08:00:43 <anteaya> #startmeeting third-party
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08:00:50 <anteaya> hello
08:01:32 <lennyb_> anteaya: Hi
08:01:43 <anteaya> hey lennyb_
08:01:47 <anteaya> how are you today?
08:02:14 <lennyb_> hard to say yet, it's still morning
08:02:18 <lennyb_> how are you?
08:02:22 <anteaya> good thanks
08:02:32 <anteaya> jet lag made getting up at 3am easy today
08:02:48 <anteaya> did you make any progress updating your wikipage?
08:03:12 <lennyb_> anteaya: yes, I've updated it after our meeting.
08:03:20 <anteaya> wonderful
08:03:23 <anteaya> link?
08:03:58 <lennyb_> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Mellanox_CI
08:04:43 <anteaya> thank you
08:05:04 <anteaya> you understood the salient point, communicating the reuse of the node
08:05:05 <lennyb_> how was Tokia city? I've never been to Japan
08:05:09 <anteaya> thank you
08:05:18 <anteaya> well for me it was overwhelming
08:05:32 <anteaya> but I doubt most people had a similar experience to mine
08:05:37 <anteaya> and I don't eat fish
08:05:37 <lennyb_> anteaya: what do you mean by 'salient point' ?
08:05:50 <anteaya> the important part of our conversation last meeting
08:06:00 <anteaya> the fact the node is being reused
08:06:03 <anteaya> so thank you
08:06:09 <lennyb_> anteaya: I am not sure now
08:06:18 <anteaya> what part are you not sure about?
08:06:44 <anteaya> I was offering you a compliment
08:07:21 <lennyb_> I guess I missed it :).
08:07:35 <anteaya> no worries
08:07:37 <anteaya> :)
08:07:49 <anteaya> so japanese food has a lot of fish in it
08:07:53 <anteaya> and fish broth
08:08:01 <anteaya> so I ate Indian food all week
08:08:03 <anteaya> :)
08:08:11 <anteaya> but it is really really lovely
08:08:18 <lennyb_> :) it's in the sea, they have to eat sea food :)
08:08:20 <anteaya> very calm
08:08:25 <anteaya> exactly
08:08:36 <anteaya> makes perfect sense
08:09:11 <anteaya> tokyo has one of the lowest crime rates in the world I am told
08:09:25 <anteaya> I felt totally safe walking around by myself anywhere in the city
08:09:29 <anteaya> it was marvelous
08:09:34 <lennyb_> I am sorry I've missed this summit.
08:09:44 <anteaya> me too
08:09:50 <anteaya> it would have been nice to see you
08:10:02 <anteaya> do you think you might be able to make it to Austin in the spring?
08:10:17 <lennyb_> you too....maybe next summit.
08:10:22 <anteaya> sorry, Austin in April
08:10:38 <anteaya> hopefully you can come to Texas
08:11:36 <lennyb_> btw, I have nothing, except Tokio that I've missed, to discuss  today, and I guess it's a late night at your place
08:12:03 <anteaya> it is okay I am up
08:12:20 <anteaya> had to have something to eat to satisfy the jet lag
08:12:34 <anteaya> been awake for about 2 hours before the meeting
08:14:12 * lennyb_ looking for link
08:15:48 <lennyb_> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1484588
08:15:48 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1484588 in Glance "glance startup gives ERROR: Could not bind to 0.0.0.0:9292 after trying for 30 seconds on stable-kilo after attempting service restart" [Undecided,Confirmed]
08:16:54 <anteaya> lennyb_: have you hit this bug?
08:16:56 <lennyb_> anteaya: .... recalled that there was somthing I wanted to ask. There is a glance issue that we see quite often, but cant reproduce it
08:17:06 <anteaya> interesting
08:17:13 <anteaya> what is happening when you see it?
08:17:54 <lennyb_> stack fails, but if I run this command manually, it passes.
08:18:33 <lennyb_> looks like glance needs more time for starting
08:18:47 <anteaya> interesting
08:18:53 <anteaya> hmmmmm
08:19:16 <anteaya> flaper87: are you awake yet?
