15:00:20 #startmeeting tc 15:00:20 Meeting started Thu Oct 14 15:00:20 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:20 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 15:00:28 #topic Roll call 15:00:30 o/ 15:00:31 o/ 15:00:32 o/ 15:00:39 o/ 15:01:08 Absence: Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo) 15:01:16 o/ 15:01:28 o/ 15:02:47 let's start 15:02:51 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee 15:02:53 ^^ today agenda 15:03:06 #topic Follow up on past action items 15:03:13 we had one action item 15:03:21 mnaser to check with doc SIG chair and close it and move SIG repo under TC and add tc-members as core 15:03:35 I have added tc-members in the core list of those repo 15:03:52 ++ 15:04:16 and other part we will discuss next in separate topic as few more question on training repo part 15:04:29 #topic Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto) 15:04:40 no complaints at the moment 15:04:44 same here 15:05:17 Seems to be good. 15:05:59 we've had some recent zuul regressions related to moving its internal state into zookeeper as we work toward the highly available scheduler for v5, but have mostly been able to hide the pain from users 15:06:21 but there have been a few restarts and some "stuck" builds here and there 15:08:08 ok 15:08:46 there is one in stable/train for d-g PyYAML-6.0 15:09:01 which is fixed by frickler and now approved too 15:09:20 yeah, pyyaml 6 drops support for yaml.load() if you don't specify a loader to use, it previously just warned noisily 15:09:42 also there's been continued pain from suds-jurko not working with setuptools>=58 15:09:57 yeah, even few more lib 15:10:09 we discussed this in this week qa meeting 15:10:35 right, there's been like half a dozen affected, suds-jurko was just the latest one to crop up as being a problem 15:10:35 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/813302 15:11:03 though it's also been widely discussed that we should be dropping suds-jurko in favor of maintained alternatives 15:11:26 only possible step is to replace with other alternate lib or remove the deps itself 15:11:55 anyjson too 15:12:30 we discussed to trigger or start the discussion from requirement side, by dropping it and notify the failing projects 15:12:48 frickler: was testing how many project/test fails with that. 15:13:39 let's wait for that and discuss on ML first 15:14:02 anything else on Gate checks? 15:14:31 #topic Project Health checks framework 15:14:52 I think we will continue discussing it in PTG on best way to present / use those stats 15:15:23 moving on... 15:15:38 #topic Stable team process change 15:15:42 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721 15:16:00 it is updated now, please review the latest PS 15:16:29 ++ Hadn't seen any comments as of yesterday. 15:17:14 it looks good to me 15:17:24 \o/ 15:18:19 anything else to discuss on this except review and comment there if any ? 15:19:31 ok, let's move then 15:19:36 #topic Technical Writing (doc) SIG need a chair and more maintainers 15:20:06 as i mentioned in starting, I added tc-members in the repos under this SIG 15:20:38 and frickler brought the non-maintained state of openstack/training-labs which is a repo under this SIG 15:20:59 in last meeting, we discussed that we can move all the repo of this SIG to TC 15:21:20 but by seeing those i details, I feel like trainings repo make sense to move under FC SIG instead of TC 15:21:35 agreed 15:21:43 openstack/training-labs openstack/training-guides openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment 15:21:51 ^^ especially these three 15:22:10 or to other place where it suite more like under foundation or so 15:22:10 does the fc sig handle certified openstack operator testing? 