot. 17:18:43 Pilot? 17:19:01 Rluethi meaning training in sfbay user group? 17:19:02 sarob: the thing in the user group. 17:19:16 Rluethi true 17:19:28 sarob: we are eagerly awaiting your first set of slides. 17:19:43 sarob: also, feedback on training cluster. 17:20:00 Yup 17:20:21 This thurs is coming up fast 17:20:52 sarob: we need to clean up the XML content before 17:20:52 I'll have a feedback of the training cluster by the end of this week 17:21:02 Matjazp cool 17:21:04 matjazp: excellent. 17:21:16 rluethi: I hope everyting works ;) 17:21:28 matjazp, sarob: if you downloaded the zip file before the last fix, make sure to get the new version. 17:21:45 Rluethi roger that 17:21:56 Roger roger 17:22:09 if you built the Windows batch scripts locally, they're fine. but the one built on the build host were broken. 17:22:25 rluethi: np, I'll just delete all generated files and/or clone again from the start 17:23:26 So I'm going to push these specs today to join rluethi spec 17:23:49 Like dbite is saying they are not perfect 17:24:07 But a good start to what needs to get done 17:24:36 I'd like to whittle them down to what we can get done over this cycle 17:24:42 Over this week 17:25:12 So next meet we can discuss the bp and milestone assignment 17:26:02 I'd like see on gerrit new specs and discussion as much as possible 17:26:24 I like being told I'm wrong 17:26:39 As long as you have an alternate solution 17:27:08 I am interested in getting more people involved 17:27:27 Having a plan will help a lot 17:27:41 On launchpad 17:28:05 Wiki is good too, but launchpad is our source of truth 17:28:25 Sound good ? 17:28:51 ok 17:29:04 I'll wait and see. 17:30:18 Anyone else? 17:30:40 Dbite sayali shilla? 17:31:07 Reed or loic are you lurking? 17:31:14 yes 17:31:15 sounds good 17:31:17 I am good with having a plan, and liked the one on the ML 17:31:32 Meganr dbite Thx 17:31:59 Let's move on then 17:32:20 #topic dbite big patch 17:32:43 sarob: Its cleaned and its out 17:33:03 I will be writing a spec in manuals and get training-guides-install-guides shipped for the newer slides 17:33:12 just wanted to report 17:33:17 Cool 17:34:53 #topic any other business 17:35:15 Specs for Labs Section as per https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit - Roger (rluethi), Pranav (dguitarbite), Sayali (sayali) Icehouse release for Training guides - Roger(rluethi), Pranav (dguitatarbite) Delete/Remove XML content - Pranav (dguitarbite) Pilot: experience/feedback/slides 17:35:46 aka "today's agenda" 17:35:52 hi all, sorry im late 17:36:04 well we discussed some parts of it already 17:36:09 Shillasaebi np 17:36:18 but we need to work on the important points there 17:36:23 like the release for Icehouse 17:37:30 dbite: yes, official release (branch stable/icehouse) of the labs would be great 17:37:32 Branching first 17:37:38 ? 17:37:47 sarob: branching is part of the release 17:38:00 sayali, dbite and I worked over the weekend to get the scripts ready for branching. they are done. 17:38:01 we also address your user group training by keeping the XML content in the icehouse branch 17:38:05 Well it is the release 17:38:11 while we can delete and clean up the XML to make way for the slides 17:38:34 are there any blockers from anyone? any concerns or issues that we might have overlooked 17:38:56 None from me 17:39:04 go for it 17:39:16 kool sounds good :) 17:39:38 and sarob we where working on a list of potential specs which is at the end of the etherpad here 17:39:51 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit 17:40:09 I see them down there now 17:40:28 Has that been there since the summit? 17:40:38 Totally didn't see it 17:40:48 sarob: I think that was filtered as per our discussions from the summit 17:40:56 Okay 17:41:30 note that those are proposed BPs. they are _not_ what is going to get done for Kilo. 17:42:02 Rluethi understood 17:42:04 sarob: the major focus will be on the slides as they are most important for this release 17:42:10 Agreed 17:42:25 and I will maintain the installation sections and roger with labs 17:42:37 Let's get the bp published asap 17:42:40 so that we have something usable in a few monhts 17:42:48 sarob: yep, kool! 17:42:57 Specs next 17:43:30 We can figure out how much work we can get done 17:43:36 At our next meet 17:43:58 we might have the Icehouse release out till then if everything goes as planned 17:44:11 After the bp and spec have gotten some feedback 17:45:11 I think getting on a release schedule can be a spec bp as well 17:45:53 sarob: hey, are we looking for excuses to write up spec bps? 17:46:05 I know I'm not. 17:46:31 Rluethi not really, but we should describe work plans in launchpad 17:47:07 Rluethi getting on a release schedule is non trivial work 17:47:31 If I had an intern for three weeks 17:47:44 What would I have them work on? 17:47:50 last time I checked the docs team had 1 or 2 specs. 17:48:03 we don't need specs for obvious stuff. 17:48:26 I agree with roger, its more like a milestone and a branch 17:48:37 We need bugs or specs to describe non trivial work 17:48:52 agreed. 17:49:01 If branching is trivial already then cool 17:49:31 sarob: I am not able to see how we track the spec in other projects which are used for release management 17:49:37 I can count atleast 2-3 of them 17:49:46 and also if other projects follow that method 17:50:00 Dbite not sure I understand? 17:50:15 the release is done more from the other infra repositories 17:50:25 and done by the infra guys as far as I remember 17:50:50 Ah okay 17:51:21 I think we branch when we are ready 17:51:46 But coordinate in the future with docs and the rest 17:51:48 sarob: I dont think its that organic at this point of time in OpenStack 17:52:03 Dbite ? 17:52:13 Organic is a fancy word 17:52:14 I am not sure if we are even allowed to create a branch like that 17:52:23 Dbite ah 17:52:26 I am sleepy :D 17:53:21 sarob: andreas was very helpful and explain how to release 17:53:40 Dbite I'd like to coordinate with docs 17:53:46 its not that simple, we need to ask the infra guys for that 17:53:49 sarob: yes 17:54:18 Dbite I'm used to doing it manually so 17:54:33 sarob: coordinate what, exactly? we are behind more than one release. 17:54:34 ahh, may be I got something wrong then 17:54:49 rluethi: are we not just rolling release? 17:54:52 Dbite let's ask andreas how he and the rest of the docs team 17:55:03 Wants to proceed 17:55:05 yeah lets get some input from them 17:55:21 I think that's pretty much what dbite already did. 17:55:47 Docs team has it documented... maybe we should just adopt this.. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release 17:56:21 matjazp: +1 17:56:39 yeah that makes sense 17:56:50 matjazp: +1 17:57:01 do we need a vote? 17:57:27 matjazp: I am not sure we have that liberty to decide how to release 17:57:40 matjazp: vote on what? 17:57:40 So we want to branch just a subdirectory? 17:57:45 why not? we have a separate repo 17:57:59 I think the whole repo needs to be ready 17:58:41 We are out of time 17:58:59 well done. 17:59:18 see you guys next week. or on the ML, or the docs channel. 17:59:23 Let's continue on docs channel 17:59:27 bye all 17:59:38 #endmeeting