14:01:09 #startmeeting telcowg 14:01:10 Meeting started Wed Aug 12 14:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:14 The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' 14:01:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda 14:01:25 #topic roll call 14:01:29 hello 14:01:34 Hi 14:01:35 who's up and about 14:01:44 hi 14:01:47 \o/ 14:02:07 #topic operators mid-cycle 14:02:16 just a reminder it's next week, no formal telcowg session 14:02:20 morning all 14:02:28 additionally the product wg mid-cycle is next week as well 14:02:41 i have been talking with them about how we work together to avoid duplication... 14:04:08 #topic tokyo 14:04:28 i got an email from the organizers for tokyo, rooms for working groups are now available for signup 14:04:37 needs to be complete by august 24th 14:04:46 sgordon: you have a link to the product-wg mid-cycle information? 14:04:52 #info working group rooms for tokyo available, need to be booked by 24th 14:05:02 jaypipes, sure let me grab it - it will also be in the bay area 14:05:08 sgordon: cheers 14:05:40 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/Product_WGLibertySprint 14:05:42 jaypipes, ^ 14:06:05 i wont actually be there as i am going to linuxcon/kvm forum next week but most of the other members of that wg will be 14:06:50 w.r.t. tokyo i guess the question at this stage is do we need/want a F2F and what are our goals 14:07:10 the room sizes available are 30, 80, ~160 or ~250 in size 14:07:16 i suspect based on last time 30 would be enough 14:07:31 and then the other question is 1 40 min block or 2 but that needs to be goal driven 14:07:38 sgordon: ty sir. 14:07:52 so for now i will just state the above as for informational purposes 14:08:02 need to think about this and nail it down over the next week or so 14:08:31 how we work with the productwg is also a key point in whether we need a dedicated session or not 14:08:52 their current thinking is that they would act as a funnel for use cases from the working groups (telco, wte, etc.) 14:09:05 How many sessions will the productwg get? 14:09:25 to the project teams - how this will work in practice versus us filing backlog specs or RFEs directly is another question 14:09:36 adrian-hoban, unclear - i would expect them to ask for 2 x 40 14:09:40 sgordon: I think we could do with a single session this time, since we've done into/work process twice now 14:09:46 aveiga, yeah 14:09:55 might be better to just do working sessions 14:10:02 aveiga, i also think as it's compressed into 4 days people's time will be even more pressed than usual 14:10:19 aveiga, so getting people's attention for 2 slots might be challenging 14:10:21 yeah, that's not going to help 14:10:54 #info currently thinking 1 x 40 min session in a 30 person room as a focused working session 14:11:17 #action sgordon to block a slot with the organizers 14:14:40 #topic open reviews 14:15:18 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z 14:17:50 ok 14:18:01 so the workflow patch 14:18:06 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/ 14:18:07 Do you guys think we're close to closing these reviews? Seem to be going for quite a while... 14:18:20 yeah it's an issue 14:18:28 one of the things was we only actually had three cores 14:18:30 we now have 5 14:18:43 also some adrian-hoban_ hoban guy keeps -1'ing my patches 14:18:44 ;p 14:19:11 ;-) 14:19:16 atm 14:19:27 we have the two workflow related patches which i had to iterate in the last week or so 14:19:32 4 use cases with a -1 14:19:40 and the SBC use case which could probably be merged? 14:19:53 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176301/ 14:20:22 +1 on the SBC 14:20:24 On SBC one, just back form hols and need some help from Mark with some git commit voodoo before it can be merged 14:20:46 cloudon: did you do the dance? you have to do the dance 14:21:12 And put it on youtube 14:21:22 Did the dance. Started raining. But didn't merge. 14:23:45 Correction: that's the IMS one I was talking about. SBC one has some good comments from Yuri I need to patch to address - mostly clarifying some terms though 14:24:12 A couple of weeks ago we mentioned the possibility of the BGP use case being a RFE candidate, with the affinity gap and IMS use cases good for backlog 14:24:44 Is it worth completing the reviews here if we agree to move forward with the other processes? 14:25:16 Use the current set of comments to refine the initial RFE/backlog submission drafts... 