17:03:04 <gema> #startmeeting tailgate
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17:03:39 <spyderdyne> hello everyone
17:03:43 <gema> o/
17:03:45 <malini> o/
17:05:22 <hockeynut> o/
17:05:42 <hockeynut> in a video meeting as well - multitasking :-)
17:05:48 <gema> hockeynut: well done :D
17:06:24 <gema> spyderdyne: any developments on your side?
17:06:48 <spyderdyne> still tweaking.
17:06:58 <spyderdyne> up to 5,000 concurrent scale instances now
17:07:06 <gema> awesome
17:07:24 <spyderdyne> should have siege results this afternoon
17:08:10 <gema> I am still working on my project and haven't managed to publish it yet
17:08:41 <gema> but basically it is a REST api that runs on the openstack side + a jenkins plugin that can spin independent test environment
17:08:47 <gema> be able to test openstack on openstack
17:09:18 <malini> what are you using to spin up the test env?
17:09:34 <gema> jenkins asks the rest api for a slave
17:09:38 <gema> and this slave is an openstack tenant
17:09:56 <gema> created/removed on the fly
17:10:05 <gema> on demand, basically
17:10:05 <malini> cool
17:10:32 <gema> funnily enough it is taking me longer to make the whole project a nice packaged thing that it took to get it working
17:10:41 <gema> but I am getting there
17:10:46 <gema> and writing documentation as well
17:11:09 <gema> this is aimed at functional testing, though
17:11:12 <malini> it always takes longer to package it :)
17:11:21 <gema> malini: thanks for the encouragement :D
17:11:44 <gema> malini: do you have anything to report?
17:11:50 <malini> nope
17:11:52 <spyderdyne> it definitely takes a long time t package things
17:11:53 <spyderdyne> :)
17:12:06 <gema> \o/
17:12:12 <gema> I feel less useless now x)
17:12:33 <gema> hockeynut: anything from you?
17:12:52 <hockeynut> nothing new from me - been getting all educated on neutron/lbaas for my next assignment
17:13:05 <dmellado> Hi everyone, new to the project and attending the qa meeting at the same time
17:13:17 <gema> dmellado: o/ welcome :)
17:13:20 <dmellado> but trying to understadnd the scope from this xD
17:13:33 <gema> dmellado: let me get you a link
17:13:46 <gema> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tailgaters
17:14:19 <gema> dmellado: we are still trying to find our place, but we are essentially a bunch of QA people from different integrators collaborating to make the testing less redundant
17:14:30 <dmellado> thanks gema, I read that but thought it was a little bit high level
17:14:32 <dmellado> isn't it?
17:14:36 <gema> dmellado: it is
17:15:06 <malini> dmellado: at this point, we are just brain dumping each other with what we do :)
17:15:15 <dmellado> xD
17:15:15 <spyderdyne> testing beyond the gate…
17:15:17 <gema> #link https://code.launchpad.net/openstack-tailgate
17:15:30 <spyderdyne> the code gate
17:15:43 <gema> dmellado: and we have mythos which has been contributed by spyderdyne
17:15:57 <dmellado> is that one another kind of testing framework?
17:15:58 <gema> essentially test code that aims at scale testing
17:16:19 <gema> spyderdyne: will you do the honors?
17:16:46 <spyderdyne> sure
17:17:48 <spyderdyne> im looking for the presentation link
17:18:32 <gema> #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1eHrWk2xmooJY1exe-ddRsDebkXQcAMLklkIuH0wTEL0/edit#slide=id.ge43b425a7_0_2
17:19:02 <gema> dmellado: we were alternate for tokyo and they never called us
17:19:03 <spyderdyne> yeah, that one
17:19:09 <gema> but we have a presentation as a result of that
17:19:26 <dmellado> nice!
