18:59:45 <zara_the_lemur__> #startmeeting storyboard
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18:59:50 <zara_the_lemur__> #topic Open Discussion
19:00:06 <zara_the_lemur__> #info diablo_rojo has updated her patch and is waiting for reviews currently
19:00:56 <SotK> o/
19:01:01 <zara_the_lemur__> o/
19:01:06 <zara_the_lemur__> tristanC raised a point about the webclient tarball in-channel
19:01:12 <zara_the_lemur__> I haven't had time to look at it yet
19:01:22 <SotK> me neither I'm afraid
19:01:23 <zara_the_lemur__> but I seem to recall him or someone else raising the same point a little while ago
19:01:35 * diablo_rojo has reviews on her todo list
19:02:09 <zara_the_lemur__> I'm hoping to have more time to get to reviews over the next few weeks
19:02:18 <zara_the_lemur__> though I also started learning the violin so we'll see how that goes
19:02:33 <zara_the_lemur__> erm I mean I am a very busy professional individual with all the softwares
19:02:37 <fungi> i'm here, just also troubleshooting stuff in #-infra
19:02:43 <zara_the_lemur__> hi fungi! :)
19:03:01 <zara_the_lemur__> I am lurking in there with interest atm
19:03:29 <zara_the_lemur__> I am also lurking on the nova bugs triage thread
19:03:52 <SotK> reviews would be great because then I wouldn't have the vague feeling of stressing folk if I send patches :)
19:04:00 <zara_the_lemur__> oh no please do send them
19:04:02 * SotK is also watching that thread with interest
19:04:03 <zara_the_lemur__> I'm just rubbish
19:04:07 <zara_the_lemur__> there's an interesting discussion about tags atm
19:04:15 <SotK> (ha, I don't actually have any to send rn anyway)
19:04:34 <zara_the_lemur__> (okay, when you stop sending them it makes it worse because I think my failure to review has totally demotivated you)
19:05:36 <zara_the_lemur__> I'll find the link to that ml discussion
19:05:54 <zara_the_lemur__> I don't yet have thoughts in a coherent enough form to actually *post* on it
19:06:52 <zara_the_lemur__> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119608.html
19:07:13 <zara_the_lemur__> and our outstanding reviews can be found over at:
19:07:17 <zara_the_lemur__> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient
19:07:28 <zara_the_lemur__> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard
19:08:05 <diablo_rojo> SotK, I addressed all your comments from before :) So its ready to go again.
19:08:06 <zara_the_lemur__> other things... i have not yet registered for the next ptg and probably should :/
19:08:37 <SotK> diablo_rojo: thanks! I will test it out in the near future
19:08:50 <fungi> on the nova bug triage thread, i didn't have a great followup to sdague's last reply there because it's not completely clear what combination of behaviors he's looking for (maybe he feels there should be task tags instead of tagging at the story level?)
19:09:33 <fungi> seems like in shared jurisdiction situations there's a semantic collision over tag names
19:09:41 <SotK> yeah
19:09:47 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah, I wondered how solvable that would be by any tool
19:10:20 <fungi> so a story with tasks for nova and ironic, to use his example, may have story tags set in ways that ironic bug triagers expect which conflicts with what nova bug triagers expect from the same tag names?
19:10:23 <SotK> I got the impression of a need for per-project-involved-in-a-story tags, but idk for sure (hence not yet formulating a reply myself)
19:11:20 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah, I'm wondering how compatible cross-project issues can be if the semantics can overlap or contradict for the same terms between projects
19:11:39 <zara_the_lemur__> *cross project issues with understanding
19:11:45 <zara_the_lemur__> sorry that sentence was a mess
19:11:58 <zara_the_lemur__> now y'all can see how I haven't got to replying yet :D
19:12:41 <zara_the_lemur__> I guess I'm wondering if at some point you might just have to enforce standard names... but I don't know how realistic that is
19:13:22 <diablo_rojo> Standard names or like formalized list of tags?
19:13:33 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah, effectively that
19:13:41 <zara_the_lemur__> though then maybe that just pushes the problem elsewhere
19:13:53 <zara_the_lemur__> ie: you get a long discussion about what should be on the list
19:14:06 <zara_the_lemur__> so the disagreements just move to that
19:14:20 <fungi> alternatively, as we've suggested before, just prefix tags you expect to only have meaning for your team
19:14:39 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah, personally that's my preferred option
19:14:54 <zara_the_lemur__> though I wonder how safe the prefixes will be
19:15:05 <fungi> so instead of the "compute" tag, nova can set "nova-compute" on stories and ironic can set "ironic-compute" on them and avoid stepping on each others toes
19:15:20 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah
19:15:52 <diablo_rojo> That seems like a good solution to me
19:15:54 <zara_the_lemur__> I have in the past used storyboard-foo, though for different reasons (at that time it made it easier to find them)
19:16:10 <fungi> enforcing that through some sort of acl isn't probably in the cards any time in the foreseeable future, but as an agreement across projects it's probably fine
19:16:45 * zara_the_lemur__ wonders how likely people are to tag things and not follow the convention
19:16:47 <SotK> seems sensible to me too
19:16:52 <diablo_rojo> That works for me.
19:17:01 <zara_the_lemur__> I figure the most likely people to tag things will be triage teams anyway
19:17:04 <zara_the_lemur__> who would know it
19:17:05 <fungi> like, we agree as a community that the nova bug triagers are well within their rights to set or unset nova-.* tags on stories even if originally set by other teams
19:18:20 <zara_the_lemur__> that seems fine to me (I also think it's probably something we can only evaluate by trying out)
19:18:28 <fungi> so if someone at random puts a nova-foo tag on a particular story, and the nova bug triagers subsequently unset that tag, then that's their perogative
19:19:01 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah. I do wonder if they'd end up spending a lot of time on that, but I really don't know and I'd *expect* most people wouldn't tag unless they'd been asked to
19:19:35 <zara_the_lemur__> I think it's pretty rare for people to give more information than they need to to begin with
19:19:43 * SotK agrees
19:19:47 <zara_the_lemur__> (I'm thinking out loud a bit hehe)
19:20:26 <zara_the_lemur__> project renames could be painful but then they're always painful
19:20:53 <fungi> less painful for sb than in most other places. can do it with a very simply update query (or several)
19:21:00 <fungi> s/simply/simple/
19:21:18 <fungi> no service downtime, no filesystem rearrangement, no new urls
19:22:02 <diablo_rojo> Everything you could want.
19:22:07 * zara_the_lemur__ was thinking of 'search by tag'
19:22:22 <zara_the_lemur__> eg: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/list?tags=low-hanging-fruit
19:22:32 <zara_the_lemur__> if that read something like tags=nova-foo
19:22:51 <zara_the_lemur__> but I agree it's not technically difficult to change
19:23:29 <zara_the_lemur__> just something to consider for those with 'find our bugs here' pages and the like
19:24:12 <zara_the_lemur__> but I also think that's the prerogative of those who want to change their project name
19:26:20 <SotK> yeah, I think if folk are renaming their project its acceptable to make them need to change a link with the old name in
19:26:29 <zara_the_lemur__> hahaha
19:27:58 * zara_the_lemur__ feels that there is consensus to say that 'use prefixes' is the official storyboard stance
19:28:24 <diablo_rojo_phon> Yep!
19:28:58 <zara_the_lemur__> now I have not really done anything but feel a sense of accomplishment; we have an 'official stance' on something; this is great
19:29:44 <fungi> it's good to feel all official and stuff
19:30:03 <zara_the_lemur__> :) I think I don't have anything else to talk about
19:30:23 <zara_the_lemur__> so anyone got something they want to discuss?
19:30:34 <zara_the_lemur__> otherwise I'll end this meeting in 3 minutes
19:30:39 <SotK> I don't think I have anything
19:31:43 <diablo_rojo_phon> Nada.
19:31:53 <zara_the_lemur__> :)
19:32:03 <zara_the_lemur__> 1 minute remaining; anyone having anything nice for tea?
19:32:43 <zara_the_lemur__> apparently not
19:32:45 <zara_the_lemur__> #endmeeting