18:01:50 #startmeeting savanna 18:01:51 Meeting started Thu Feb 27 18:01:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:51 hello 18:01:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:55 The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' 18:02:10 #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda 18:02:17 hi 18:02:18 #topic News / updates 18:02:21 folks, please 18:02:26 themistymay, hey 18:03:02 #info 5 new name candidates are under lawyers review, results should be available in a few days 18:03:03 We've had a slow week. Working on [Ambari] Blueprints mostly. 18:03:30 #info client 0.5.0 was released few days ago with update auth, entrypoint code and CLI 18:03:39 ErikB: it seems there are a lot of questions about proper images of hdp 18:03:44 Dashboard bug fixing for me. Then I should probably make a loop through roadmap/blueprints and see if there are any dashboard items that need to be added. 18:03:57 could you or jspiedel update the docs? 18:04:05 naive attempt to refactor plugin SPI and EDP failed, doing it by small pieces now 18:04:06 I am working on adding test for transient cluster 18:04:25 I am pushing my agent changes through your review guys ;-) 18:04:29 Still reading into code, trying to get acclimated. Picking up tasks where I can, low-hanging fruit mostly. 18:05:04 Also working to resync oslo-incubator code 18:05:07 EDP on IDH 3.0.2 works in my env, we commit soon 18:05:08 aignatov, RE images, yes we will be taking a deep look at these issues to ensure that the images are ok. Likely next week. 18:05:12 I was mostly working on the savanna in heat, resolved some comments from heat team, also some savannaclient/dashboard manipulation with new release of client ) 18:05:15 :) 18:05:27 ErikB: great, thx! 18:05:50 I've been working on savanna cli integration tests. Not currently the openstack convention, but important for our typical end users. And, I found bugs in the cli before 0.5.0 using it :) I'll publish very soon (today/tomorrow) 18:05:53 I am working on hadoop 2 18:06:08 alazarev, we'll have code freeze Mar 4 18:06:12 hadoop 2 in vanilla sreshetnyak meant :) 18:06:19 and feature freeze right after the i3 18:06:30 aignatov, are you expect to complete your refactoring 18:06:31 ? 18:06:31 basic prototype on review 18:06:49 SergeyLukjanov: refactoring of what? 18:07:09 aignatov, I mean alazarev 18:07:13 ok 18:07:19 a + :) 18:07:23 SergeyLukjanov: I'm ok with that 18:08:25 SergeyLukjanov: not sure if all refactoring is done, anyway it is just "for developers", can always commit in J 18:08:31 so we should define which features will be landed in icehouse, should not it? 18:08:40 and which are not 18:08:53 SergeyLukjanov: is -> will be 18:09:18 aignatov, I'm ok with landing rest Hadoop 2 support patches 18:09:44 but I hope that the main code for them will be landed before the FF 18:09:52 so, it's ok to have feature freeze exception and push commits after March 4 18:09:53 more news: bug in swift hadoop driver was found and fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/1284906) 18:10:00 March 4 is the next week :) 18:10:49 it's ok to have FFEs for self-containing patches 18:11:05 like work on plugin v2 internals 18:11:05 SergeyLukjanov: with the current speed I'm now sure that IDH 3.0.2 will be merged before Mar 4 18:11:26 alazarev, hm 18:11:46 also EDP + Hadoop 2 in all plugins I think should be part of the icehouse 18:11:49 alazarev, IIRC version selection mechanism is on review or already landed? 18:12:12 IIRC? :) 18:12:49 SergeyLukjanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73087/ started at Feb 12 and it is still on review 18:13:01 if I recall correctly == IIRC 18:13:28 alazarev, ok, added to my backlog 18:13:44 and what's about the same change for vanilla plugin? 18:13:44 aignatov? 18:14:45 mm, it's merged already as I see 18:14:54 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74145/ 18:15:09 SergeyLukjanov: what was the question on m? 18:15:12 I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73087/ will be merged before March 4 18:15:13 *me 18:15:34 aignatov, about versoins support for vanilla, but I've alreadybanswered 18:15:47 ok 18:16:05 aignatov, alazarev, are you expecting any changes in non-plugin code? 18:16:12 for EDP support for example? 18:16:20 except patches that are currently under review 18:17:01 yep, we had a conversation with alazarev today and agreed to make EDP part more imdepennded from plugin 18:17:31 e. g. remove hive-plugin dependencies from edp stuff 18:17:35 SergeyLukjanov: I want to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73713/ merged, but I'm Ok to leave it to J 18:17:52 aignatov, if it'll not be merged before the March 4, I prefer to postpone it to J 18:18:21 I think that all core code changes should posponed to J if it'll not be merged before the March 4 18:18:36 SergeyLukjanov: and to make it merged I'm going to remove EDP dependency on Hive 18:18:40 the only exception - impossibility to enable EDP for plugins 18:18:44 SergeyLukjanov: agree 18:19:10 alazarev, btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73713/ should be rebased 18:20:09 ok, let's move on 18:20:41 SergeyLukjanov: I know, I agree with Mett's comments that extending plugin SPI is not good in that case and EDP usage need to be cleaned first 18:20:41 note: master will be opened for J dev. around the rc1 (end of March) 18:21:09 alazarev, ok, good 18:21:41 it's a good topic to discuss on summit - how edp should work now 18:21:45 and in future 18:22:02 SergeyLukjanov: agree 18:22:10 aand we already should be under the "Icehouse-3 status" topic :) 18:22:29 #topic Icehouse-3 status 18:22:38 any questions on this topic? 18:22:49 SergeyLukjanov: I have several thoughts about this, I don't like how EDP is organized now 18:23:02 alazarev: +1 18:23:12 SergeyLukjanov: this is regarding EDP, now i3 18:23:19 *not i3 18:23:24 alazarev, yup 18:23:46 anyway, we should re-work it, at least due to the intention to support not only oozie for running jobs :) 18:23:58 spark, storm, anything else.... 18:24:10 a big topic for summit 18:24:39 and I prefer to not hurry now on trying cleanup stuff in edp 18:24:53 we have not enough time to discuss it good 18:25:45 SergeyLukjanov: local improvements are good 18:26:18 we need to discuss integrating with Falcon & Flume IMO 18:26:30 alazarev, we have a few days to make them 18:26:55 ErikB, I think that we'll have much more slots on this summit to discuss our EDP stuff 18:27:09 I think -> I know 18:27:40 anything else? 18:27:44 ErikB: good point for discussions, SergeyLukjanov, we have to think about more slots for EDP topics in design tracks :) 18:28:06 aignatov, sure 18:28:25 #topic Project naming collision 18:28:40 #info latest update - candidates are under review 18:28:48 and we should rename before I release 18:28:53 #info we should rename before I release 18:29:27 so, the best time is March 6 - March 27 time range 18:29:45 it's a three weeks between i3 and first rc 18:29:46 SergeyLukjanov: is it Ok to have renaming after FF? 18:30:09 it'll guarantee that we'll have no breaking changes 18:30:15 and there are no more options 18:30:42 it's better than rename after rc 18:30:43 :( 18:31:01 probably, we'll postpone rc1 for one more week 18:31:22 to have 1w of code freeze to move the stuff 18:32:25 I think that renaming will take about 4-5 days (Friday - Tuesday) 18:32:45 we have integration tests, it'll help a lot 18:33:00 I think once we have the 5 candidates back, we can vote very quickly. I think 24-36 hours ought to be enough. Too quick? 18:33:27 tmckay, I mean that process of renaming repos, and s/savanna/xxx/ code 18:33:27 no integration tests for docs, though. ;-) 18:33:42 tmckay, for docs it'll be just replace 18:33:49 SergeyLukjanov, yes, I meant that the quicker we vote, the quicker we can be done with the move 18:34:01 tmckay, exactly 18:34:07 so, I'd like to raise the following question 18:34:17 how to change the final name? 18:34:22 SergeyLukjanov: is there ETA for the lawyers results? 18:34:41 aignatov, they said we need a week, it was last friday 18:35:06 we'll not wait for the next meeting anyway, so, I'd like to discuss provess today 18:35:09 process* 18:35:26 oh man, we even have to change the swift://container.savanna/ pattern, which technically means a databasea migration script 18:35:29 the only exception if we'll have a huge disagreement on final name 18:35:56 tmckay, it could be done after the main renaming 18:36:13 tmckay: yes, and this has to be tested carefully 18:36:22 neutron is still contains some quantum refs in code :) 18:36:26 heh 18:36:39 it'll be very difficult, but it's possible 18:36:41 also we should replace all images and link to the images 18:37:02 aignatov, yup 18:37:05 I think 'grep -i savanna' will find 99% of what we need to rename 18:37:15 I wonder if we