17:19:35 <spyderdyne> we currently have a launchpad repo containing the mythos project
17:19:36 <gema> it may help understand where we are coming from
17:19:54 <spyderdyne> nothign else contributed yet
17:20:26 <spyderdyne> mythos contains features to spawn server and client scale testing images for deployment to the cloud
17:20:28 <dmellado> the point about not reinventing the wheel it's fair enough for me xD
17:20:41 <gema> well, there are other tools from the different companies that are opensource
17:20:48 <spyderdyne> there are
17:20:52 <spyderdyne> and none of them agree
17:21:12 <gema> spyderdyne: agree with what?
17:21:26 <spyderdyne> each other
17:21:27 <spyderdyne> :)
17:21:38 <gema> well, we basically don't have any resources so far
17:21:45 <gema> what people have managed to do on their own time
17:21:50 <gema> and well, spyderdyne
17:21:59 <malini> Also, folks have invested a lot in what they already have
17:22:19 * beisner waves
17:22:23 <gema> beisner: o/
17:22:32 <spyderdyne> ;)
17:22:45 <spyderdyne> im the only one who has shared so far
17:22:46 <spyderdyne> :)
17:23:24 * beisner shares:  juju, maas, ubuntu, charms  :D
17:23:46 <spyderdyne> of course, we decided that Rally was not to be trusted since the same test on the same system 3 times prodices 3 entirely different results…
17:24:08 <spyderdyne> so i had to pull in a bunch of other open source stuff to create a solution
17:24:15 <beisner> oh that's interesting
17:24:29 <beisner> isn't rally just wrapping a set of actions and delivering some report output?
17:24:38 <spyderdyne> it is
17:24:47 <beisner> so one could say the cloud wasn't performing consistently
17:24:59 <gema> or the tests are unreliable
17:25:00 <gema> not rally
17:25:02 <dmellado> that was going to be my point
17:25:08 <beisner> or that, sure
17:25:15 <spyderdyne> i cant trust a tool that creates an object, tests it, and then forgets to remove it
17:25:16 <dmellado> the stability/or not from the openstack clouds
17:25:24 <beisner> oh, that.
17:25:35 <gema> spyderdyne: that's a different issue from reliability
17:25:52 <beisner> i think that's likely an issue with the scenario
17:25:53 <gema> spyderdyne: but my tool removes everything it creates , lol
17:25:54 <spyderdyne> to be sure
17:26:03 <spyderdyne> mine too
17:26:04 <spyderdyne> :)
17:26:26 <dmellado> IIRC there was some stuff about rally that was aiming to do that
17:26:37 <dmellado> for tempest there's at least this cleanup script
17:26:44 <spyderdyne> there was, but it never came to pass afaik
17:26:48 <dmellado> but it's not really fully implemented in the normal run
17:27:16 <gema> dmellado: you could introduce yourself and give us a bit of an overview of what you are interested in?
17:27:50 <dmellado> sure, well actually I'm working for Red Hat as a quality engineer and a contributor to upstream tempest
17:28:09 <dmellado> while also keeping our downstram repo
17:28:38 <dmellado> I'm interested in getting to know more tools or what people are interested in
17:28:46 <gema> malini: do you have a link to opencafe?
17:28:55 <malini> sure .. 1min
17:29:04 <gema> that one is also interested, I heard sam talk about it and looked into it after coming back from tokyo
17:29:10 <malini> https://github.com/openstack/opencafe
17:29:11 <gema> interesting
17:29:12 <dmellado> as something 'official' tools such as tempest or rally ar lacking. I've been also looking into shaker, and some more stuff ;)
17:29:23 <malini> #link https://github.com/openstack/cloudcafe
17:29:26 <dmellado> so great meeting you all!
17:29:30 <malini> #link https://github.com/openstack/cloudcafe
17:29:37 <gema> dmellado: great to have you here too
17:29:44 <malini> #link https://github.com/openstack/cloudroast
17:30:55 <gema> ok, I think we could set up some goals for the next meeting
17:31:00 <gema> because we are a bit aimless
17:31:19 <gema> except for spyderdyne
17:31:42 <spyderdyne> what is the QA team that has a meeting at the same time as ours?
