13:01:08 #startmeeting senlin 13:01:09 Meeting started Tue Sep 8 13:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:01:13 The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' 13:01:21 hello 13:07:11 sorry be late 13:07:20 hi 13:07:32 hi 13:08:01 yanyan has got some network problem 13:08:10 let's wait a few minutes 13:08:16 ok 13:08:25 anything new from your side? 13:08:56 not sure cindia is online or not 13:09:06 hi, Qiming__ , sorry I'm late 13:09:11 nothing special 13:09:12 using web irc now 13:09:30 but maybe another person of my team will join senlin 13:09:41 okay, let's do a quick update first 13:09:55 haiwei, great! 13:10:16 we have a looooooooot of things to do, really need more hands 13:10:21 and also I have invited one to senlin-dushboard 13:10:34 cool :) 13:10:51 cool, please help link the UI guy to zhenguo 13:11:07 in fact, recently i have done few jobs 13:11:09 looking at the work items etherpad now 13:11:21 don't worry, you will catch up 13:11:24 ;) 13:11:52 I am trying to understand as much as possible about senlin 13:11:52 test cases for drivers ... em, we can remove them all today 13:12:03 godd 13:12:05 good 13:12:21 haiwei, we are sorry for making things so complicated, :P 13:12:49 no, that's where senlin is interesting 13:12:50 finally, we are about to clean the l-3 backlog 13:13:42 functional tests ... yanyanhu has done good job there, hopefully scaling test cases will pass soon, after some bug fixes 13:13:51 yep 13:13:55 people are interested in when to make an namespace shift 13:14:08 haiwei, we are in queue 13:14:10 hopefully this can be done tomorrow 13:14:49 we won't be there when we are not proving the project's usefulness 13:15:42 yes, is there any risk that the namespace shift will be rejected? 13:15:54 shifting namespace tomorrow may and may not be a good thing, if we cannot get a few POCs up and running 13:15:57 it seems kolla is still in stackforge 13:16:15 haiwei, we keep work hard, things will happen 13:16:24 ok 13:16:48 just had a conf call with SUR team this afternoon 13:17:02 shifting namespace is not the goal, making the project popular is :) 13:17:06 they are stuck by some problems 13:17:19 who is SUR team 13:17:22 yanyanhu, right 13:17:32 it's a shared university research program 13:17:46 ok 13:18:00 what are the problems 13:18:26 they are helping us developing clusters of containers 13:18:33 in the framework of magnum 13:19:47 they have just shared with us the code they have developed, unfortunately, I cannot find the links at the moment 13:19:56 will share those with you later 13:20:07 ok 13:20:21 they are not only working on operating container clusters, but also on auto-scale, load-balance them 13:20:23 nice, then we can make some reviews about the code 13:20:28 yes 13:20:51 the problems are? 13:21:06 I hope julio can play an important role there 13:21:48 how to make auto-scaling/load-balancing work between the two layers of entities: VMs, containers 13:22:00 that is an interesting topic to explore 13:22:41 they already have a prototype using Docker, now they have started playing with kubernetes 13:23:04 #topic placement policy 13:23:31 Cindia has submitted a patch doing placement 13:23:43 it is based on vSphere DRS 13:23:52 but the idea is pretty generic 13:23:56 we can generalize that 13:24:28 basically, we have three layers to consider: hosts, availability-zones (aggregates) and regions 13:24:58 for hosts, nova has different kinds of scheduler filters 13:25:22 we evaluated the server-group API extension, which has many problems 13:25:32 we may avoid using that 13:26:10 the most significant problem is that you cannot add/remove members in a server-group 13:26:51 as for availability zones and regions, a generic policy can be designed, Cindia and I will look into that 13:27:01 so you can just create/delete server-group as a batch 13:27:07 what are the scheduler filters in nova? 13:27:30 haiwei, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/scheduler/filters 13:28:01 thanks 13:28:27 if you are making good use of them, you can already do a good job managing the placement of your cluster nodes 13:28:58 yanyanhu, yes, there is no update operation to a server-group 13:29:16 understand 13:29:35 I'm thinking maybe we need to get the PRS team involved in the design 13:29:38 this is the host layer? 13:29:59 haiwei, mostly host layer and also some support to availability zones 13:30:04 aggregates 13:31:09 maintaining the distribution of nodes is a challenge 13:31:40 any questions on placement policy? 13:31:56 the first step of placement policy is in host layer? 13:32:06 and also azs 13:32:29 yep, haiwei, we are targeting a POC on that 13:33:43 some months ago, I saw a demo from PRS (platform computing) team doing various kinds of placement control 13:33:48 I am not understand senlin generally well, does senlin can do autoscaling of vms in one host, don't consider the az 13:34:16 now 13:34:23 generally speaking, we leave that scheduling decision to nova 13:34:33 when we are talking about VMs 13:34:53 however, we can provide some hints to Nova to gain a better control 13:35:07 that is what the 'filters'/scheduler is about 13:35:07 so using nova scheduler the answer is yes 13:36:16 #topic summit planning 13:36:16 ok 13:36:48 for the coming summit, we need to schedule some discussions 13:37:13 it seems that the meeting rooms are pretty limited 13:37:38 yes, tokyo is small 13:37:41 hopefully we can still find some places to have a discussion, for planning 13:37:50 that will be the best 13:38:08 you'd better reserve your hotel earlier 13:38:22 need to check who will/won't come 13:38:34 haiwei: we have booked the room :) 13:38:47 great 13:38:53 although not the nearest hotel... 13:38:55 sadly, our talk proposal wasn't accepted this time 13:39:17 it's about 2.5 miles away from the conference hotel 13:39:19 yes 13:39:21 totally confused about the voting and selection process 13:39:35 it is not transparent 13:39:37 a little far 13:40:05 last time in Vancouver, I know that an India company got 4 sessions accepted 13:40:06 i know some secrets about the voting 13:40:08 sigh ... 13:40:42 anyway, we can plan a meetup I think 13:40:46 there should be no secrets at all 13:40:51 they make some groups, for compute or network and so on, 13:41:00 to discuss the road map for the coming cycle 13:41:19 surely we will schedule a meetup 13:41:37 prioritize things we want to complete during M cycle 13:41:55 yes 13:42:07 will check with julio and lisa and others 13:42:34 I dropped, maybe someone found I am talking secret 13:43:00 :( 13:43:17 #topic open discussions 13:43:32 besides you two and me, are there other guys will join the senlin discussion 13:43:58 hope xinhui can also join us 13:44:10 I think some guys from huawei, intel and vmware will join 13:45:13 anyway, with the last pieces of test cases merged 13:45:35 we will focus on getting everything together and do some show case 13:46:02 nice 13:46:39 anything else? 13:46:49 nope from me 13:46:53 3:0 just now 13:47:03 soccer? 13:47:27 you know it 13:47:41 :) 13:47:47 okay, let's release the channel 13:47:54 do your small talks somewhere, ;) 13:47:58 thanks for joining 13:48:04 #endmeeting