17:00:15 #startmeeting tailgate 17:00:17 Meeting started Thu Sep 10 17:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:22 The meeting name has been set to 'tailgate' 17:00:44 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-09-03-17.00.html 17:00:58 #topic rollcall 17:01:10 hey, anyone around for the meeting today? 17:01:45 hi gema 17:01:51 hi jasonsb 17:02:09 jose-idar: around? 17:02:19 let's give people some time to show up 17:02:51 i think spyderdyne said he couldn't make today due to conflict 17:03:01 jasonsb: yep, I read that 17:04:47 alright, just you and me this time around it seems 17:04:54 #topic Last week's actions 17:05:15 jasonsb: you didn't get to the questionaire review, right? 17:05:34 i can send you my draft this afternoon 17:05:40 sounds good 17:05:48 will keep it on the log then 17:05:59 and we'll have something else to discuss next week 17:06:00 then we can send to ml 17:06:09 coolio 17:06:13 #ACTION jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML 17:06:31 the other action I have for you on the log is 17:06:39 jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this 17:06:51 didn't get to it yet 17:07:00 alright, will carry it forward then 17:07:08 #ACTION jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this 17:07:09 probably after sending out questionaire 17:07:11 (its easy) 17:07:16 ok 17:07:22 malini: you around? 17:07:51 ok, let's go for mine next 17:08:01 they are all going to be carried over till after my holidays 17:08:18 or well, I can start the conversation about the new time slot before leaving 17:08:22 and you guys discuss it 17:08:31 #ACTION gema to continue with the strategy doc 17:08:31 #ACTION gema to write a blog post about refstack-client running 17:08:32 #ACTION gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps 17:08:47 #ACTION gema to initiate conversation on the mailing about a new time slot 17:08:55 i'm starting to see your interest in defcore 17:09:07 jasonsb: they need tests and we should be writing them 17:09:09 :) 17:09:19 its also not a thing so much as a process 17:09:19 they know where the gaps are, that's done for us 17:09:35 a process where compatbility (forwards, backwards) becomes a concern 17:09:41 yep 17:09:50 let me finish with the actions 17:09:53 or else you end up in the same pickle as keystone etc 17:09:56 and then we can discuss defcore 17:09:57 sorry 17:10:06 #ACTION malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC 17:10:09 #ACTION jose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement them at some point , but at least start to get organised 17:10:13 ok 17:10:20 #topic defcore 17:10:44 you were talking about compatibility and some insight on what htey are doing 17:11:17 please correct me 17:11:27 sorry - network worries 17:11:32 but if you identify capabilities, then you need to determine which you can rely on 17:11:43 which leads you directly to compatibility 17:11:53 well, capabilities are api calls 17:11:58 that give you some functionality 17:12:04 that are exposed to the user 17:12:13 so yes, yoou should be able to rely on them 17:12:23 and they should be consistent across clouds 17:12:35 for people to be able to develop stable apps on top of them 17:12:41 so maybe defcore is about socializing that idea 17:13:00 defcore is about establishing that idea 17:13:09 which is great 17:13:16 not sure about socializing although there will be part of it too I am sure 17:13:49 however as a project, I don't think openstack is there yet 17:14:03 this defcore conversations are just the beginning 17:14:04 little bit early days for this 17:14:12 so it is a great time for us to start contributing 17:14:16 and get emmeshed in t he project 17:14:17 I think 17:14:24 for example, keystone v3 is heir apparent 17:14:31 heir? 17:14:31 but horizon does not support domain scoped tokens 17:15:07 "a person who is most likely to succeed to the place of another." 17:15:20 ahh, ok 17:15:22 sorry for oblique reference 17:15:27 it's alright xD 17:15:51 so can you really write defcore around v3 yet? 17:15:55 yeah, but that is what I was trying to understand yesterday, because new apis should carry over the old ones functionality 17:16:05 sure you can, if v3 api is there now 17:16:12 and the test will mature with the api 17:16:23 and hopefully stay there for a long time 17:16:28 life long and prosper, as they say 17:17:27 i think you said before that tailgate should view defcore tests as someting very central 17:17:47 I think it is a good starting point 17:17:48 to tailgate interests. i see that 17:17:58 the testing concerns overlap alot 17:17:59 I think there will be more to us 17:18:04 like non-functional testing 17:18:13 but for functional I think their umbrella is ideal 17:19:01 jasonsb: so you have their meeting pinned in your calendar for next week then? 17:19:11 i do not but i will :) 17:19:17 you should subscribe to their mailing which is where they send deviations like yesterday's 17:19:20 with invites 17:19:30 will do 17:19:32 their meetings normally happen in meetingroom-4 on irc 17:19:52 ok, did anything else happen after I left yesterday that you want to share? 