18:05:22 #startmeeting savanna 18:05:23 Meeting started Thu Oct 24 18:05:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:05:26 The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' 18:05:38 #topic Agenda 18:05:39 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda 18:06:03 nothing specific except design track schedule draft 18:06:13 #topic Action items from the last meeting 18:06:21 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-17-18.07.html 18:06:22 nope 18:06:31 #agenda Design summit update 18:06:39 #topic Design summit update 18:07:00 here is a draft schedule for design track 18:07:01 http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna 18:07:03 #link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna 18:07:33 in addition I would like to say that I hope to cover refused topics too but in offline manier 18:07:48 manner* 18:08:12 any questions? 18:08:14 suggestions? 18:08:35 Looks pretty reasonable to me. 18:08:39 that sounds reasonable 18:10:44 topics to discuss offline 18:10:45 I see you merged allmost all proposed topics to only four, that's good decision :) 18:10:46 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 18:10:55 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 18:11:02 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214 18:11:07 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/155 18:11:13 http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/150 18:12:25 any volunteers to collect retrospective and feedback? 18:13:23 ok, I'll do it 18:13:42 great, thx 18:14:00 put action item on me to collect feedback 18:14:16 #action aignatov_ to perform retrospective for all Savanna contributors and collect/aggregate feedback 18:14:45 the next important thing is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 18:14:46 I'll send all involved participants mails for feedback and then collect answeres 18:15:01 aignatov_, ok, sounds reasonable 18:15:16 I confirm, aignatov is master of retrospectives 18:15:31 agreed :) 18:15:35 hehe, ruhe 18:16:18 anyone would like to prepare plugins-related policy initial draft? 18:17:31 SergeyLukjanov, could you clarify? 18:18:06 HW guys went through all the stages of plugin creation. would be great if they describe this process and requirements 18:18:09 searching for example 18:18:36 yeah, the main goal is to describe deadlines and requirements 18:18:39 I think we can help, but not sure what's meant by policy exactly. Is it related to: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 18:18:43 you know i'm game for writing a draft 18:18:56 Cinder guys have the same doc 18:19:26 can you post a link on cinder's page? 18:19:40 ErikB, yep, maybe policy isn't the best wording 18:19:44 ErikB, it's about how we should handle plugins as they show up, making sure we have stable software that's easy to use and a strong community 18:20:13 mattf, ok 18:20:17 policy is an ok word. maybe ErikB and i should tag team a draft. 18:20:23 is it something related plugin spi as well? 18:20:36 aignatov_, i would expect so 18:21:14 ok, so, I'll add action item for mattf and ErikB 18:21:46 #action mattf, ErikB to prepare initial draft for "plugins policy" http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/216 18:21:57 ok, so we just need to extend that page or create something new? 18:22:29 aignatov_, create a new one with deadlines for applying plugins and etc. 18:22:37 can't find the cinder's page 18:22:58 ok, no prob, I will find it later 18:23:55 and one more time link to the design track session - http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/type/savanna 18:24:01 sessions* 18:25:31 the next item is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214 18:25:37 "What are our supported guests?" 18:26:21 IMO we should clarify supported guests and create support matrix for features in case of some are OS-depended 18:26:38 mattf, could we use RHEL now? 18:26:52 I would think that this would be plugin specific. 18:27:03 ErikB, absolutely 18:27:18 but we have some common requirements, for example, cloud-init 18:27:32 right 18:27:35 it should be documented too 18:27:54 do we need to describe requirements from EDP as well there? 18:28:16 I think yes, maybe in a separate section 18:28:30 looks like it'll be better to write an additional doc for it 18:28:38 or is it related to previous proposal of "plugins policy"? 18:28:44 to make it easier for plugin writers to understand requirements 18:28:55 aignatov_, it's the third doc ;) 18:29:04 ok 18:29:11 mattf, are you around? 18:29:56 any volunteers for "What are our supported guests?" 18:30:09 SergeyLukjanov, high level interrupt here, back in a bit 18:30:21 ok 18:30:32 any volunteers for "EDP requirements"? 18:30:41 aignatov_, tmckay? 18:31:11 I can, but not sure if I'll do it for the next meeting 18:31:30 I can compose a doc for supported guests 18:31:41 * but not for EDP 18:31:56 here 18:31:57 what about swift/cluster/ceph requirements? 18:32:03 I meant EDP section, Dmitry 18:32:17 or at least I will need to ask aignatov or tmckay for detail 18:32:21 *gluster 18:32:54 tmckay, could you please write a doc about EDP requirements? 