17:00:44 #startmeeting training-guides 17:00:45 Meeting started Mon Oct 13 17:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:49 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:00:56 hello all 17:00:57 hello 17:00:59 hi 17:01:00 hey 17:02:22 so lets follow up on items from last week 17:02:53 here is the doodle poll for kilo design time #link http://doodle.com/4hp7a89e3geykmhy 17:03:06 i will send it over the ML as well 17:03:54 any questions about us meeting over the kilo summit? 17:04:18 #topic actions from last meeting 17:05:01 okay 17:05:07 Hello 17:05:12 hi sayali 17:05:15 hi there 17:05:20 hey 17:05:26 we are going over actions from last week 17:05:29 check the logs for doodle link 17:06:01 here is the docs program kilo summit etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit 17:06:38 i dumped some training guides topic ideas into there for our design meet 17:06:50 i ask that you all do the same 17:07:00 so we have a solid agenda for the summit 17:07:06 okay 17:07:16 ok 17:07:22 any questions about this? 17:08:41 btw, my topic ideas are not the agenda per say 17:08:52 i want the group to set the agenda 17:08:59 i just got it started 17:09:27 #action team updates kilo summit agenda with their topics #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit 17:10:06 #action team updates the kilo summit doodle poll with their preferred time to meet #link http://doodle.com/4hp7a89e3geykmhy 17:10:39 okay moving on 17:10:50 #topic docs updates 17:11:11 what up d? 17:11:30 no progress on docs last week 17:11:53 two things remain, update the basic install guides for Icehouse some fine tuning needed 17:12:21 and fix XML schema to make it upto mark with docs 17:13:54 should we list these as critical bugs to prioritize? 17:14:09 yes that is a good way to start with it 17:14:35 #action dbite address pending work on docs sub-team by logging bugs 17:14:47 cool 17:15:11 work that needs to get done asap marked as critical 17:15:22 yes 17:15:25 anything else? 17:15:31 no, Im done 17:15:35 coolo 17:15:45 #topic infra updates 17:15:49 well... looking at bug list... we need to address it more fequently.. 17:16:45 i am going to start keeping up on the schedule, wiki, and bug tracking better 17:16:57 infra is moving a bit faster now 17:16:57 i have been lax 17:18:01 first of all, we are almost ready to publish first of our custom jenkins jobs to build HTML and PDF presentations 17:18:18 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/ 17:18:49 this will make it easier for infra to publish more jobs eventually 17:18:50 ill will run again this morning 17:18:52 dbite: what was with wkhtml2pdf and weasyprint? 17:19:26 the dependencies with wkhtml2pdf were a bit Icky so I found out a better solution 17:19:36 which was weasyprint with no dependencies apart from python 17:19:44 packages 17:20:03 wkhtml2pdf also had some issues with the way it was using CSS for generating the PDF files 17:20:30 and was having broken dependencies like QT4 which are not expected on a server while building it 17:20:39 dbite: ok.. what's the status for this patch? Infra team is ok with it? 17:21:38 the patch is ready 17:21:52 we are waiting for global requirements to accept the patch 17:22:07 after which we will push remaining scripts in training guides 17:22:24 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127472/ 17:22:42 we need to update global requirements before we can merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126877/ 17:23:09 which is in turn required to automatically build this script using tox https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/ 17:23:32 want me to answer doug's question? 17:23:47 we can ask reed to weigh in 17:24:13 I did not get doug's question 17:24:35 he is asking why we are not using Sphinx 17:24:57 ahh yes 17:25:08 we need to ask Reed to answer this 17:26:02 reed you onlilne? 17:26:27 huurmph 17:26:51 #action dbite, sarob get reed to comment on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127472/ 17:26:51 I added him to the review so that he may notice this 17:27:26 i just added him a sec ago 17:27:28 reed seems to be offline for now 17:27:34 yeah 17:28:07 what else 17:28:15 you got cooking? 17:28:26 sarob: dbite: I think landslide is optimized for presentations, Sphinx is not? 17:28:44 matjazp_: It makes me happy to think this way :) 17:28:59 matjazp_: I think so too, but it's worth finding out 17:29:07 matjazp_ that is my understanding from reed 17:29:40 So this is the reason we use landslide and weasyprint :) 17:29:57 to generate presentations from sphinx needs similar tools like landslide which have more dependencies in turn! 17:31:00 if it is nothing more than better quality output, i will back up that argument 17:31:53 moving on? 17:31:58 yes 17:31:58 yes, me too... Presentations need to be of high quality (more than docs), or trainers won't use them 17:32:09 yup 17:32:15 #topic testing update 17:32:23 slow progress 17:32:36 compute node Quizz is more or less done 17:32:48 moving to network node 17:33:42 I have few questions in my txt files, need to submit as patches for network node quiz 17:33:51 cool 17:34:11 any thoughts on moodle or something else to add testing automation 17:34:24 sarob: I hope to discuss this at the summit 17:34:57 okay good 17:35:10 I'll also ping M. Rice from LPI 17:35:26 ideas on how to put the assessment test together? 