18:00:54 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting savanna
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18:00:58 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'savanna'
18:01:01 <SergeyLukjanov> let's wait for several more mins
18:01:11 <SergeyLukjanov> I see tmckay is here too
18:01:21 <SergeyLukjanov> jspeidel, jmaron, ping
18:01:47 <tmckay> I'm here
18:02:42 <SergeyLukjanov> hm
18:03:02 <SergeyLukjanov> bob_nettleton, should we wait for Jon/John?
18:03:19 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, and for Chad?
18:03:30 <bob_nettleton> SergeyLukjanov, I think so.  let me see if I can get a hold of them.
18:03:47 <crobertsrh> I'm here
18:03:53 <SergeyLukjanov> crobertsrh o/
18:03:58 <NikitaKonovalov> o/
18:04:48 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB o/
18:05:31 <ErikB> Hello
18:05:35 <dmitryme> hello
18:05:44 <ylobankov1> hello
18:05:53 <sreshetnyak> hi
18:05:56 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's start
18:06:04 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Agenda
18:06:08 <SergeyLukjanov> #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_February.2C_13
18:06:13 <SergeyLukjanov> #undo
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18:06:20 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_February.2C_13
18:06:30 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Mission Statement re-wording
18:06:37 <SergeyLukjanov> small intro
18:06:57 <SergeyLukjanov> I'm working on adding our official mission statement to OpenStack governance doc
18:07:07 <SergeyLukjanov> and I received some comments from tc
18:07:35 <SergeyLukjanov> to make it simpler and remove some marketing like stuff
18:08:22 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71045/1/reference/programs.yaml
18:08:27 <SergeyLukjanov> here you can find some commets
18:08:35 <SergeyLukjanov> and you can see a ML thread about it
18:09:03 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov and alazarev are already +1'd the mission statement re-wording proposed by dhellmann
18:09:25 <SergeyLukjanov> To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces.
18:09:32 <SergeyLukjanov> "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."
18:09:53 <SergeyLukjanov> instead of "To provide the OpenStack community with an open, cutting edge, performant and scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."
18:10:15 <SergeyLukjanov> so, we're in OpenStack, so no need to add OpenStack and open
18:10:39 <alazarev> I really like new wording
18:10:41 <SergeyLukjanov> and cutting edge, performant looks quite marketing instead of proposing our mission
18:10:51 <SergeyLukjanov> so, it's lgtm
18:10:56 <SergeyLukjanov> any thoughts?
18:11:21 <tmckay> +1
18:11:30 <dmitryme> I don't have a preference here
18:11:46 <ErikB> +1
18:11:53 <SergeyLukjanov> anyway, let's vote for it
18:12:03 <SergeyLukjanov> let me remember how to do it ;)
18:12:38 <SergeyLukjanov> #startvote Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."? Yes, No, Abstain
18:12:39 <openstack> Begin voting on: Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
18:12:40 <openstack> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
18:12:46 <SergeyLukjanov> #vote Yes
18:12:48 <crobertsrh> #vote Yes
18:12:54 <dmitryme> #vote abstain
18:13:01 <ErikB> #vote Yes
18:13:14 <NikitaKonovalov> #vote Yes
18:13:24 <ylobankov1> #vote Yes
18:13:31 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, jmaron, bob_nettleton, sreshetnyak, ping
18:13:57 <tmckay> #vote Yes
18:14:07 <bob_nettleton> #vote Yes
18:14:48 <alazarev> @vote Yes
18:14:56 <alazarev> #vote Yes
18:15:03 <SergeyLukjanov> 1 min left
18:16:22 <sreshetnyak> #vote Yes
18:17:48 <SergeyLukjanov> ok
18:17:52 <SergeyLukjanov> #endvote
18:17:53 <openstack> Voted on "Approve mission statement "To provide a scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces."?" Results are
18:17:54 <openstack> Yes (9): bob_nettleton, ylobankov1, NikitaKonovalov, crobertsrh, tmckay, ErikB, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, sreshetnyak
18:17:55 <openstack> Abstain (1): dmitryme
18:18:02 <SergeyLukjanov> I think that's enough
18:19:33 <SergeyLukjanov> #info agreed on new mission statement
18:19:37 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Project naming collision
18:19:45 <SergeyLukjanov> the much more painful topic
18:19:55 <SergeyLukjanov> so, we have tons of options in the etherpad
18:20:02 <SergeyLukjanov> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming
18:20:23 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming
18:20:44 <SergeyLukjanov> now, we should filter out some bad options and I'd like to setup voting for it
18:21:04 <SergeyLukjanov> common CIVS with N winners
18:21:07 <SergeyLukjanov> for 3 days
18:21:17 <SergeyLukjanov> to have results early Monday
18:21:28 <SergeyLukjanov> any thoughts on N=?