14:25:29 that's a good question 14:25:40 I think we should continue current workflow until/if we switch 14:27:18 yeah 14:27:19 aveiga: ok. Fair point. Should we switch sometime in Sept, so that we have some time to try these other methods, and have a greater chance of having the proposed changes discussed in design sessions? 14:27:21 i agree 14:27:46 i think we should proceed to try and turn it into RFEs/backlogs 14:27:51 it's up to sgordon and how far along he thinks the productwg is 14:28:03 it may also tie in neatly with a spec jaypipes has up around fixing/replacing server groups 14:28:07 aveiga, i think it's too early 14:28:12 oik 14:29:12 Given that is there any point converting existing use cases into the revised template format? 14:29:49 our revised format or productwg one 14:29:50 lol 14:29:51 :) 14:30:13 take your pick :) 14:30:19 #info Use BGP use case as a "guinea pig", turn into RFEs/backlog 14:30:29 i think we just use the template as it exists in telcowg repo 14:30:32 for now 14:31:43 Also consider the Affinity gap from the IMS use case for a Nova backlog item 14:33:57 right 14:33:59 soirry 14:34:05 #info Also consider the Affinity gap from the IMS use case for a Nova backlog item 14:34:50 so we need minor iteration on each of these and to merge them 14:35:00 and then a lucky volunteer or two to actually create the backlog items 14:35:47 Looks like the end to end workflow and optional template extensions are ready for approval too? 14:36:03 yeah i think so 14:36:13 i had a minor validation issue on those workflow updates 14:36:14 fixed now 14:36:26 im biased tho since i proposed them 14:36:30 I'll have a stab at the affinity gap one 14:38:53 Should we chat about the other three then? 14:39:17 SFC, VNF Bringup, and BGP 14:39:51 sure 14:40:22 #topic use case reviews - SFC 14:40:30 #link https://review.openstack.org/169201 14:40:49 sooo 14:40:55 this hasn't been touched in a while 14:41:10 where a while is like 2 weeks so not terrible 14:41:11 :) 14:41:16 but a lot of feedback to action 14:42:07 Lots of interesting items in this, but... I'm not sure we really need a dedicated Telco SFC item, or if we do, I'd recommend a brief one that only touches on gaps 14:42:16 SFC is getting lots of attention elsewhere 14:42:41 Possibly more effective to join those conversations 14:47:43 yeah 14:47:52 i think that is a fair comment 14:47:57 unsure how e.g. tacker relates 14:48:04 is that THE place to discuss this? 14:49:18 #info SFC conversation may need to be briefer and / or discussion moved to broader group 14:50:10 AFAIK, Tacker is being developed now as a proposed VNF manager. I was thinking of the SFC conversations related to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1460222 and the networking-sfc project 14:50:10 Launchpad bug 1460222 in neutron "Add 'labels', a list of opaque strings, to the neutron 'port' object" [Undecided,Won't fix] 14:50:11 Launchpad bug 1460222 in neutron "Add 'labels', a list of opaque strings, to the neutron 'port' object" [Undecided,Won't fix] 14:50:12 Launchpad bug 1460222 in neutron "Add 'labels', a list of opaque strings, to the neutron 'port' object" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460222 14:50:38 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1460222 14:50:54 #link https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc 14:51:10 ok 14:51:15 move on to the next one? 14:52:00 VNF Bring Up? 14:52:02 #topic use case reviews - Add initial VNF bring-up usecase 14:52:08 #link https://review.openstack.org/190080 14:52:13 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/ 14:54:55 Another spec with lots of good info, but IMO strays a bit from requirements into specifying implementation details. E.g. All VNFs should use cloud-init 14:55:40 Agree. More a list of things VNFs should do (some questionable) than what we need from the cloud. 14:56:40 i guess the question is, is something of value salvageable from what is there so far? 14:58:32 think there are some gaps that manifest in VM instantiation which this touches on e.g. NIC metadata, being address in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/metadata-service-network-info 14:59:12 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/metadata-service-network-info 14:59:33 #info question of whether some gaps manifesting in VM instantiation are addressed by this BP 14:59:40 It's a great topic, as long as the write up focuses on OpenStack gaps rather than VNF requirements 15:00:02 #info Topic is relevant but needs to focus on openstack gaps rather than requirements for VNFs themselves 15:00:51 ok 15:00:57 looks like we are at the hour 15:01:06 we can move to #openstack-nfv if we want to discuss further 15:01:10 apologies 15:01:13 thanks all for your time 15:01:16 #endmeeting