17:02:08 #startmeeting training-guides 17:02:09 Meeting started Mon Sep 29 17:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:02:12 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:02:18 #topic audio-visual 17:02:54 sayali: go on, you are the team lead 17:03:16 reed: can we discuss it here, sorry for the inconvenience 17:03:35 sure 17:03:47 So I was planning on recording our first videos for the AV content since ill be going to a university for an OpenStack event 17:04:07 the only concern from my side for a private video channel is that its content will be privately owned 17:04:15 otherwise I dont mind using private channel 17:04:20 So I was thinking since I will be giving a talk on devstack and a demo of the osbash it would be good to record it 17:05:00 and we can have a test patch too for new recordings 17:05:06 reed: good news, you can create another channel with the given user id in google 17:05:23 dbite, I understand the concern of having an individual owning a shared resource but I don't see an easy way out because of the way YouTube manages identities 17:05:41 I see, but for me I can create another channel 17:05:48 which ialso creates another G+ account for me 17:06:30 what about vimeo? 17:06:38 a shared account maybe? 17:06:53 who will fund that? 17:07:01 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgOEmbfu5XVW4g_HP-0URGQ?guided_help_flow=3&ytsession=4mvBhRcHZjaT9YlEBCC8bfkIt6GQk2R-P7Q1keJOuLIjHNHSKGob26V_5mgQQ05xCR2FXS-nimEDgH7XD308qPp4fKGvjreuuKuh5YIln7fLxstqHWapQNCeDJmxuwpBEGaYiuqJ6iuJdiJLujg5DagOv21TGzKayZhFs2UV9aDl5Ba-HCc3SuzjQlMII8_7XR9B3oMmUZJ8LmdwwivhU1JMd88L4iPorSi9Fq0YfdVuiYcsb32bcoiW5LWVlXzvLo1R11z6a_8_xIrx-ODJKSam0V1yOM5-c8A-oi2-7HjzfP2FRVeDRm7qijKk-QOypurguCFvIhni2GnoADxNxQ 17:08:26 i thought vimeo had free basic membership as well 17:08:53 dbite, cool 17:10:24 what do you think? 17:10:29 what should be the solution for this 17:11:03 I think if we can change the ownership after a while it would be good 17:12:23 It may be hard to change ownership with any of these services. What are the assets you really want to transfer? Videos? Playlist? Playlist name? 17:12:39 the entire channel 17:12:47 rluethi: it is easy and possible to transfer the ownership 17:12:52 under the official openstack foundation 17:13:04 As of now acess to all of us would be good 17:13:14 dbite: if you say so. that's good then, problem solved!? 17:14:01 yes, for now I will own the channel 17:14:08 I will try to share the ownership with the team 17:14:27 so that I dont feel like being a sell out :( 17:15:03 anyway, they can change their terms anytime. we should design the process to be robust no matter than the hosting service or any of our contributors does. 17:15:28 yes 17:15:36 moving on from this topic 17:15:42 cool 17:15:55 anyone has any questions? 17:16:05 ShillaSaebi: Also you had some videos too right? 17:16:31 comcast training videos you had mentioned 17:16:35 looking good, dbite 17:17:54 yeah i have some internal ones we use 17:17:59 i can show them to you 17:18:09 sure, that would be good 17:18:13 ok 17:18:44 also a short sumary of the content covered in them would be useful to screen them 17:18:50 summary* 17:19:33 ok 17:20:10 #info Audio Visual channel for now is located here https://www.youtube.com/user/trainingguides 17:20:23 anything else for AV? 17:21:05 #action ShillaSaebi will send comcast internal video 17:21:31 yup 17:21:47 moving on then 17:21:54 #info Will be recording devstacka nd osbash videos at OpenStack event in Amity university. 17:22:02 #topic infra 17:22:15 infra team, hows it going? 17:22:36 dbite: talking to yourself? :) 17:22:45 you are the lead too! 17:23:05 Well, I would like to hear how osbash testing has been going for core reviewers. 17:23:19 from my side, it works on my three machines 17:23:22 perfect it works 17:23:44 for 4 GB i5, 8GB i5 and i7 16 GB machines 17:23:45 for me 17:24:29 so I guess we are ready to push it outside our group!? 17:24:45 yes from my side 17:25:02 apparently there is nobody else :) 17:25:11 works for me too :) 17:25:20 there are a few weird use cases which we did not consider 17:25:20 sayali: good to hear 17:25:26 I guess we should discuss it later after the meeting 17:25:37 i will be running it at the university too as a demo 17:25:42 dbite: yes, I am aware of some limitations, too 17:26:06 I have a proof of concept single node script. 