18:21:42 <ErikB> N=3
18:22:14 <dmitryme> Are we going to have second voting?
18:22:35 <alazarev> how many rounds will be?
18:22:38 <dmitryme> I mean the second voting to pick best from these N options
18:22:48 <SergeyLukjanov> we have more than 60 options anyway O_O
18:22:58 <SergeyLukjanov> dmitryme, yup
18:23:17 <SergeyLukjanov> I think that we should have some good options to discuss
18:23:26 <dmitryme> If we have two rounds, I would propose N=10 or 15
18:24:05 <SergeyLukjanov> dmitryme, I'm thinking about 10% of proposed options
18:24:19 <SergeyLukjanov> the voting will require folks to sort options
18:25:06 <SergeyLukjanov> but I'm afraid that sort 60 options could be quite difficult
18:25:15 <dmitryme> 6? As far as I understand during the second voting we will have to pick 3-5 best and send them to the legal guys hoping that some of them could be used as a name
18:25:24 <alazarev> so, first round is for 60 -> N, second is for N -> 1, right?
18:25:37 <NikitaKonovalov> let's sort them alphabetically :)
18:26:08 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, dmitryme, I think that we send about 5-6 options to check
18:26:23 <SergeyLukjanov> so, it could be done after the first pass if we see good results
18:26:41 <SergeyLukjanov> IMO sorting 60 options good produce very random results ;)
18:26:57 <dmitryme> regarding sorting, imho it is not that difficult to sort 60 options. Though it will take some time, yes :-)
18:28:07 <tmckay> I would be fine with designating representatives to cull the list initially
18:28:57 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, hm, not sure that I understand you correctly
18:29:00 <alazarev> 3 rounds could make it more seamless, something like 60->15, 15->3, 3->1
18:29:03 <tmckay> 2 or 3 folks to unanimously toss options in the garbage
18:29:29 <tmckay> "no, no, no, no, no" if all agree, gets the list from 60 to something much smaller very fast
18:30:00 <tmckay> Like many of my fine elephant references --> "No!" :)
18:30:15 <tmckay> My son last night suggested "Mudbath"
18:30:29 <tmckay> but I'm also okay with starting with the entire 60
18:31:19 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, I'm mostly agree with you
18:31:31 <SergeyLukjanov> we have 30 mins left and many folks here
18:31:40 <SergeyLukjanov> so, we could wipe out some of options
18:32:09 <SergeyLukjanov> for example, I'd like to wipe out elephants directly related names
18:32:37 <dmitryme> Sergey: could we list them there?
18:32:43 <dmitryme> just to be sure
18:33:31 <SergeyLukjanov> folks, feel free to propose option removal
18:33:41 <SergeyLukjanov> while I'm collecting the list of elephants ;)
18:36:15 <SergeyLukjanov> pooram, dubare, pahan, ElephantHouse, Stable, StableMaster, Slonic/Slonik, Oliphaunt, Babar, Elmer, Batyr, Hathi, Dumbo, Kamama, Barnum
18:36:25 <SergeyLukjanov> heh, looks like I've collected all of them
18:36:35 <dmitryme> Oliphaunt - I really like it :-)
18:36:59 <dmitryme> have no objections to remove other names
18:37:44 <dmitryme> any one else supporting Oliphaunt or other names?
18:37:53 <dmitryme> in no, lets remove them
18:38:21 <SergeyLukjanov> mm
18:38:25 <SergeyLukjanov> any thoughts folks?
