19:00:18 <SotK> #startmeeting storyboard
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19:00:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'
19:00:36 <SotK> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda
19:01:05 <SotK> #topic Announcements
19:01:17 <SotK> I know of no announcement things
19:01:24 <SotK> #topic Urgent Items
19:01:41 <SotK> similarly, nothing is URGENT right now
19:01:44 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
19:01:48 <SotK> #topic In Progress Work
19:01:51 <SotK> hey diablo_rojo
19:02:00 <diablo_rojo> One could debate that my branching patch is urgent :)
19:02:16 <SotK> that is a fair suggestion
19:02:22 * SotK will review it after this meeting
19:02:22 <zara_the_lemur__> is anything blocked by it rn?
19:02:38 <diablo_rojo> My own ignorance is quite the block
19:03:31 <fungi> was there a project which needed that before migration?
19:03:38 <SotK> there are some projects that can't migrate until it is done in the list that diablo_rojo asked me to test the other week
19:03:51 <SotK> I don't recall which ones off the top of my head
19:03:53 <zara_the_lemur__> aha, are those written up anywhere?
19:03:54 <fungi> okay, so that would count as something blocked by it
19:04:00 <diablo_rojo> Yeah basically any project that has bugs and stuff against branches other than master
19:04:20 <SotK> zara_the_lemur__: they are in depths of the IRC log
19:04:30 <zara_the_lemur__> >_<
19:04:31 <SotK> but yeah we're going to need it merged sooner rather than later
19:05:08 <diablo_rojo> Reviews please :) I think I am getting close, but I am not sure what else I am missing. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/
19:07:30 <diablo_rojo> The sooner that gets done the more projects open up as available candidates for migration
19:09:12 <SotK> there are probably others we could look at migrating in the meantime too though, are any other folk ready to migrate yet?
19:09:31 <diablo_rojo> Craton has been chomping at the bit which is good.
19:09:41 <diablo_rojo> I think we also said Cloudkitty was good?
19:10:01 <diablo_rojo> Swift also showed interest back at the PTG- I dont remember if we tested their project yet though.
19:10:31 <diablo_rojo> If we can get a few more on a list of projects that are ready, I can start coordinating with them again like we did for the last wave.
19:10:43 * zara_the_lemur__ just remembers cloudkitty needed the user emails fix; I don't know the status there beyond that (but that fix has merged fwiw)
19:11:13 <diablo_rojo> zara_the_lemur__, yeah I think that emails conflict was the only issue if I recall
19:11:15 <SotK> I think craton was safe to migrate when I tested it
19:11:31 <SotK> cloudkitty was except for the email thing
19:11:34 <diablo_rojo> SotK, cool.
19:11:37 <diablo_rojo> Swift?
19:11:54 <diablo_rojo> I can pick out a few to test if you have some time ;)
19:11:54 <SotK> I've not tested swift yet iirc
19:12:15 * SotK has a little time today, yeah :)
19:12:37 <diablo_rojo> Coolio I will pick some out :)
19:12:47 <zara_the_lemur__> can someone note them in a story?
19:13:11 <zara_the_lemur__> I don't have an amazing memory for irc logs
19:13:14 <diablo_rojo> zara_the_lemur__, sure :)
19:13:24 <zara_the_lemur__> thanks
19:13:34 <zara_the_lemur__> that way I won't ask the same question like 8 times
19:13:38 <diablo_rojo> I was just gonna go clean up the ones from the projects that have moved over, unless someone else has done that already
19:14:12 <zara_the_lemur__> hah, I'd got as far as opening https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876
19:14:17 <zara_the_lemur__> so, nope
19:15:28 <zara_the_lemur__> updated some tasks now
19:15:35 <diablo_rojo> zara_the_lemur__, cool :)
19:15:44 <zara_the_lemur__> though one should probably be linked to a different project (the non-master branch imports)
19:15:52 <zara_the_lemur__> since it didn't block that project
19:16:17 <diablo_rojo> agreed
19:19:15 <SotK> other in progress work is my boards patches, which I did half a job of fixing yesterday and hopefully will finish fixing today
19:20:17 <zara_the_lemur__> haha
19:21:07 <SotK> and zara_the_lemur__ is working on removing story_types as discussed a couple of weeks ago I believe
19:21:31 <zara_the_lemur__> haha yeah I finally sent a thing
19:21:35 <zara_the_lemur__> I suspect it needs a db migration
19:21:45 <zara_the_lemur__> the idea here is to get to a place where we can flatten our db migrations
19:21:49 <zara_the_lemur__> SO THAT
19:21:51 <zara_the_lemur__> we can speed up our tests
19:21:58 <zara_the_lemur__> SO THAT  they don't time out all the time
19:22:06 <zara_the_lemur__> SO THAT they don't need a billion rechecks
19:22:37 <zara_the_lemur__> and since the necessary patch seemed to be 'remove a bunch of stuff nobody cares about', I thought I could probably actually get round to that
19:23:19 <zara_the_lemur__> I've -2'd since it's completely untested (and yeah I suspect it needs the db migration, since I removed story_types from wmodels?)