17:26:09 more than limitations its like we did not consider some scenarios 17:26:15 clea 17:26:21 not sure if it saves much and is worth it, though. 17:26:25 clearly we need to add more usecases 17:26:28 and it's rather experimental. 17:26:34 but it does seem to work. 17:26:43 ok 17:26:47 feel free to push it 17:27:18 anything else to report? 17:27:37 sarob came just back to report about his test results. 17:27:55 no? 17:27:57 rluethi: are you joking or you serious? 17:28:12 ok, moving on then 17:28:16 I don't know. I saw him come back, I'd love to hear what he found. 17:28:36 yeah, let's move on 17:28:39 #topic docs 17:29:23 docs needs updates, I had a meeting with Ajaeger and finally concluded that we need to push the tools to tools folder under the repository 17:29:30 for the initial phase 17:30:22 any questions? 17:30:29 suggestions? 17:30:41 when do you expect the push? 17:30:56 its ready 17:31:03 I will push it in a day or two 17:31:08 k 17:31:13 I need to figure out how to get it triggered 17:31:20 withe the jenkins jobs 17:31:24 and with tox 17:32:54 oh, by the way: I'd like to add some docs for the labs scripts, probably on the wiki. something that can be changed without going through reviews. 17:32:57 any thing else on docs? 17:33:08 rluethi: wiki part sounds great 17:33:21 also I was thinking of providing a short chapter on how to use oslabs 17:33:27 I don't think there is a wiki page for the scripts yet. 17:33:29 since people need to know how to use it! 17:34:03 at least I couldn't find one. So I will just go ahead and create one, if nobody objects. 17:34:09 #action dguitarbite will create oslabs wiki page and add chapter in the docs 17:34:13 ahh, yes no issues 17:34:26 #action rluethi will work on the wiki for labs section 17:34:35 moving on 17:34:56 #topic testing 17:35:04 Matjazp around? 17:35:24 can anyone fill in for him? 17:36:24 ok, lets postpone this for next meeting 17:36:33 #topic anything else 17:37:41 anyone wants to share something 17:38:14 I would like any inputs on whats need to be added or showcased specifically to the osbash related stuff I would be demonstrating 17:38:40 rluethi: glory time! 17:38:45 matjazp: hello 17:38:46 hi guys 17:38:54 matjazp: hey 17:38:58 can you fill in for testing? 17:39:00 #topic testing 17:39:09 sayali: let's talk about this after the meeting. 17:39:10 sorry for beeing so late.. we have a grand opening of our new building... Duty calls 17:39:16 rluethi: sure 17:39:20 matjazp: you are right on time 17:39:26 great 17:39:34 hi matjazp 17:39:41 nothing new to report for Testing 17:39:57 still working on Network node Quiz 17:40:05 ok 17:40:11 hi sayali 17:40:26 #topic general discussion 17:40:47 sayali: can you propose what you are planning to demonstrate during the university presentation? 17:42:15 Well the audience that would be present at the event are students who have little or no idea about OpenStack and cloud in general. Which are the people we are targetting for the training guides 17:42:37 So I was thinking of one demo on devstack for those interested in development 17:43:01 and the other showcasing osbash for them to be able to start playing around with multi node 17:43:29 sayali: I assume you will be using Linux!? 17:43:53 yes I have arch linux on my machine, so it will be on that 17:43:58 with Windows8 theme mod 17:44:08 lol 17:45:28 what would be that main things to be focused on where osbash is concerned? 17:46:28 some of the main points are: 17:46:41 works (or should work) out of the box, no configuration required 17:46:59 multi-platform (Linux, OS X, and Windows) 17:47:09 no dependencies other than VirtualBox 17:47:10 I would not involve Windows for now 17:47:32 because we need linux hosts to generate windows scripts 17:47:40 dbite: agreed. 17:48:16 dbite: OTOH, if you want to try OpenStack and all you have is a Windows system, it's pretty much the option you've got. 17:48:26 yes 17:48:40 but I also can imagine 90% of the students asking her to run it for her 17:48:44 *for them 17:48:55 it would be a nightmare 17:49:15 you only need to run it once. we could even host them somewhere. 