18:38:44 <alazarev> +1 on removing elephants
18:38:51 <ylobankov1> I don't like all
18:39:29 <SergeyLukjanov> let's wait for several more mins
18:39:52 <SergeyLukjanov> elephant topic is really not very good if we'd like to be not only Hadoop guys
18:40:18 <tmckay> good point.  But it's fun :)
18:40:36 <dmitryme> while waiting, I propose removing Lift and Crane. These are mine but so far nobody supported them. So it make sense to remove them from the start
18:41:08 <SergeyLukjanov> ok
18:41:32 <bob_nettleton> "Lift" is also the name of a popular Scala Web framework as well.
18:41:48 <SergeyLukjanov> yup and I don't really like it ;)
18:42:01 <SergeyLukjanov> I mean scala framework
18:42:25 <SergeyLukjanov> #info agreed to remove all elephants related names: pooram, dubare, pahan, ElephantHouse, Stable, StableMaster, Slonic/Slonik, Oliphaunt, Babar, Elmer, Batyr, Hathi, Dumbo, Kamama, Barnum from naming options
18:42:35 <SergeyLukjanov> any other names to remove?
18:42:35 <jmaron> sorry I'm late - had to shovel out of the "heart attack" snow that fell today
18:42:47 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, hey
18:43:03 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, we'd like to filter out some options from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming
18:43:10 <SergeyLukjanov> before voting for top N
18:43:30 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, so, you could propose any names or group of them to be wiped so far
18:43:46 <jmaron> k
18:44:43 <SergeyLukjanov> I think the following could be wiped out too - TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse
18:44:53 <alazarev> what about savanna modifications? Probably they need to be removed too, savana, savannah, zavana
18:45:08 <dmitryme> agree to remove both lists
18:45:31 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, savannah is a gnu project, savana is misspelled
18:45:40 <SergeyLukjanov> so, removing them anyway :(
18:45:59 <SergeyLukjanov> zavana sounds like we're trying to save savanna
18:46:39 <jmaron> are we going with an "elephant" theme?  saw that somewhere on the page
18:47:00 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, we've just agreed to remove any elephant-related options
18:47:08 <jmaron> doh!  got it
18:47:22 <jmaron> *puts away Hadrian idea*
18:48:00 <SergeyLukjanov> additionally, there are some potential trademark issues, but I'm not a lawyer to determine which are important and which are not
18:48:32 <SergeyLukjanov> but something like Compas could be removed anyway
18:48:38 <SergeyLukjanov> (used by Huawei for their deployment framework, presented in the Havana summit)
18:49:12 <SergeyLukjanov> any objections about removing "TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse"?
18:49:21 <jmaron> +1
18:49:49 <tmckay> +1
18:49:50 <SergeyLukjanov> and I'd like to remove Safari from the list, don't want to fight with Apple ;)
18:50:34 <dmitryme> +1 on removing safari
18:50:40 <alazarev> +1
18:50:46 <ylobankov1> +1
18:50:58 <SergeyLukjanov> additionally, it'll be great to keep name length <= savanna
18:51:42 <SergeyLukjanov> any other proposals for removing options?
18:51:49 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, thx for the idea
18:51:53 <alazarev> why? the only reason I heart is pep fight
18:51:58 <alazarev> pep8
18:52:20 <jmaron> hate to add one, but just had a thought:  anyone like "proscenium"?  the stage area in front of the scaenae frons was known as the "proscenium", meaning "in front of the scenery". A proscenium arch creates a "window" around the scenery and performers
18:52:32 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, pep8 fight and it's easier to write short names, it's not a requirement, just good factor
18:52:58 <tmckay> iCluster
18:52:59 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, I'm afraid that my english is to bad to pronounce it
18:53:09 <jmaron> fair enough ;)
18:53:14 <tmckay> because everything with an "i" is perfect
18:53:30 <dmitryme> jmaron: no, sorry, do not like it
18:53:30 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, iData iProcessing
18:53:56 <tmckay> now you're talking ;-)
18:55:21 <SergeyLukjanov> :)
18:56:00 <SergeyLukjanov> #info agreed to remove "TroopMaster, TroopCommander, HerdMaster, HerdCommander, ElephantHouse"
18:56:33 <SergeyLukjanov> IIRC, there are no meetings after us, so we can have some additional time
18:56:48 <SergeyLukjanov> any more options removing proposals?