15:22:26 that's what training-labs is "training" people for 15:22:28 fungi: no. 15:22:49 FC make use of openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment and openstack/training-guides at least 15:23:05 for the upstream training site and virtual image for hands-on in training 15:23:37 yeah, the repos related to upstream institute would potentially make sense under the fc sig 15:23:48 but presumably not the training-labs repo 15:23:51 i quickly discussed about it with ildikov too and she is not aware of openstack/training-labs usage 15:24:09 yeah, openstack/training-labs seems not in use seems 15:24:47 let's discuss this in next week in PTG when kendal and ildikov will be there who handle the training parts at least upstream one 15:24:49 well, it's not being maintained/reviewed. people do still seem to use it to train for the certification, as evidenced by someone pushing updates for it a few weeks ago 15:24:55 I will add it in PTG etherpad 15:25:50 but i agree, the coa is primarily driven by the foundation, so it would make sense for them to decide what should be done with the training-labs repo and find new volunteers to take it over, or retire it 15:25:51 'people do still seem to use it to train for the certification,' you mean corporate trainings? or from foundation side 15:26:19 yeah 15:26:29 gmann: that's just it, it's hard to know who's using it and for what, since they don't have to tell us 15:27:23 fungi: i see. 15:27:36 i have added this in PTG etherpad to discuss next week 15:28:18 anything else on this? 15:28:56 #topic Place to maintain the external hosted ELK, E-R, O-H services 15:29:09 I tried to summarize it in ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-October/025251.html 15:29:34 with same section heading 15:30:18 Hey all here late and no scroll back 15:30:24 I think we are all set here and wendar will be working on setting up the AWS accounts or so. 15:30:30 spotz_: hi 15:30:49 gmann: ++ 15:31:44 fungi: I think you have read the summary. as discussed in last to last week meeting also, we will start this work in TacT SIG and dpawlik wendar and Ross Tomlinson will be helping on the migration/maintenance part 15:32:39 I'm super happy we seem to have a path here 15:32:45 and now onwards discussion can be in openstack-infra channel unless anything from TC side is required 15:32:45 because I really thought this was going to end in tears 15:32:50 dansmith: yeah 15:33:03 dansmith: Indeed. 15:33:23 this is super help for us. 15:33:33 yeah, the tact sig is mainly just an umbrella the new effort can stand under, it's not really going to involve the current tact sig members in the building and running of it 15:33:51 nor the opendev sysadmins 15:34:06 fungi: agree. 15:34:32 eigenstate is sponsoring a contract developer to do the ingestion pieces, and dpawlik is leading the way on the log scraping part 15:34:46 along with wendar , huge thanks to dpawlik also for volunteering to help here. 15:34:52 +1 15:35:38 ++ 15:35:57 I will remove this topic from our next meeting agenda 15:36:04 anything else on this topic? 15:36:05 ++ 15:36:25 #topic Open Reviews 15:36:37 #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open 15:36:50 fungi: allright. Some part for the log scraping script has been done. It is already configured for RDO so hope it will fit of all of the expectations 15:38:23 two reviews need more vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721 15:38:24 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/813112 15:38:40 dpawlik: +1, thanks again 15:39:03 please review the stable team part which I am hoping we can merge before/during PTG week 15:39:12 one last thing from me 15:39:26 we will cancel the next week TC meeting as we are anyways meeting in PTG 15:39:36 sensible 15:39:37 :D 15:40:26 I will arrange the PTG topic tomorrow and schedule(what topic to discuss what time ) part we can discuss on our first 30 min on Thursday 15:41:04 and do not forget to join TC + community leaders sessions on Monday 15:41:26 Monday, Oct 18 15 UTC - 17 UTC (TC+ Community Leaders Interaction) 15:41:37 that's all from me today, anything else to disucss? 15:41:38 i'm saddened i'll have to miss half of it because of overlap with the security sig session 15:41:47 but there's only so many hours in the week 15:42:04 fungi: oh, no worry, please join in 2nd half of it. 15:42:05 * yoctozepto knows the drill 15:42:16 it is 2 hrs sessions 15:42:50 I have an overlap with kolla but I'm trying to get agenda to suit me ;d 15:43:20 yoctozepto: ah, same time seems. 15:43:40 yeah, it's kolla's traditional timeslot 15:43:52 along with the two others 15:43:57 thankfully not too many overlaps 15:44:17 yeah, hard to avoid it 100% 15:44:29 ok, if nothing else, let's end the today meeting. ~15 min early 15:44:34 thanks gmann 15:44:35 thanks all for joining 15:44:39 #endmeeting