17:35:52 LPI input would be good 17:36:02 what is LPI and who is M. Rice? 17:36:02 hmmm.. I would like to have hands on test, but this is way harder than "just" normal test 17:36:04 as least as reference info 17:36:23 for the associate training, hands on may be too much 17:36:43 sarob: it could be simplified 17:36:59 usually there is a problem with resources and time limits 17:37:16 it could be too much for us to support 17:37:19 yeah 17:37:30 dbite: Linuz Profesional Institute, they make Linux certifications 17:38:02 ok 17:38:04 Rice is one of the guys at LPI that reached out to us about 4 months ago 17:38:07 member? 17:39:01 one idea is just to have a larger pool of quastions and the assesment could be a random x quastions form that pool 17:39:08 LPI works with a few different orgs on setting up and support trainers and testing certs 17:39:08 questions 17:39:08 ok 17:39:17 yes I recollect 17:39:31 matjazp_ i like that 17:39:59 matjazp_ perhaps when automated quiz and test could pull from the same poll 17:40:01 pool 17:40:02 sarob: this means no hands on, unfortunately 17:40:45 matjazp_ could still have a separate test section that is hands on 17:41:01 matjazp_ that results get entered manually 17:41:53 matjazp_ but while we are still getting started, id like to punt on the extra complexity 17:42:25 matjazp_ can always come back to the test methods and options later 17:42:37 sarob: agree.. so maybe it is easier to start with a getting a larger pool of "simple" questions 17:42:52 matjazp_ i like that 17:43:19 moving on? 17:43:25 yes 17:43:53 matjazp_ can you get the remaining quizzes done by the summit? 17:44:14 for associate quide? yes, I hope so 17:44:25 matjazp_ assign network and object storage quiz as critical bugs to yourself? 17:44:38 ok 17:45:06 #action matjazp assign network and object storage quizzes as critical bugs 17:45:10 megan is helping me with object storage quiz... I have to ping her for the progress 17:45:27 or assign to meganr as well 17:45:30 up to you 17:45:40 #topic audio visual update 17:46:32 So I have been testing a few tools for on screen recording on linux and windows 17:48:08 I have created a sample video using an open source tool mydesktoprecorder it came out quite good. 17:48:19 nice 17:48:26 I will have a proper one ready by tomorrow so that the team can review it 17:48:43 great news 17:48:55 and then we could ask the user group to start using these tools 17:49:28 so no extra camera or anything is required if the sound quality and video quality is good enough and it will be easy to use as well. 17:49:54 low tech is good 17:50:18 anything else? 17:50:24 sarob: I would suggest getting a proper recording mic 17:50:28 with a pop filter 17:50:32 nope thats all from my side 17:50:39 atleast for the sake of keeping the audio quality good 17:50:56 #action sayali will share AV first works with team 17:51:27 dbite lets see/hear how the first version of this sounds 17:51:53 dbite if we can get away with not needing it, much more the better 17:52:10 ya that would be better because we want the user groups all over to use it 17:52:25 #topic any other business 17:53:08 im going to work on the associate training through user groups plan this week some more 17:53:47 i think we will need another meeting just for logistics 17:54:20 this team will not need to attend unless you plan on being a trainer 17:54:50 meeting will be in person? Hangout? IRC? 17:54:51 i have a few likely suspects as trainers 17:55:10 ok, sounds good 17:55:22 matjazp_ id prefer irc, but this is a different type of person(s) 17:55:41 irc experience not as likely 17:56:02 matjazp_ ill see if the trainer team goes for it 17:56:28 sarob: we still need presentations for the associate guide 17:56:37 like we have for Upstream training 17:56:38 true that 17:56:57 There is a demand for this stuff 17:57:06 which stuff? 17:57:17 "ppt"s 17:57:32 matjazp_ sure 17:57:46 matjazp_ everyone loves slideware 17:57:51 ;) 17:58:17 making slides will help us with fine tuning the material 17:58:28 almost last call 17:58:42 ...and we'll get more feedback on what works and what we need to improve 17:58:52 #action sarob report on the trainer team setup progress at next week's meeting 17:59:04 matjazp_ yup 17:59:27 times up everyone 17:59:33 until next week 17:59:35 cheers 17:59:49 cheers! 17:59:49 bye bye 18:00:04 bye 18:00:09 #endmeeting