18:33:05 ruhe: am, they don't seem to be related to guests, or are they? 18:33:10 what do you mean about requirements for FSs? 18:33:21 SergeyLukjanov, what kind of requirements? 18:33:31 I mean which processes and services should be installed/configured to support EDP? 18:33:37 EDP* 18:33:50 okay, sure 18:34:03 dmitryme, great, thx, I'll add action item for you and mattf to clarify RHEL support 18:34:05 tmckay, thx 18:34:51 back 18:34:55 plugins have to support swift. we need to outline this requirement. what is expected from plugin 18:35:09 #action dmitryme to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214) 18:35:33 eventually we will add ceph and gluster support 18:35:40 mattf, could you, please, help dmitryme to clarify RHEL guest support 18:35:44 SergeyLukjanov, supported guests - what guest images do we provide to the community in a release (ubuntu & fedora atm) and what is needed if someone wanted to also do debian/centos/rhel/other, which has tie in to plugin requirements on images. 18:36:12 ceph support: http://ceph.com/docs/next/cephfs/hadoop/ 18:36:18 mattf, agreed 18:36:27 #undo 18:36:28 Removing item from minutes: 18:36:39 #action dmitryme and mattf to write "What are our supported guests?" (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/214) 18:36:55 #action tmckay to write a doc about EDP requirements 18:37:03 * mattf gets a phone call and apparently collects a bunch of actions, yay 18:37:16 okay, looks like all main topics are covered now 18:37:31 the last interesting one "Let's coordinate our performance evaluations" 18:37:34 mattf: I understand it's a long plane ride ;) 18:38:04 argh 18:38:08 * mattf raises hand 18:38:15 o/ 18:38:29 mattf :) 18:38:49 sounds to me like at least 3 groups of people are working on some aspect of performance & savanna 18:39:11 from the service interfaces itself and scale, to ability to provision, to performance of running clusters 18:39:23 i'd like us to do some coordination on ^^ 18:39:38 i'll throw my name in the hat to help organize 18:40:33 sure, we have *some* information that we can share, depending on what we are looking for... 18:41:35 that's also something we should work out. some of the data is relevant for specific product offerings, some is relevant to the community. we should figure out how to handle that. 18:41:40 mattf we starting investigate Savanna performance on large scale 18:41:56 #action mattf to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts 18:42:14 oh, i'd like that action to include other folks who are doing perf eval atm 18:42:29 i'll coordinate, but i need folks who i'm coordinating with 18:42:52 me 18:42:58 +1 18:43:31 akuznetsov, you? 18:43:45 mattf yes 18:43:50 +1 18:43:56 anyone else? 18:44:10 I imagine that beyond just perf data, there may be some perf recommendations as part of the effort (e.g. approach to spawning a large cluster)? 18:44:51 that's a good thought. maybe good params for config to how to use cinder or swift... 18:45:00 there are a bunch of possible recommendations the group could make 18:45:09 possibilities abound! 18:45:13 :) 18:45:18 SergeyLukjanov, will you add ErikB and akuznetsov to the action w/ me? 18:45:25 I think we can add Savanna benchmark to Rally project 18:45:36 mattf, sure 18:45:44 #undo 18:45:45 Removing item from minutes: 18:45:52 akuznetsov, nice idea 18:45:56 #action mattf ErikB akuznetsov to collect info about savanna performance testing and try to coordinate our efforts 18:46:08 danke 18:47:16 ok, let's move on 18:47:36 #topic News / updates 18:47:39 folks, please 18:48:06 any updates or news? 18:49:13 Nothing much this week. Working on a few major merges by the team (Quantum support and additional component support) 18:49:15 I've been mostly fixing small bugs and poking around the interface finding targets for improvement. 18:50:02 i've been revving the RDO packages to make sure they run smoothly 18:50:24 crobertsrh, do you want add smth UI-related to design track? 18:50:28 ...and discovering some fun things along the way, such as os_auth_host needs to be accessible from w/i instances 18:50:36 or discuss offline 18:50:44 thanks to reviewers for quantum support reviews. you've been keeping me busy ;) 18:50:52 Offline is probably fine. 18:51:15 jmaron1, is that getting close? i've been waiting for it to slow down a bit before reading through completely 18:51:57 it is. trying to do some more clever caching of HTTP sessions and some code cleanup 18:52:17 great 18:53:13 any other news/updates? 18:53:43 btw stable/0.3 is open now for backporting some stuff that we would like to land into the 0.3.1 release 18:54:00 ok, let's move on 18:54:02 #topic General discussion 18:54:38 any things to discuss? 18:55:19 nothing here 18:55:46 ok 18:55:56 1 more min and I'll end the meeting 18:56:24 btw I'll cancel Nov 7 meetin 18:56:31 due to the OpenStack summit 18:56:40 +1 18:56:56 it'll be at 2am in HKG :) 18:57:29 15 hours ahead from CA 18:58:52 ok, looks like that's all for today 18:58:59 thank you guys 18:59:01 #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions 18:59:04 #endmeeting