18:57:48 <SergeyLukjanov> Spectrum
18:57:48 <SergeyLukjanov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum - 85809044, Software as a Service (SaaS), namely, cloud-based enterprise software for transactional and non-transactional data, file management, workflow management, and data search capabilities; Software as a Service (SaaS), namely, cloud-based computer software for use in product development, manufacturing, and supply chain processes
18:57:56 <SergeyLukjanov> should we remove it?
18:57:57 <dmitryme> I don't like Waza, Hananama, Kamama
18:58:11 <dmitryme> Spectrum sounds not bad imho
18:58:29 <SergeyLukjanov> dmitryme, me too, I don't know Mandarin and Cherokee
18:58:41 <SergeyLukjanov> any objections for removing Waza, Hananama, Kamama?
18:58:50 <jmaron> if it already has a wiki entry, it's probably a problem
18:59:07 <tmckay> no objectoins
18:59:09 <jmaron> +1 to removing those
18:59:10 <SergeyLukjanov> dmitryme, it's sounds good, but looks like an overlap
18:59:43 <dmitryme> SergeyLukjanov: doh, ok
18:59:45 <SergeyLukjanov> Spectrum tags: aaS, cloud, data search
19:00:07 <SergeyLukjanov> so, I think it'll be safer to remove it
19:00:15 <SergeyLukjanov> #info agreed to remove Waza, Hananama, Kamama
19:01:08 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's end on it with options removal
19:01:17 <SergeyLukjanov> we should have about 30 options
19:01:45 <SergeyLukjanov> and let's sort them to have 10 options left to discuss them
19:01:54 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll setup voting latertoday
19:02:12 <SergeyLukjanov> let's have a super short news section
19:02:17 <SergeyLukjanov> #topc News / updates
19:02:32 <SergeyLukjanov> ylobankov1, tmckay, bob_nettleton, alazarev, dmitryme, jmaron, ping
19:02:34 <SergeyLukjanov> sreshetnyak
19:02:54 <SergeyLukjanov> I'm working on renewal of our config sample stuff
19:03:01 <dmitryme> I'am further working on Agent remote, today started HDP cluster with it
19:03:03 <SergeyLukjanov> and going to write some new tempest tests
19:03:03 <jmaron> waiting for folks to review HDP 2 commit
19:03:13 <bob_nettleton> Yesterday, I submitted my initial patch for the HDP diskimage-builder images to "savanna-image-elements".  I'm working through the various review comments, and hope to upload an updated patch later today.
19:03:17 <ylobankov1> I was working on adding tests for Cinder
19:03:24 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, trying to do it, it's big enough, so, will require some more time
19:03:36 <alazarev> I'm adding IDH 3.0.2 to IDH plugin, should not be too hard
19:03:46 <jmaron> fair enough.  thank god I held off on refactoring ;)
19:03:51 <tmckay> EDP streaming mapreduce and java actions are in, job types fixed up, old Jar type completely gone.  I haven't started any new EDP actions yet.
19:03:54 <dmitryme> more importantly, I've found that we incorrectly used eventlet.monkey_patch - it should be called as early in application as possible. Now fixing it
19:04:03 <tmckay> Started looking at testing around python-savannaclient
19:04:26 <ylobankov1> In addition, I am going to write  a few tests for tempest
19:04:50 <jmaron> have a commit almost ready for bug 1271349.  needed to add some savanna.conf settings so I look forward to a spirited review ;)
19:04:55 <SergeyLukjanov> jmaron, a big thank you for separating refactoring to the next patch :)
19:05:35 <SergeyLukjanov> how're planning to attend summit in May?
19:05:38 <jmaron> will explain need for settings in commit message (in addition to documentation added as part of commit)
19:06:20 <jmaron> will go if management approves
19:06:26 <crobertsrh> Mostly just bug work on savanna dashboard.  Streaming MapReduce should be ready to go.  Also, I will be out next week (gone curling).
19:06:44 <tmckay> I should be at summit in Atlanta in May
19:06:58 <SergeyLukjanov> btw, I'll be there too
19:07:32 <SergeyLukjanov> thanks for the updates
19:07:45 <SergeyLukjanov> let's end the meeting and have open discussions in #savanna channel
19:07:47 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all
19:07:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting