17:01:16 #startmeeting security 17:01:16 Meeting started Thu Oct 6 17:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:01:17 o/ 17:01:20 The meeting name has been set to 'security' 17:01:26 o/ 17:01:32 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda 17:01:32 o/ 17:02:12 o/ 17:02:20 o/ 17:02:30 o/ 17:02:30 o/ 17:02:31 o/ 17:02:38 o/ 17:03:00 #topic Bandit Bugs 17:03:14 o/ 17:03:15 tkelsey: we've had a few bugs that I think we need to address in Bandit 17:03:19 will you have some cycles? 17:03:23 I'll devote some too 17:03:34 o/ 17:03:37 tmcpeak: yeah 17:03:38 dave-mccowan: has offered to fix this yaml bug, but I'd like to do a bug squash and roll a new version 17:03:42 will take a look 17:03:43 you good to help? 17:03:48 sweet 17:03:52 yup yup 17:03:54 :) 17:04:02 great 17:04:04 that was easy 17:04:15 #action tkelsey, tmcpeak to squash Bandit bugs & roll new version 17:04:19 #topic PTG 17:04:21 who's is this? 17:04:32 i added it. 17:04:38 ahh cool, thank you 17:04:45 so this is what would have been our midcycle 17:05:02 it's an item from the os-dev mail list. the foundation is asking project to RSVP if they want a room at the PTG 17:05:03 http://www.openstack.org/ptg 17:05:25 that is a _long_ way out 17:05:30 yeah it is 17:05:40 I might have quit security and be running a bar by then :P 17:05:40 So this is the "new" mid-cycle? 17:05:43 I have literally no idea if we will have a travel budget at that point in time 17:05:46 sicarie: yeah, think so 17:05:50 tmcpeak I'll drink to that 17:06:03 well suffice it to say that we'll have at least some security people that can make it, so we need to reserve a space 17:06:29 "The event is not the occasion to sell goods or to propose jobs to the attendees -- hiring managers and product vendors will therefore also probably feel out of place." boooo 17:06:32 ;) 17:06:35 nice 17:06:38 plan. lets ask for a room and if it turns out no-one can make it, say we're sorry? 17:06:38 I should be able to make it to that one, but obviously pending approval, etc... 17:06:50 capnoday: yeah, think so 17:06:53 for February, this would be instead of a mid-cycle, except it will actually be timed at the beginning of the Pike cycle. Ocata will be a short cycle. 17:07:26 capnoday: +1 17:07:36 dave-mccowan: do you know how we can request a space? 17:07:52 Monday and Tuesday are for horizontal teams (QA, docs, performance), and Wednesday-Friday are for vertical projects (nova, cinder, ...) 17:07:59 security could qualify for either or both. 17:08:05 both 17:08:05 hmm 17:08:12 +1 to both 17:08:17 if I'm flying 10 hours for it, I'm staying around all week 17:08:20 yeah, really is both 17:08:25 capnoday: not 10 hours 17:08:29 Atlanta, only like 5 hours 17:08:30 docs, OSSN, and TA could get dedicated time 17:08:48 tmcpeak there's a form to fill out. i'll send you and rob the link/email offline. it went out to PTLs. 17:08:59 dave-mccowan: gotcha, thanks for bringing this to our attention 17:09:20 tmcpeak 9hrs for me :( 17:09:39 yikes 17:09:44 thanks dave-mccowan 17:09:49 +1 thanks! 17:10:03 #topic Syntribos 17:10:08 ccneill: 17:10:10 unrahul: 17:10:18 so we finished up our testing last week 17:10:26 I gave them a break for this week 17:10:31 haven't had a chance to sift through launchpad/email to see if any bugs have been resolved 17:10:44 ccneill wrote a great retrospective 17:10:46 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-retrospective 17:10:55 mdong: ccneill +1 indeed. 17:11:00 you know where this needs to go... 17:11:01 blog post? 17:11:05 thanks mdong :D 17:11:07 boom! 17:11:13 sicarie: correct 17:11:13 sicarie: yep, we're planning on it 17:11:18 ccneill: +1 17:11:21 as michaelxin said, we were off for a couple days this week relaxing 17:11:30 terrible, the bad guys, they don't relax 17:11:37 hha 17:11:39 :P 17:11:40 but we will definitely get it in blog post form soon 17:11:53 this is an awesome retrospective though 17:11:58 +1 17:11:59 Thanks. 17:12:13 +1 17:12:20 Great job! ccneill, mdong, unrahul, knangia, vinaypotluri 17:12:55 so yeah, check out the retrospective, let us know if you have any ideas for future development 17:13:00 cool, soundss good 17:13:01 thank you michaelxin 17:13:10 we're planning on using launchpad more in the future so that our plans are more visible to the community 17:13:10 thank you michaelxin 17:13:41 that's all I've got, unless someone else has more? 17:13:55 awesome, thanks guys 17:13:59 #topic OSSN 17:14:05 no lhinds today 17:14:16 so punting... 17:14:21 #topic Blog 17:14:48 looks like nothing new 17:15:05 although looking forward to lhinds post and one from Syntribos in the future 17:15:12 also encourage everybody to go out and write one, they're fun :) 17:15:32 #topic Barcelona Sessions 17:15:50 if you have anything to present please add it here 17:15:59 also if you know you're going to Barcelona please add your name 17:16:03 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-security-sessions 17:16:09 gmurphy is working on his - it's going to be awesome 17:16:19 working on what? 17:16:35 Is the OSSP having any input into sec' brown bag sessions? 17:16:38 whoops, got my nomenclature mixed up - presentation vs session 17:16:41 +1 Daviey 17:16:49 whys that Daviey? 17:16:58 lol 17:17:04 Daviey: good question 17:17:09 I don't know anything about brown bag sessions 17:17:11 capnoday: There were some security sessions at the last one... and the group had some feedback on it 17:17:12 does anybody 17:17:28 seems like an action for Rob 17:17:43 im aware there may be another one of those security sessions that we may have more feedback on 17:17:49 what is the deal with the brown bag sessions? 17:18:08 I mean, where are they even held? are they in a bar? 17:18:10 some back alley somewhere? 17:18:19 seems like something the foundation would have to be involved in, doesn't it 17:18:20 they film them, on youtube 17:18:23 They're in smaller rooms 17:18:24 just a room.. at lunctimes 17:18:34 fungi: you around? 17:18:35 sponsored by some corp 17:18:40 They have one or two rooms, and then do semi-"lightning talks" through the day 17:18:50 yep, here 17:18:54 "lunch and learn" 17:19:01 do you know anything about brown bag sessions and how those topics are selected? 17:19:11 I'm just randomly picking on you because you work for the foundation 17:19:25 I guess if we don't get answers this could be a ML topic 17:19:44 but I don't want to blast it to everybody and I don't know who to address it to :) 17:19:54 i think vbrownbag is an independent organization and the foundation sort of just gives them some space to "do their thing" 17:20:27 fungi: There were some quality concerns from Austin 17:20:33 i know there have been issues in the past with conference organizers having limited input into what vbrownbag does and how 17:20:42 fungi: Such that the OSSP felt they had to respond to them 17:20:57 #link http://vbrownbag.com/2016/09/vbrownbag-techtalks-at-openstack-barcelona/ 17:21:11 perfectly valid, and i can pass that along to the organizers to help them decide whether to continue their relationship with vbrownbag 17:21:27 fungi: awesome, thank you 17:21:28 what/where was the ossp response? 17:22:01 fungi on the blog, i'll find the link 17:22:13 #link http://openstack-security.github.io/vulnerabilities/2016/05/05/clearing-the-air.html 17:22:54 thanks capnoday! 17:23:03 i will make absolutely sure they see it 17:23:11 fungi: thank you! 17:23:16 you should probably watch the presentation first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOC6OqXBAU&list=PL2rC-8e38bUVvUc0oZ0RDXnzbxz5wFcJ5&index=57 17:23:17 giving them a heads up on it now so that it's fresh in their minds 17:23:34 fungi: One of the talks talked about known vulnerabilities not being addressed... simply select a CVE and metasploit it with a few clicks 17:23:49 Daviey thats how you do it, right? 17:24:02 heh 17:24:05 :) 17:24:12 script kiddies with jobs 17:24:20 indeed 17:24:24 fungi: That is us. x 17:24:38 to be fair to that talk, it did motivate me to re-write the security.openstack.org 17:25:00 * fungi was referring to people who think that just because a nids says something is vulnerable they believe it 17:25:15 fungi: yeah, that about sums up the talk 17:25:22 er, s/nids/scanner/ 17:25:28 yeh 17:26:07 this talk wasnt even talking about vulns in current openstack, some of them were ancient, but you can form your own opinions 17:26:12 tmcpeak moving on? 17:26:16 or in 3rd party apps 17:26:28 heh, allright, not fully opening that can of worms again 17:26:50 #topic Sec Guide 17:26:55 sicarie: 17:27:22 So we have published release notes for recent changes 17:27:34 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382600/ 17:27:57 I tagged a few of you as FYI 17:28:41 There was discussion with docs resources about a bit of a roadmap for this next release, so working on TA materials and doing the neutron/nova chapter reviews 17:29:02 what kind of roadmap? 17:29:07 I'm not going to have much time to work on it this month, but I will be picking it up in Nov 17:29:17 yayy, sicarie has returned to us 17:29:17 TA materials and neutron/nova reviews 17:29:43 I've been opening bugs on some of the lighter chpaters, and they have been getting fixed, so that's a plus as well 17:29:54 and that's about it for the sec-guide for now 17:30:07 awesome, thanks sicarie 17:30:10 #topic AOB 17:30:11 sicarie TA stuff is WIP. we had a meeting with Kolla today that reminded me quite how much work I need to do on it :( 17:30:21 oh right 17:30:30 capnoday: want to give an update on the work with Kolla? 17:30:40 yeah sure 17:30:45 capnoday: yep - per our convo yesterday I put it in as a note, but made no promises :) 17:30:58 tmcpeak and I met with the Kolla team a couple of hours back in a google hangout. 17:31:32 We went over the TA work, explained a bit about the latest evolution of the TA process, talked about the requirements for artifacts 17:32:30 Kolla team are commited to completing this and were very understanding of our work-in-progress process and documentation 17:32:34 capnoday: dammit, i'd have joined that 17:32:38 (i'm kolla core now) 17:32:43 no way! 17:32:58 Daviey: sick! get with inc and work on it 17:32:59 we are going to have a hangout fairly soon 17:33:05 2 weeks or so 17:33:13 capnoday: ok, keep me updated pls 17:33:14 then have a face to face in spain to wrap it up 17:33:33 daviey & tmcpeak you will have to lead the face to face, I'm unlikely to be there, particuarly if its late in the week 17:33:47 capnoday: boo 17:33:48 cheers bro. 17:34:12 cool 17:34:15 anything else? 17:34:23 otherwise I'll wrap us early 17:34:31 sgtm 17:34:36 #endmeeting