14:01:03 #startmeeting telcowg 14:01:04 Meeting started Wed Apr 13 14:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:07 The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' 14:01:09 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda 14:01:14 #topic roll call 14:01:16 \o> 14:02:01 * sgordon nudges cloudon1 14:03:51 well then, this should be quick and painless 14:04:04 for the benefit of the tape 14:04:07 #topic next steps 14:04:10 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091356.html 14:04:42 #info Product Working group now has two meeting times, Mondays at 2100 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt and Tuesdays at 0200 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt 14:04:59 #info telco working group use case document have successfully been transitioned to openstack-user-stories 14:05:42 #info telco working group-specific meetings will be cancelled from here on out, recommending that instead folks advocate for the relevant use cases in the context of the product working group 14:05:48 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18sE7S-frAFlSyOjzMLQoFAOQ2yylaLGJehJHyOEAqr4/edit 14:06:01 #info spreadsheet lists current priority ranking for product working group 14:06:11 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories 14:06:26 #action sgordon to send notice to list, make changes to irc-meetings repo 14:06:56 #topic open discussion 14:07:19 oops, apologies, missed the start 14:07:53 was going to ask mainly process questions about the ProductWG 14:08:15 cloudon1, \o/ 14:08:16 ok 14:08:34 so i think the confusion was their process with regards to the move from draft->proposed (as they are getting rid of draft) 14:08:42 was that we proposed the moves, they merged them 14:08:53 then we were supposed to make a minor change to trigger a new review 14:09:10 i think we mostly did this, with the exception of... 14:09:14 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290347/ 14:10:34 So it's sitting in merged but with the wrong owner - I just need to touch it? 14:10:59 cloudon1, yup 14:11:32 And what about the high scale telco media one, where there's https://review.openstack.org/290992 in merged and https://review.openstack.org/290991 in open? 14:12:32 correct 14:12:42 290991 is for the actual discussion 14:12:46 iirc 14:12:50 Also complex instance placement is in both - https://review.openstack.org/299337 and https://review.openstack.org/290459 14:13:25 yes but only one of those is open 14:13:41 Thought after discussion it went to merged? 14:15:30 yes 14:15:35 but the discussion happens on an open review 14:15:44 which there is one of 14:16:02 the change of those two that is merged just changed the directory and was rubber stamped 14:16:29 i would personally prefer that the discussion happened then too but i believe they wanted to clean up the old directory structure sooner rather than having it linger 14:17:12 Sorry, probably being thick. So https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290347/ is in merged but I need to touch it to prompt dicussion - will that move it from merged to open? 14:18:40 no it will make a new change 14:18:42 which will be openm 14:18:44 -m 14:18:49 once a change is merged, it is merged 14:18:58 to revert it would in effect itself be to create a new change 14:19:19 no discussion is going to happen on the merged change 14:19:23 OK, think I understand. Kinda :) 14:19:46 as you have already discovered the filtering also tends to automatically stick to status:open unless you ask it to go looking for status:merged etc 14:20:08 Though I don't get the reference to only one of https://review.openstack.org/290992 and https://review.openstack.org/290991 being open - can you explain what you meant by that? 14:22:27 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290992/ Remove High Scale Telco Media Apps From, Draft Status: Merged 14:22:27 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290991/ -> High Scale Media Telco Apps User Story, Status: open 14:22:37 only 290991 is open 14:22:49 ergo, that is where the discussion will occur 14:25:55 Sorry, I know this must be frustrating for you. Is there any link to a good explanation of this? I've been looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories but it just talks about a flow from proposed (which I infer is status:open) to merged and I can't figure out why it;s ok there should be separate open and merged versions - unless that's just an aberration resulting from the whole "get rid 14:29:17 cloudon1, are you on the product-wg mailing list? 14:29:47 cloudon1, the reason is that this is a point in time quirk because there used to be a "draft" area 14:29:49 Good qn. Is it separate from the main openstack-dev one? 14:29:51 cloudon1, now there is not 14:30:06 #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg 14:30:27 cloudon1, so in future people will just submit stuff against proposed and the discussion will happen in the same change 14:30:40 cloudon1, but for the stuff being moved they wanted to move it right away so they could remove the old folder 14:30:44 cloudon1, and discuss later 14:31:16 OK, makes sense. Am subscribed now... 14:31:39 np 14:32:15 Which actually takes me to my main qn: was on the ProductWG IRC on Mon night. There was a discsussion of the status of the ~5 prio user stories - but nothign I saw about "let's discuss some of the others". 14:32:27 Have I missed a boat here? Has prio already been decided for N? 14:35:31 sgordon: sorry late to meeting. seems you mentioned there will be no more reoccuring WG meetings and are recommending attending the Product WG. am I understanding that correctly? 14:47:52 cloudon1, sorry - there has yeah 14:48:01 cloudon1, we need to get a few more telco folks involved over there 14:48:13 cloudon1, there was voting via the list which already completed 14:48:24 cloudon1, which is where their top 5 comes from 14:48:33 dronshaw, yes, correct 14:49:15 Ah, ok. Probably worth publicising the separate ML to the original TelcoWG crowd? 14:50:00 cloudon1, yeah 14:50:10 cloudon1, i gave myself an AI up above for a wrap up email 14:50:15 cloudon1, that needs to go in there 14:50:42 cloudon1, i have to check how the irc-meetings repo works and whether when cleaning up the meeting entry i can leave a pointer "hey, go here->" 14:53:56 cloudon1, i am going to wrap now but will try get an email out with those details today 14:54:03 cloudon1, thanks for the reminder about the list 14:54:13 thanks 14:54:29 & hope to bump into you in Austin 14:54:59 yep, will be there 14:55:13 hopefully having blocked out enough of my schedule to mostly focus on ops and design sessions 14:55:14 ;) 14:55:18 #endmeeting