16:01:22 #startmeeting tacker 16:01:23 Meeting started Tue Sep 27 16:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' 16:01:33 #topic Roll Call 16:01:38 o/ 16:01:39 o/ 16:01:39 o/ 16:01:43 o/ 16:01:47 o/ 16:01:47 o/ 16:01:51 o/ 16:01:56 o/ 16:02:09 o/ 16:02:18 howdy all !! 16:02:24 #chair sripriya tbh 16:02:24 o/ 16:02:25 Current chairs: sridhar_ram sripriya tbh 16:02:31 #chair sripriya tbh s3wong 16:02:32 Current chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram sripriya tbh 16:02:49 #topic Agenda 16:03:03 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Sep_27th.2C_2016 16:03:14 o/ 16:03:16 #topic Annoucements 16:03:37 Tacker Newton got released, hurray !!! 16:03:50 awesome 16:03:55 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-September/001665.html 16:03:55 yyeyeyeyy 16:03:57 congrats all :) 16:04:17 congrats team. great effort!! 16:04:23 Tacker horizon vvvv 16:04:25 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-September/001666.html 16:04:50 hi all, i work for Sprint, I am new to tacker. I have just setup the dev env 16:04:50 you just need to see all those commits that went in .. that just last 4 weeks 16:05:07 abinaya__: welcome to the team! 16:05:22 i would like to work on a bug 16:05:33 IMHO, this is one of the best release of Tacker!! Tons of things went in 16:06:06 sridhar_ram: +1 16:06:07 Agree w/ Sripriya, this was a great team effort! 16:06:14 great work, I'm very impressed with its feature set! 16:06:27 mike_m: thanks! 16:06:40 abinaya__: that's a good way to start.. 16:06:53 anything else to announce? 16:07:10 nothing else from my side.. 16:07:27 #topic Newton Restrospective 16:07:55 It make sense to pause few mins and assess what worked well in newton and what didn't .. 16:08:04 Thoughts? 16:08:17 We all should be as frank as we can be.. 16:09:21 sridhar_ram: functional and unit tests need to go hand in hand with a feature or rfe patch 16:09:53 Breaking up into multiple patchsets worked well for me for the events audit plugin even though there were initial hiccups 16:10:06 vishwanathj, +1 16:10:18 sripriya: +1 16:10:52 one from my side on what-worked-well... when a feature was struggling a bit, different members naturally jumped in to help out .. a "sub-team" got organically formed, they owned the feature and most importantly delivered!! 16:11:23 +1 16:11:24 ^^ this happened repeated .. VNFFG, alarm-mon, audit-log, etc 16:11:24 sridhar_ram: +1 16:11:58 sridhar_ram, +1 16:12:30 To me this is a cue for new members joining Tacker, they still can make a big by joining a "sub-team" or propose something "big" and ask for a sub-team to be formed .. 16:13:04 we can try formalizing this in Ocata.. 16:13:32 sripriya: yes, unit and func needs to go hand in hand.. we still need improvements in this area 16:13:51 now, what else could be improved ? 16:15:35 I've an etherpad here for this.. 16:15:38 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-retrospective 16:15:48 it might be a good idea for reviewers and coders to come up with acceptance criteria for a patch early on if possible... as soon a developer thinks he or she is done, you get a comment that was not thought through during spec time .... expect this to be improved over time though 16:15:52 if you think of anything, please capture in there.. 16:17:38 vishwanathj: agree, the more thorough spec review can help us avoid such expectation gap between the submitters and reviewers 16:18:22 that reminds be of one more thing... the submitters of big features need to actively solicit / recruit reviewers ... 16:18:31 sridhar_ram: i guess ownership on the spec reviews can help so that the reviewer and developer can work through the spec to get it to its possible best 16:18:55 reviewer bandwidth is important along the same lines as a submitters bandwidth.. reviewing is hard work !! 16:20:02 I understand that not everything can be thought through at spec review .. but a running list of acceptance criteria initiated by developer during implementation and modified as per dialogue between submitter/reviewer could help get a sight on when patch can be closed 16:20:05 sripriya: +1, perhaps that answers by above suggestion... to "recruit" one of the spec reviewers to be your code reviewer.. this will also alleviate the problem that vishwanathj brought up 16:20:20 sridhar_ram: agree 16:20:52 vishwanathj: we do have "work items" listed in the spec and we tracked that in the BP launchpad.. that was very useful. 