17:31:48 <dmellado> spyderdyne: yep
17:31:58 <gema> spyderdyne: tempest meeting
17:32:05 <gema> we could move ours
17:32:13 <spyderdyne> ah
17:32:31 <gema> maybe we don't have more visitors from QA because the meetings clash
17:32:32 <spyderdyne> we jsut did move ours which is why i was curios
17:32:38 <gema> spyderdyne: we never moved it
17:33:28 <gema> #action come up with an actionable goal to accomplish before next ODS
17:33:42 <gema> we'll come back to this in the new year
17:33:50 <dmellado> gema: the QA meeting changes the time in a weekly-basis
17:33:57 <dmellado> one is more EMEA friendlier
17:34:02 <dmellado> i.e next week
17:34:07 <gema> ahh, ok
17:34:32 <gema> most of the people here are from the US
17:34:37 <gema> so we only have one slot for now
17:35:10 <gema> the other thing I wanted to discuss is holiday season schedule
17:35:22 <gema> I am not going to be in next Thursday or the one after next
17:35:28 <malini> same here
17:35:42 <gema> is anyone going to be around or shall we just cancel those two?
17:36:14 <gema> because we are so lucky that we are hitting Xmas Eve and New Year's Eve
17:36:17 <gema> this year :)
17:36:29 <malini> yayy :)
17:36:34 <dmellado> +1 here (even when I just arrived xD)
17:36:46 <gema> dmellado: do you want to be added to the mailing?
17:36:48 <spyderdyne> im avalable next week, but not the following
17:36:56 <gema> if so, give spyderdyne your email address
17:36:56 <dmellado> please
17:37:00 <dmellado> dmellado@redhat.com
17:37:03 <spyderdyne> im fine for this being the last meeting this year though
17:37:28 <gema> sounds like makes sense to have two weeks off
17:37:35 <gema> you would be alone next week , I think
17:37:38 <gema> here
17:38:26 <gema> #info The following two meetings are cancelled, we will be back on normal schedule on Jan 7th
17:39:04 <gema> ok, so let's use the Xmas break to think about what we want to get out of this group and where we are going
17:39:24 <gema> I will publish a link to my project as soon as it is published on the mailing
17:39:54 <gema> and we have the action of using mythos on rackspace's cloud and ubuntu's
17:39:58 <gema> malini: did you get too it?
17:40:25 <malini> gema: get what?
17:40:34 <malini> oh - the action of course :D
17:40:39 <gema> malini: remember that last meeting spyderdyne asked for help with testing mythos?
17:40:54 <gema> I haven't had the time to do it
17:40:56 <malini> yes, its still oin my todo though
17:40:58 <gema> ok
17:41:11 <gema> #action test mythos on ubuntu cloud and rackspace cloud (malini and gema)
17:41:24 <gema> ok, any other questions?
17:41:27 <gema> or thoughts
17:41:45 <gema> #action spyderdyne to add dmellado to the mailing
17:42:01 <spyderdyne> working on it now.  i have them saved.
17:42:26 <gema> coolio, have a happy Christmas everyone, and see you in the new yar
17:42:27 <gema> year
17:42:47 <gema> \o/
17:42:48 <dmellado> ;)
17:42:51 <dmellado> same there!
17:42:51 <malini> o/
17:42:59 <malini> Happy Holidays all!
17:43:08 <spyderdyne> :)
17:43:13 <gema> hockeynut: don't let neutron steal your xmas :)
17:43:21 <malini> :D
17:43:29 <dmellado> + tomorrow star wars \o/
17:43:32 <dmellado> xD
17:43:34 <gema> dmellado: lol
17:43:43 <gema> I am jealous now x)
17:43:49 <gema> #endmeeting