17:49:16 rluethi: if you have a Windows system, like Windos 8 or 8.1, you can run Hyper-V and the rest of Hyper-V components in a Linux VM 17:49:51 is hper-V provided for free on Windows? 17:49:52 rluethi: +1 for hosting Win scripts directly 17:49:52 rluethi: using Hyper-V itself as Nova compute node 17:49:56 *hyper-v 17:49:56 alexpilotti: and what's building the cluster? 17:50:01 dbite: yes 17:50:08 ahh, for the home users? 17:50:14 dbite: for everybody 17:50:15 I dont know it as I dont use windows 17:50:20 that sounds great 17:50:55 rluethi: we could make a custom job to run scripts for Win and publishes them when we merge new patch 17:51:11 alexpilotti: our concern on how to run shell scripts on windows 17:51:16 matjazp: sure. 17:51:21 as we need to run them as of now, to generate batch scripts 17:51:42 matjazp: It should go in my pocket of toolsets I am implementing 17:52:14 dbite: yes... in the mean time, we could do it manually 17:52:15 #action dguitarbite add osbash trigger to generate windows scripts on every change to the repository 17:52:19 dbite: you can run bash scripts on Windows, but in general it’s easier to use a Linux VM 17:52:22 matjazp: agreed 17:52:35 alexpolotti: may be using Cygwin 17:52:43 but our job is to keep it simple for our users 17:52:44 dbite: Windows has it’s own scripting language, called Powershell 17:53:11 dbite: msys or cygwin 17:53:18 guys, we are trying to build a solution that is easy to use, not something only Windows power users can install. 17:54:03 rluethi: people using a shell are power users for you? :-) 17:54:07 alexpilotti: powershell is on my wishlist. right now we have batch scripts. 17:54:27 rluethi: I’d go with a Linux VM on Windows ATM 17:54:28 alexpilotti: Windows users who install cygwin are. 17:54:43 alexpilotti: can I also run KVM on windows? 17:54:50 rluethi: Windows users that use git are power users for you? 17:55:01 rluethi: because git comes with msys 17:55:10 rluethi: so you have bash and all the rest 17:55:12 alexpilotti: pretty much, yes. 17:55:33 alexpilotti: we are trying to teach people OpeNstack if we add other stuff on top of it then it will be a nightmare for the students 17:55:44 alexpilotti: maybe my expectations for Windows users are too low. 17:55:57 and yes people who know stuff like Cygwin, Git etc. are prettymuch powerusers of Windows 17:56:02 rluethi: I guess that if someone is installing OpenStack and has no clue about git, there’s quite a long road ahead :-) 17:56:09 rluethi: may be even mine! 17:56:40 rluethi: assumptions are not good 17:56:52 alexpilotti: right. I just want people to be able to try a cluster on their computer without installing and learning other tools. 17:57:14 alexpilotti: we are talking about the people who are just learning the dashboard 17:57:15 alexpilotti: we are _always_ making assumptions. 17:57:22 we cannot expect them to learn or use git and other similar tools 17:57:25 let's just publish the scripts and see the feedback from Win users :) 17:57:29 they just need a one click install solution! 17:57:48 dbite: we’re working on that for WIndows 17:58:16 alexpilotti: I would love to discuss it with you in detail, but it is out of scope for our project 17:58:25 supporting Hyper-V is not in our roadmap 17:58:39 dbite: sure, I’ll keep an eye on it 17:58:40 till Hyper-V open ups its source code 17:58:50 alexpilotti: who is working on that for Windows? is there a project page? 17:59:01 dbite, sounds weird that you want to educate new openstack sysadmins without them knowing git... what sort of students are these? 17:59:06 dbite: well, Hyper-V is offcicially a supported hypervisor in OpenStack 17:59:17 reed: the initial training on the dashboard and CLI tools 17:59:22 they do not need to learn Git 17:59:39 and its not about a book 17:59:42 it is about the labs section 17:59:45 under the training guides 17:59:51 dbite, so they don't need to deploy openstack, it's already running for them? 17:59:56 we want the labs to be build with a single command 18:00:03 time up 18:00:08 reed: yes 18:00:09 lets continue on docs channel 18:00:09 yes bye all 18:00:15 #endmeeting