16:21:13 +1 on the work items, that was very helpful 16:21:26 Again, I'll capture these points in the etherpad after this meeting.. feel free to add anything else u can think of 16:21:46 we will try to incorporate in the upcoming cycle.. 16:21:49 moving on 16:22:02 that helped me a lot to track my tasks, a good practice to continue 16:22:04 sridhar_ram, instead of combining all in one patch, we should break down the large patches 16:22:19 dkushwaha: agree.. 16:23:09 the core team did a great job reviewing patchsets and also guiding team members when stuck....hopefully, you folks got enough sleep in this cycle 16:23:18 All in one patch is easy to test - like for me testing alarm-mon was easier 16:23:34 dkushwaha: .. however there were some angst what "sized" patchset is ideal... 16:24:17 dkushwaha: too many too small patchset are pain to test, ack janki's point .. 16:24:28 we need to find a good balance 16:24:37 sridhar_ram, janki IMO patches should be logically complete at smallest level instead of their size 16:24:43 I prefer splitting larger patch into small will be good 16:25:15 dksushwaha +1 ... it took a while to understand that concept for me, but was glad that I did it that way in the end 16:25:18 vishwanathj: thanks.. credits goes to all the rock start core-team members.. 16:25:51 alright folks, lots of good input.. will capture them into the etherpad.. 16:25:56 time to move to the next topic 16:26:22 #topic Barcelona Summit Planning 16:26:41 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit 16:27:11 Let's pencil in some candidate topics for the design summit... 16:27:50 Fishbowl session Wed 3:05 - 3:45pm .. is a bigger room, and probably would be widely attended 16:28:18 It will be good to talk about our roadmap / vision beyond things in flight.. 16:28:53 we can take up the next working session for near term features .. either already started or just about to .. 16:28:59 any suggestions ? ideas ? 16:29:03 sridhar_ram, I would like to talk on containarised VNF. I am working on getting the demo ready 16:29:14 * sridhar_ram specifically looking for folks who are going to be in barcelona 16:29:25 sridhar_ram: multi-vim, specifically vcloud API? 16:29:35 mike_m: +1 16:29:41 sridhar_ram: I will be there. 16:29:56 mike_m: great... 16:30:37 mike_m: sripriya: on that I've reached out to some one from VMware working on Nova .. we should plan to invite nova-vmware members to our fishbowl session 16:31:20 sridhar_ram: yeah, that would be great idea 16:32:19 sridhar_ram: would also like to discuss the "EM" API. I'm still trying to figure out what that should look like, but would like an open discussion on that. 16:32:50 janki: for containerized VNF .. it might be possible just w/ TOSCA VDU changes and enhancing openstack VIM driver to interface w/ Magnum / Zun through Heat 16:33:03 mike_m: sure, lets pencil that in for the working session 16:33:22 sridhar_ram, I am thinking the same - having magnum instead of heat 16:37:02 thats a long silence 16:37:12 i just updated the etherpad 16:37:12 tbh: dkushwaha: do you folks want to talk more on VNFC & NSD in the summit ? perhaps what can be done beyond the initial VNFC and NSD support ? 16:37:12 mike_m: I'd suggest you to put together a short google doc / slides to present for EM API... it will help to trigger the conversation 16:37:12 mike_m: can you take that up? 16:37:26 sridhar_ram: yes I can 16:38:12 janki: can't we invoke magnum using heat resources ? 16:38:56 sridhar_ram, I think we can. But am thinking to bypass heat if possible. 16:39:36 * sridhar_ram looks freenode irc server is flapping 16:40:20 can you folks "hear" me ? 16:40:34 sridhar_ram, I can 16:40:35 sridhar_ram: I can, I was booted as well for a short time 16:40:37 I am seeing the same 16:44:31 We have about 15mins left.. let's see if irc channel settles up 16:46:41 irc testing .. 1. 2. 3... 16:47:54 janki: why ? 16:49:32 Folks .. i'm ending this early due to IRC issues 16:49:38 #endmeeting