19:00:07 #startmeeting telcowg 19:00:08 Meeting started Wed Jul 22 19:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:09 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda 19:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:00:12 #topic roll call 19:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' 19:00:13 \o/ 19:00:24 hi 19:00:24 hi 19:00:26 who is around for the telco working group meeting? 19:00:38 me 19:00:46 +1 19:00:59 +1 19:01:11 ok 19:01:21 some quick house keeping updates 19:01:29 #topic openstack operator's mid-cycle 19:01:49 the operator's mid-cycle has been announced and is fast approaching for those interested 19:01:51 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007634.html 19:02:12 there is not currently any plan to propose a telco-specific session for this specific one 19:02:14 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup 19:02:28 in my case that is because i wont actually be there due to a set of conflicting events in seattle 19:02:39 if somebody else wants to pick that up though feel free 19:03:03 i won't be there 19:03:50 stick with me a second, grabbing link for next topic 19:04:35 #topic product working group update 19:04:38 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpQ1PjyCqbtTIKUbPESp3AbdjUSuIP7GVjda6Cy0EY8/edit 19:05:16 just as an fyi the product working group continues to attempt to define itself and exactly how it will work with existing efforts like this group, large deployments group etc 19:05:34 the google doc linked is their template review, it is originally based on ours but is changing a bit as the feedback rolls in 19:05:55 so noting that, who added proposed new template format to the agenda :) 19:06:02 that would be me... 19:06:16 had a stab at changing my vIMS one to new format 19:06:36 reasonably painless - only one issue really 19:06:48 interested in feedback on how it reads 19:07:06 issue is the general vs. the specific 19:07:11 ok, i saw the push message in #openstack-nfv earlier :) 19:07:32 #info cloudon has updated vIMS submission to match updated format, needs feedback on how it reads 19:07:53 IIUC new template is encouraging use cases to be general, with specific implementations given as examples 19:08:21 yes 19:08:35 I'll forward the link to the user story template to my colleagues 19:08:41 looking at the feedback on the productwg version some may think even that is too specific ! 19:08:48 but i think it's appropriate for this group 19:09:19 should we rewrite the use cases, which we are working on? 19:09:23 my $0.02: makes for tighter, more real-world & focussed use cases if based on specific 19:10:00 otherwise get lots of "but it could do X, Y or Z" comments 19:10:01 ralfT, for those that havent been merged yet i think it would be helpful to try re-work them 19:10:12 butttt let's talk about the next topic this clashes into 19:10:23 #topic repository management questions 19:10:30 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007611.html 19:10:49 i sent the above out asking for feedback on two items regarding repository management for telcowg-usecases 19:10:59 #info Adding Daniel Schabarum and Yuriy Babenko as cores 19:11:09 #info Future location of repository? 19:11:22 the second part is perhaps more controversial than i first thought 19:11:33 i got several off list responses 19:11:46 quick aside on the mail; did you mean to send to operators ML? 19:11:51 the suggestion i had made was moving the repository from the stackforge/ namespace to the openstack/ one 19:12:14 i actually did as the use case management does not have much to do with dev, though i guess i now know not everybody filters both for NFV 19:12:17 (or telco) 19:14:52 anyhoo, the responses i got were quite varied: 19:15:03 * use product working group repo for telco use cases instead? 19:15:16 * move under user committee governance instead of technical committee? 19:15:32 * abandon and use neutron/nova rfe and backlog processes instead 19:15:57 by way of background the only reason that led me to suggest moving it at all is that there is a proposal up to deprecate and ultimately remove stackforge 19:17:26 So is the intent to leave it as is for now or do we have any viable options? 19:17:42 we have a plethora of viable options, see above ;) 19:17:50 * move to openstack/ under TC governance 19:17:57 * move to openstack/ under UC governance 19:18:05 * move into productwg 19:18:15 * radically change process/approach 19:18:41 I vote for openstack under UC governance 19:18:56 what practical differences are there in first 2 from what we have now? 19:19:06 limited 19:19:16 they are just different paths to the openstack/ namespace 19:19:32 user committee probably is a better fit/lower bar just based on what this group produces 19:19:50 Agree 19:19:56 TC would be more appropriate if we expected to produce code directly in our repo 19:20:03 but we dont 19:20:11 sounds like UC to me then 19:20:21 as we are writing user stories it's UC for me 19:20:39 ok sounds like it is unanimous from those here 19:20:56 #action sgordon to write list proposing to move under UC and openstack/ namespace 19:21:09 ok 19:21:12 #topic reviews 19:21:25 cloudon, already mentioned vIMS is ready for more reviews 19:21:33 #link https://review.openstack.org/179142 19:21:41 i see the SBC has some new updates as well 19:21:59 #link https://review.openstack.org/176301 19:22:05 yes - some links to BP which have been completed - just need to check status of them all and update 19:22:23 #info cloudon updated vIMS and SBC use case proposals 19:22:35 #info sgordon updated template and workflow proposals 19:22:41 #link https://review.openstack.org/178347 19:22:46 #link https://review.openstack.org/199654 19:22:57 i should note the template update is just to mark two sections as optional 19:23:06 as there was some confusion expressed in the product wg review of it 19:23:17 will not require further reframing/rewriting of existing proposals 19:27:41 ok 19:27:51 without further ado i will call this closed then 19:28:02 #info Yuriy and Daniel added to core 19:28:34 #endmeeting