08:19:51 <anteaya> flaper87: lennyb_ is seeing a glance bug, I was wondering if perhaps you might be awake and be able to share some input
08:20:41 <lennyb_> it's might be related to the fact that we are reusing the node, so probably some of the processes sometimes not clearly exit even after ./clean.sh
08:21:21 <anteaya> that is possilble yes
08:21:37 <lennyb_> #link http://10.209.32.40:8080/job/Neutron-ML2-Sriov/3727/console
08:22:25 <lennyb_> #paste http://paste.openstack.org/show/477833/
08:22:57 <anteaya> I can't seem to access those logs
08:23:02 <lennyb_> and something similar that started to happen few days ago and most likely related to this as well. I had no time to debug it yet
08:23:12 <anteaya> they aren't loading for me
08:23:56 <anteaya> the paste appears to be giving me an error that is different than the glance error
08:24:01 <lennyb_> #link http://144.76.193.39/ci-artifacts/223226/8/Neutron-ML2-Sriov/logs/stack.sh.log.gz
08:24:07 <lennyb_> sorry, wrong jenkins
08:24:48 <anteaya> ah okay now I can see those logs
08:24:55 <anteaya> what should I be looking for in the logs?
08:25:07 <lennyb_> error in the end of file
08:25:23 <anteaya> Could not determine a suitable URL for the plugin
08:25:26 <anteaya> that one?
08:25:52 <lennyb_> yeap
08:26:06 * lennyb_ looking for glance log
08:26:30 <anteaya> okay so are you saying the Could not determine a suitable URL for the plugin error is related to the glance error?
08:26:43 <anteaya> or are they two seperate errors?
08:27:14 <lennyb_> anteaya: sorry. they are 2 separate errors.
08:27:20 <lennyb_> #link http://144.76.193.39/ci-artifacts/239721/1/Neutron-ML2-MLNX/console.html.gz
08:27:25 <lennyb_> glance issue
08:27:26 <anteaya> ah okay
08:28:01 <lennyb_> #pASTE
08:28:07 <lennyb_> #paste http://paste.openstack.org/show/477834/
08:29:25 <anteaya> you say you see this error but can't reproduce it
08:29:35 <anteaya> the glance error
08:30:33 <lennyb_> yes, it's not reproducible easily, but it happen quite a lot. I have some time now, so I will try to debug/reproduce it
08:30:56 <anteaya> okay but it happens when you reinstall devstack?
08:31:13 <anteaya> do you remove devstack when you finish and reclone it?
08:31:49 <lennyb_> yes, but not always. yes I run ./clean.sh; sudo rm -rf /opt/stack; and even kill all python procs after it
08:31:58 <anteaya> okay
08:32:17 <anteaya> devstack was never meant to be brought up and down, it was meant to be used once and destroyed
08:32:45 <anteaya> actually not being able to restart devstack is a feature since it prevents folks from using devstack in deployment
08:33:00 <anteaya> can you remove devstack at the end of every test run and reclone it?
08:33:59 <lennyb_> yes, I am removing and reclone it, by the way from what I saw, reclone only removes *.pyo, *.pyc files
08:34:55 <anteaya> tell me again why you need to reuse the node
08:35:04 <anteaya> rather than create a new node for each test
08:35:34 <lennyb_> a HW configuration and OS installation is something that takes  time and efford
08:36:11 <anteaya> okay how much time?
08:36:40 <lennyb_> I guess with a proper scripts it will take 30min
08:37:38 <anteaya> that doesn't seem like too much time to me
08:37:47 <anteaya> is there some other part I don't understand?