17:20:10 nothing notable i think 17:20:23 ok 17:20:30 I made a note about a neutron test that is missing 17:20:54 #idea Add a new test for neutron that attaches a floating ip to a VM (see if it can be done without admin) 17:21:16 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Fkt2n95WPPe7CYH-0WIKz3dhMeW3FW2gl5aSlamEeY/edit#gid=561264013 17:21:40 jasonsb: what is this document? 17:21:56 defcore capabilities scoring 17:22:12 coolio 17:22:19 I am going to add it to the test strategy 17:22:27 will work on that side of things when I come back from holidays 17:22:33 i think you gave it in irc yesterday? 17:22:43 when is holidays for you? 17:22:44 no,, I don't think I had seen it 17:22:50 starts tomorrow until end of next week :D 17:22:56 oh ok 17:24:14 I hope I come back fresh and centered 17:24:22 me too :) 17:24:24 the works at my house were very distracting 17:25:23 anyway, anything else on defcore? 17:25:31 i hope to be fresh enough to get a blog post done 17:25:38 :D 17:25:46 like spyderydyne 17:25:50 yep, me too 17:25:59 #topic AOB 17:26:01 can' think of anything on defcore 17:26:02 ok 17:26:11 what is AOB? 17:26:18 any other business 17:26:23 :D 17:26:24 malini: lol, you ask me every time 17:26:27 that's so cute x) 17:26:33 short term memory 17:26:37 haha, me too :D 17:26:43 any ideas for the summit? 17:26:58 At the minimum I wud like us to meet early on :D 17:27:01 we should start building a list of topics for you guys to work on 17:27:36 tht wud be neat 17:27:58 gema did you have a topic for preparing the tokyo talk? 17:27:59 who wants so start that? 17:28:14 jasonsb: not really, I never added it 17:28:28 jasonsb: it all starts with the questionaire 17:28:33 ah 17:28:34 and from that we can work on the talk 17:28:38 ok! 17:28:44 jasonsb: so you are the bottleneck 17:28:46 how about that x D 17:29:01 i knew there was a reason i didnt' ask before 17:29:20 j/k, we should whenever we get answers from the questionaire have at least a skeleton of the talk in place 17:29:27 just in case the talk does finally happen 17:29:37 so that we are not rushed in that case 17:29:44 true 17:29:57 do any of you have time to start thinking about that this week? 17:30:09 maybe put an empty slidedeck together with just an index 17:30:20 I can help some too 17:30:37 malini: do you want to think about the presentation, then? 17:30:50 yes 17:31:07 I will start a skeleton, so we can start poking around to add info 17:31:10 #action malini to start thinking about the presentation and a structure that would make sense in case it happens 17:31:19 malini: sounds good 17:31:30 malini: make sure jasonsb finishes the questionaire, lol 17:31:45 hopefully this will also help us gather our thoughts 17:31:50 yep 17:31:55 soul searching, like you said 17:32:10 tht soul is hard to find :/ 17:32:15 I know 17:32:36 starting is always the most difficult part 17:32:46 I think we set up a too broad of a goal at the beginning 17:32:52 which is why we are still trying to find a way to start 17:33:24 and maybe why most of the people that started with us dropped from these calls 17:33:32 that or maybe they just lost interest 17:33:44 but there are still three players here 17:33:51 four, actually 17:34:00 unless we have something solid, its hard to justify spending time on this -rt? 17:34:02 rackspace, cisco, hitachi and canonical 17:34:21 malini: and unless we spend time on it and get organised there'll be nothing solid 17:34:26 it's a catch 22 17:34:43 but I agree with you 17:34:47 it has been difficult for me too 17:34:48 once we find tht soul, we'll gain momentum 17:34:55 agreed 17:35:23 we'll get there :) 17:35:28 sure thing 17:35:49 you guys take care of that this week and that'll give me some push when I come back to continue the defcore work 17:36:04 ok :) 17:36:09 I will need a volunteer to chair next week's meeting 17:36:09 enjoy ur time off 17:36:17 malini: thanks :D 17:36:27 I always screw up the tags 17:36:33 malini: who cares 17:36:37 yes indeed enjoy your holidays 17:36:45 I can in tht case :) 17:36:50 :D 17:36:55 what is the name of our meeting again? 17:37:00 :d 17:37:10 haha you need to type: #startmeeting tailgate 17:37:15 without the ':' 17:37:21 ok :D 17:37:33 #action malini to chair next week's meeting 17:37:56 do we have anything else to discuss? 17:39:09 ok , ending meeting in 17:39:11 3 17:39:12 2 17:39:17 #endmeeting