01:00:00 <fungi> #startmeeting tc
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01:00:39 <fungi> #topic office hour
01:00:57 <clarkb> I'd be curioua to hear how the goals session went as I had a conflict
01:01:19 * fungi digs up the pads for that
01:01:43 <mnaser> o/
01:02:18 <mnaser> As fungi mentioned, there was a lot of discussion about prior goals and their success
01:02:54 <mnaser> I think one of the ideas brought up was that there was some operators mentioning that the goals were not oriented to them but rather to the developers / tech / code, if I understood
01:03:03 <fungi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-S-release-goals
01:03:22 <fungi> part of that was my misunderstanding
01:04:40 <fungi> mriedem had left comments in the previous session's pad that the cold upgrades goal had gotten backburnered in favor of the mox goal
01:06:58 <mnaser> ^ yep
01:07:03 <mnaser> i think that was brought up
01:07:11 <fungi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-extended-maintenance
01:07:16 <fungi> around line 99 i think
01:07:54 <fungi> i mistakenly thought it was input from someone representing operator concerns in the discussion, but turns out to have been mreidem (or i think he said that was him at any rate)
01:09:10 <mnaser> yep, it was him who brought it up (on behalf of operator feedback)
01:09:34 <fungi> anyway, i did my best (in both sessions) to explain that we intentionally picked a rocky goal we thought would please operators (dynamic reconfiguration) and one which reduced our tech debt (mox removal)
01:10:14 <fungi> so it was dynamic reconfig which was picked over cold upgrades, really
01:12:09 <mnaser> i think the dynamic reconfig was far more popular because it was far easier to implement
01:12:20 <fungi> but regardless, that's all water under the bridge now
01:12:31 <fungi> we did pitch some potential stein goals
01:13:02 <fungi> i did my best to represent the storyboard migration goal as diablo_rojo needed to be elsewhere for the latter half of the session
01:16:28 <fungi> anyway, the upshot of the session is that the champions for the pitched goals from the backlog would write up specs proposals for review
01:16:39 <fungi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals
01:18:26 <fungi> #info Champions for goals pitched at the Forum session on Stein Release Goals will write up formal goal proposal changes for review
01:23:23 <mnaser> i guess there isn't much more to that ;x
01:27:44 <fungi> #chair mnaser
01:27:45 <openstack> Current chairs: fungi mnaser
01:28:22 <fungi> may as well add other tc members present as chairs when we use meetbot for minutes so we can collaborate on chair-only actions
01:28:34 <clarkb> thank you for the goals summary
01:29:16 <mnaser> hopefully thursday we can talk about the whole idea of bringing back an actual agenda for meetings
01:29:23 <fungi> #idea Add other TC members present as chairs when we use meetbot for minutes so we can collaborate on chair-only actions
01:32:32 <fungi> #info In the Forum session for a TC Retrospective some consensus was expressed to try using meetbot to record relevant minutes during office hours, hence... this!
01:33:25 <fungi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-tc-retrospective
02:00:05 <fungi> #endmeeting