19:23:49 <zara_the_lemur__> #link https://review.openstack.org/451505
19:24:00 * SotK will look at that later too if you like?
19:24:05 <zara_the_lemur__> sure, if you get time
19:24:16 <zara_the_lemur__> I think it is ready for eyes
19:24:26 <zara_the_lemur__> I noticed while doing that that we have a whole load of tests that are skipped
19:24:30 <zara_the_lemur__> that we're likely never to use
19:24:41 <zara_the_lemur__> since they were planned tests for an implementation we're not using
19:24:48 <zara_the_lemur__> I didn't want to muddy up the commit
19:24:57 <zara_the_lemur__> with somewhat-unrelated things
19:25:04 <zara_the_lemur__> but those should probably also go
19:26:11 <SotK> indeed they should
19:26:34 <zara_the_lemur__> I may just send a separate patch for that
19:26:55 <zara_the_lemur__> mainly motivated by wanting to send some patch that I don't instantly -2 for a change, I admit
19:27:09 <zara_the_lemur__> it's not high priority
19:27:24 <fungi> my recollection of the swift discussion was that they were interested in using some of the worklist/board functionality but i'm not sure they expressed an interest in defect tracking such that they'd be ready for us to import all their bugs and switch away from lp entirely
19:28:09 <fungi> would probably want to double-check before pressing forward on that front
19:30:06 <diablo_rojo> fungi, yeah I was going to talk to them again about it all.
19:30:23 <zara_the_lemur__> cool
19:30:36 <diablo_rojo> I just thought it would be cool to get a larger/more lively project over.
19:30:56 * zara_the_lemur__ has not spoken to anyone since ptg so is interested to see how that goes
19:31:27 <diablo_rojo> I'll put it on the todo list for tomorrow
19:31:31 <SotK> \o/
19:31:36 <diablo_rojo> I'll reach out to cloudkitty too.
19:31:52 <SotK> craton too? :)
19:32:00 * SotK wants more migration :D
19:32:23 <diablo_rojo> SotK, I put together a random list of other projects to test here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45
19:32:43 <diablo_rojo> I made each project a worklist so if there are things that are wrong we can make the tasks there.
19:32:50 <zara_the_lemur__> then we need someone from a migrated project to volunteer to write a blogpost about the experience... :D
19:33:04 <diablo_rojo> zara_the_lemur__, OMG YES THATS BRILLIANT
19:33:17 <SotK> diablo_rojo: thanks, I shall get testing soon
19:33:19 <zara_the_lemur__> DRAMATIC TRUE STORIES: 'I migrated to StoryBoard'
19:33:45 <SotK> I already tested mistral actually, I think they are dependent on the branches patch (though I may be misremembering and will retest and document better this time)
19:34:00 * fungi is mildly worried we might get that article bookended by exposes on batboy and elvis
19:34:03 <diablo_rojo> SotK, if none of the ones I picked are without errors, I will try to find another one or two that can move so we can do another round with Craton in the next week or so.
19:34:28 <diablo_rojo> SotK, that sounds vaguely familiar.
19:34:31 <zara_the_lemur__> fungi: :D tbf would totally read
19:34:43 <diablo_rojo> This is where storyboard and tasks would come in handy ;)
19:35:02 <SotK> also +1 for blog post!
19:35:16 <SotK> diablo_rojo: heh, yes :)
19:35:23 <diablo_rojo> I can also add that to the todo list- Circle back to those that migrated and see if one is interested.
19:36:12 <SotK> thanks
19:36:42 <SotK> I suspect we can move into discussion now, given we are discussing already
19:36:53 <SotK> #topic Open Discussion
19:37:09 <zara_the_lemur__> quick, everyone stop discussing! >:)
19:37:26 <diablo_rojo> What else do I need to be doing? I have threeish todo's + the branches patch.
19:37:28 * bkero stops
19:37:36 <zara_the_lemur__> xD
19:37:52 <diablo_rojo> + code reviews :)
19:37:59 <zara_the_lemur__> I think that sounds like more than enough :)
19:38:08 <zara_the_lemur__> I'm tentative about committing to one todo
19:38:14 <zara_the_lemur__> I was meant to advertise this meeting in advance this week
19:38:15 <zara_the_lemur__> I didn't
19:38:22 <zara_the_lemur__> so... small goals
19:38:36 <SotK> :)
19:39:04 <zara_the_lemur__> we do need to think about boston talk etc
19:39:56 <SotK> yeah, it would be good to start thinking about that soon
19:40:11 * SotK is away for the next few days but happy to think anytime after that
19:40:18 <zara_the_lemur__> haha
19:40:19 <zara_the_lemur__> wfm
19:40:21 <diablo_rojo> After that is fine :)
19:40:26 <diablo_rojo> We got plenty of time
19:40:40 <diablo_rojo> And the more of these migrations we get done the easier it will be to write the presentation
19:40:50 * zara_the_lemur__ is away to some extent from april 10th for a couple of weeks
19:41:07 <zara_the_lemur__> I'm not sure whether it'll make a difference or not since I may still be about in the evenings
19:41:32 <SotK> diablo_rojo: indeed it will
19:41:44 <zara_the_lemur__> (probably means I'll be a bit harder to contact than usual, though)
19:41:55 <zara_the_lemur__> (otoh, irc is logged.)
19:43:06 <fungi> oh, did dtoryboard get added to the upstream dev track, or is there a forum session?
19:43:22 <fungi> i haven't been paying as close attention as i ought
19:43:39 <diablo_rojo_phon> @fungi: it's in the upstream dev track :)
19:44:05 <fungi> ooh, i have a talk in that track too. cool kids club
19:44:16 <zara_the_lemur__> o/
19:44:21 <SotK> \o/
19:44:32 * fungi should get to writing some things to say
19:44:43 <zara_the_lemur__> haha
19:45:10 <zara_the_lemur__> well there's always the elvis expose as a fallback
19:46:03 <fungi> true, i saw him in a trailer park outside louisville
19:46:17 <fungi> long live the king
19:46:26 <zara_the_lemur__> but had he migrated from launchpad yet
19:46:42 <fungi> sure, he had just returned from mars
19:46:48 <zara_the_lemur__> :)
19:47:09 <SotK> :D
19:48:31 <zara_the_lemur__> should we be doing any other kind of forum session?
19:48:59 <fungi> unless there's a desire to try and get feedback from users/operators on entering defect reports as stories, probably not
19:49:08 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah, I was wondering about on-boarding new contributors
19:49:17 <zara_the_lemur__> but our new-contributors tend to be from a slightly different pool
19:49:26 <zara_the_lemur__> of people than new-contributors for other projects
19:49:33 <fungi> and honestly i still think we'd be better off adding a second frontend re-theming the webclient as a simplified bug reporting interface
19:49:40 <diablo_rojo_phon> I was going to cover SB more in the upstream training this round.
19:49:47 <zara_the_lemur__> (since we're a project used by developers on the other projects....)
19:49:48 <zara_the_lemur__> yeah
19:50:19 <zara_the_lemur__> I was thinking for the side of 'developing storyboard itself' but I'm not sure it's the right venue for getting people up to speed on that
19:50:32 <fungi> yeah, if upstream training says "look in the repo's readme file to see where you should find bug reports, and here's the two we commonly use: storyboard and launchpad..."
19:51:08 <zara_the_lemur__> that has reminded me that the project creators' guide doesn't mention storyboard yet
19:51:16 <SotK> we should fix that :)
19:51:18 <zara_the_lemur__> I made a story, don't think I got round to sending a patch
19:51:19 <fungi> zara_the_lemur__: well, also the onboarding schedule is pretty much full-up from what someone told me
19:51:40 <fungi> (that someone might very well have been in this meeting)
19:52:12 <fungi> yeah, a patch to the infra manual giving sb options anywhere lp gets a mention isn't a bad idea
19:52:36 <diablo_rojo_phon> fungi +1
19:52:48 <zara_the_lemur__> (oh yeah I didn't mean an official session, bad choice of wording on my part, more a 'we'll be in this room at this time if you want us' and try to be organised and have some materials to hand...)
19:53:42 <diablo_rojo_phon> Hopefully those people will go to our talk
19:54:00 <fungi> zara_the_lemur__: you can definitely schedule some ad hoc hacking space. diablo_rojo_phon sent a message to the -dev ml talking about reserving hacking rooms if interest arises
19:54:29 <diablo_rojo_phon> What a nice plug for my ml thread :)
19:54:30 <fungi> or even just find a semi-quiet corner
19:55:19 <fungi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114703.html Forum Details Summary- Hacking & Onboarding Rooms, Session Proposals & More!
19:55:42 * fungi thanks diablo_rojo_phon for the well-written summary
19:56:10 <diablo_rojo_phon> It was my pleasure :)
19:56:16 <zara_the_lemur__> :)
19:56:31 * SotK reads
19:58:38 <SotK> anything else to discuss, or shall we finish a tiny bit early?
19:59:12 <SotK> #endmeeting