08:40:00 <lennyb_> our tests take from 30-50mins, and we are triggered by neutron, nova, tempest, cinder and internal developments, so adding additional 30mins... I need to make some calculations again
08:40:27 <anteaya> okay
08:40:37 <anteaya> well I appreciate you talking to me about this
08:40:50 <anteaya> but you are using devstack in a way it was never designed to be used in
08:41:04 <anteaya> so that may be the source of the issue
08:41:18 <anteaya> I want to help you
08:41:37 <anteaya> to me using devstack the way it was meant to be used seems like the best direction
08:41:42 <lennyb_> thanks, btw, I am hitting more bugs this way :)
08:41:46 <anteaya> yeah
08:42:05 <anteaya> fixing your own bugs is wonderful
08:42:32 <anteaya> hitting devstack bugs that may not be fixed because devstack isnt' meant to be used like this seems like a waste of your time
08:42:52 <lennyb_> actually I was talking about glance:). ok I will try to debug this issue and update you if/when I will find smthing
08:42:58 <anteaya> sure
08:43:18 <anteaya> and yes the glance bug might be due to how you are reusing devstack
08:43:27 <anteaya> and if so, it may not be fixed
08:43:33 <lennyb_> i see
08:43:47 <anteaya> just wanted to share that with you as a possiblity
08:44:05 <anteaya> I don't know, but before you but a lot of time into it
08:44:20 <anteaya> when folks find bugs restarting devstack we tell them not to
08:44:27 <anteaya> but to use a fresh devstack
08:45:18 <flaper87> anteaya: here now, reading the backlog.
08:45:19 <lennyb_> ok, but as I said I am not restarting devstack. I clean and reinstall it each time. But I see your point. Thanks you.
08:45:25 <anteaya> flaper87: thank you
08:46:38 <lennyb_> anteaya: irc question, if I may, what tools are you using to be notified when you are offline or not not here?
08:47:12 <anteaya> ah I use weechat in a vm
08:47:37 <anteaya> and ssh into it, so weechat is connected regardless of whether my laptop is powered on or off
08:47:38 <lennyb_> thanks, I will check it
08:47:48 <anteaya> and when I am offline I recieve no notifications
08:48:10 <anteaya> and when I am online and someone uses my nick the channel name and buffer number are highlighted
08:48:30 <anteaya> some people use their phone to recieve notifications from irc, I don't do that
08:48:50 <lennyb_> phone seems like a nice idea, I will check it as well
08:49:02 <anteaya> sure it depends on how you like to interact
08:49:10 <anteaya> when I am offline I need my private time
08:49:11 <bkero> I can't count the amount of times I have done that, then had to turn it off again in a few days. :)
08:49:28 <anteaya> bkero: turn what off, the phone notifications?
08:50:17 <bkero> yeah
08:50:21 <lennyb_> I do want to know when someone uses my name, regardless if I am on/off line or in front of the channel
08:50:34 <bkero> anteaya: I get too many pings :)
08:50:39 <anteaya> lennyb_: then that is an option open to you
08:50:50 <anteaya> bkero: it is what happens when you are popular
08:50:50 <bkero> It was doing about 200+ notifications per day
08:51:01 <bkero> and I could definitely tell when Google's cloud messaging would have a delay (often).
08:51:03 <anteaya> bkero: wow, do you fix bugs or something
08:51:22 <bkero> anteaya: Haha, don't ask me to fix your bugs. :P
08:52:00 <lennyb_> bkero: any android app recommendations ?
08:52:17 <anteaya> flaper87: any feedback from backscroll?
08:52:41 <lennyb_> bkero: I promise not to ping you often :)
08:53:36 <flaper87> anteaya: not yet, sorry! But I will provide it :) lennyb_ feel free to ping me for more feedback
08:53:45 <flaper87> I see Stuart has commented on the bug already
08:53:52 <flaper87> I'll read in more detail
08:53:54 <anteaya> flaper87: well do you feel it is a glance bug?
08:54:06 <bkero> lennyb_: NotifyMyAndroid
08:54:16 <bkero> There are plugins to use it from weechat, irssi, and likely znc.
08:54:23 <flaper87> anteaya: I don't think it is
08:54:33 <anteaya> flaper87: okay that helps, thank you
08:54:48 <flaper87> np, I'll dig more into this
08:54:51 <anteaya> lennyb_: so check back on that bug report and with flaper87
08:54:54 <anteaya> flaper87: thank you
08:55:26 <lennyb_> flaper87,anteaya,breko: thanks
08:55:43 <anteaya> lennyb_: thanks for mentioning what you are experiencing
08:55:57 <anteaya> we have 5 more mintues left
08:56:04 <anteaya> anything more to say here?
08:57:06 <anteaya> okay I will wrap up
08:57:16 <anteaya> thanks all for your kind attendance and participation
08:57:21 <anteaya> see you next week
08:57:24 <anteaya> #endmeeting