can extend pep8 with a "no savanna" rule 18:37:27 to bar it at the gate 18:37:28 tmckay, good idea :) 18:37:41 tmckay: I don't think it is needed, it is a one time change 18:38:02 dmitryme, someone might forget :) Like still writing 2013 18:38:02 let's presume that we'll have N=0...5 options for the new name, do we need to vote for them one more time? (we already have a sorted list) 18:38:28 SergeyLukjanov: I think yes 18:38:33 I think I would vote again. But a quick one 18:38:35 tmckay: and savanna-db:// and many other cases we don't remember right now 18:38:44 ack 18:39:23 I've created an etherpad http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming-process for sharing ideas about what should be renamed in savanna 18:39:32 stackadoop-db:// would have been great 18:40:50 SergeyLukjanov: I think vote is good, current list is not relevant since voters needed to sort 10+ options and a lot of votes are with places 1,2,3,26,26,26,... 18:41:13 agree with alazarev 18:41:34 +1 18:41:35 btw I'm agree with too, just like to see your thoughts 18:42:05 should we replace everything savanna related before I? 18:42:23 alazarev, it'll be the best case 18:42:45 alazarev, I think that there not so many places where it'll be difficult to do 18:42:59 ooo, SergeyLukjanov, what about summit names? 18:43:17 tmckay, talks titles? 18:43:20 We have a project with a new name, but summit slots with the old one 18:43:23 Yes 18:43:29 Can those be changed? 18:43:34 sure 18:43:46 I'll ask folks to update them when we'll know the new name 18:44:54 re migrations - probably we'll just merge our migrations to only one "icehouse" migration 18:45:04 should be discussed 18:45:43 how much time should we have for voting for the final name? 18:46:19 tmckay, alazarev , aignatov ErikB 18:46:21 1-2 business days 18:46:28 ++ 18:46:35 +1 18:46:40 + 18:46:42 +1 on 2 days 18:46:48 2 should be plenty. +1 18:46:56 and 1-2 weekends xD 18:47:03 the best case is to have new name selected till the next weekend 18:47:22 +1 18:47:46 +! for me as well 18:47:51 +1 18:48:39 than we'll be able to finish renaming till the March 18 18:48:56 and have one month before the Icehouse 18:49:14 that could be postponed in worst case too 18:50:59 I'll try to find neutron's check list 18:51:06 IIRC they had one 18:51:37 #agreed setup final voting for 2 business days 18:52:00 I hope we'll not have any disagreements on new name 18:52:02 heh 18:52:39 many of external folks mentioned that gravity is quite overloaded :( 18:53:04 but I still think that it's ok if lawyers ok with it 18:53:05 #topic Open discussion 18:53:06 Sergey: But OpenStack Gravity is not 18:53:14 7 mins left 18:53:27 dmitryme, sure, that's why I'm still +1 gravity 18:54:00 +1 for gravity as well 18:54:11 gravity well :P 18:54:15 not time to vote yet ;-) 18:54:20 quick question (hi, I'm a RH QE, still learning here): I've seen the email about "Savanna graduation status", is Icehouse the target for being out of incubation? 18:54:31 crobertsrh: how is your results of the curling tournament? 18:54:32 hi tosky 18:54:49 will you play on the next olympics 2018? ;) 18:54:51 aignatov: We won our last 4 games to finish in 5th place, just missing the medal round. 18:55:15 tosky, yup, we'd like to be integrated in J 18:55:16 Olympics is unlikely, but I do know both our men's and women's Olympic curling teams...even played against them before. 18:55:34 really? you won? 18:55:42 crobertsrh: ah, too bad you've missed the medal round 18:55:43 SergeyLukjanov: ehm, so Icehouse or Juno? 18:55:51 tosky, heh bad wording 18:56:08 I have beaten one of our olympians....not playing with her usual team though. 18:56:33 tosky, we'd like to graduate from the incubation in March to be integrated project starting from J (inlusively) 18:57:15 SergeyLukjanov: thanks, so for Icehouse the project will be in a kind of limbo out of incubation but not fully integrated yet? 18:57:22 * tosky does not know the workflow 18:57:33 crobertsrh: but will you plan to play in the next tournaments? will it in the next year or earlier? 18:57:47 tosky, sounds like that 18:58:07 oki, thanks again 18:58:09 I am actually going to take a bit of a break from competitive curling (2nd baby is on the way). I will still play, but just at smaller tournaments. 18:58:21 tosky, if we' graduate in March than we'll be part of integrated Juno release 18:58:38 1 min left 18:59:27 thank you all! 18:59:31 #endmeeting