18:05:43 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting savanna
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18:05:48 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'savanna'
18:05:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Agenda
18:05:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Action items from the last meeting
18:05:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Feature freeze
18:05:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info News / updates
18:05:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Roadmap cleanup / update
18:05:56 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Design track sessions
18:05:56 <SergeyLukjanov> #info General discussion
18:06:06 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Action items from the last meeting
18:06:14 <SergeyLukjanov> #info http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-26-18.03.html
18:06:51 <SergeyLukjanov> there was two action items from the last meeting about moving monitoring and next-gen arch to the next release
18:06:55 <SergeyLukjanov> both done
18:07:09 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Feature freeze
18:07:25 <SergeyLukjanov> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/015800.html
18:07:35 <SergeyLukjanov> it's today
18:07:49 <SergeyLukjanov> so, I'll push rc1 tag in several hours
18:08:16 <aignatov_> a have a question about it: do we plan to stop implement new features right now? And what will be with the CRs n  the review?
18:08:22 <SergeyLukjanov> and it's time to test everything
18:08:48 <SergeyLukjanov> most of the reviews are not new features
18:08:58 <SergeyLukjanov> we have one more week before code freeze
18:09:11 <aignatov_> ok, that's good
18:09:19 <SergeyLukjanov> and feature freeze exceptions could be request
18:09:24 <alazarev> Regardin data locality feature, does FF means that it will not be included to 0.3?
18:09:42 <aignatov_> I hope it'll be
18:10:07 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, let's discuss it when it'll be finished and ready for review
18:10:19 <alazarev> SergeyLukjanov, ok
18:10:43 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's move on
18:10:51 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic News / updates
18:10:58 <SergeyLukjanov> folks, please
18:11:28 <SergeyLukjanov> #info multi-tenancy resurrected after applying conductor
18:11:39 <ErikB> We're working on integrating service still making good progress on the HDP side. Hoping to be done early next week
18:12:17 <NikitaKonovalov> #info Savanna Dashboard is now using python-savannaclient
18:12:23 <ErikB> We're also looking in detail at Neutron support and what the current gap is.
18:12:24 <NikitaKonovalov> no code duplication left there
18:12:35 <crobertsrh> I think that the EDP UI is close to finished.  Currently 1 outstanding review and a couple of bugs.  I'm currently trying to do some end-to-end testing.  I'll add any bugs that I find.
18:13:07 <SergeyLukjanov> great, looks like EDP is near to be done
18:13:16 <SergeyLukjanov> I mean 0.3 scope
18:13:16 <aignatov_> this week I was working on EDP, triyed to find some bugs, and there were found :) also had adisscussions with our qa, They started implementing integration tests
18:13:55 <aignatov_> crobertsrh, today I'm was not able to delete job object from the UI
18:14:08 <crobertsrh> were there any job executions that were based on that job?
18:14:12 <crobertsrh> I will investigate.
18:14:17 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov_, let's discuss it in general discussion section
18:14:22 <SergeyLukjanov> any news/updates?
18:14:24 <aignatov_> hmm, it seems yes
18:14:36 <ErikB> we
18:14:46 <alazarev> Data locality is nearly done, it was working yesterday and I spent today on resolving conflicts after rebase (mostly with concurrent ssh)
18:14:47 <aignatov_> I got what you mean, crobertsrh :)
18:14:55 <ErikB> We're glad to see the multi-tenancy support get resolved.
18:15:06 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, yeah, me too :)
18:15:39 <ErikB> When can we discuss Neutron state / support?
18:15:58 <aignatov_> general discussions sections I think
18:16:03 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll add point to agenda before general discussion for it
18:16:11 <ErikB> thanks
18:16:12 <SergeyLukjanov> for today I mean :)
18:16:22 <SergeyLukjanov> any more news?
18:16:34 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Roadmap cleanup / update
18:16:42 <SergeyLukjanov> should we update roadmap?
18:16:58 <SergeyLukjanov> any thoughts from my side
18:17:06 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap
18:17:35 <SergeyLukjanov> ok
18:17:38 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Design track sessions
18:18:03 <SergeyLukjanov> as you all know, we are now in Incubator
18:18:12 <ErikB> +1
18:18:15 <SergeyLukjanov> and so we have 4 time slots at design summit
18:18:38 <SergeyLukjanov> Friday (November 8)
18:19:23 <SergeyLukjanov> November 8  (for clients that like smiles)
18:19:28 <SergeyLukjanov> #link http://summit.openstack.org
18:19:44 <SergeyLukjanov> ^^ here you can propose sessions for design summit
18:19:56 <SergeyLukjanov> with topic "savanna" for us
18:20:11 <aignatov_> and then we should decide which talks will be there, right?
18:20:24 <aignatov_> there -> in the summit
18:20:27 <SergeyLukjanov> we'll merge sessions in 4 slots at the end of the next week I think
18:20:36 <aignatov_> ok
18:21:03 <SergeyLukjanov> here is some info about design track
18:21:18 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit
18:21:44 <SergeyLukjanov> so, I'm looking for your suggestions
18:22:07 <SergeyLukjanov> any questions?
18:22:43 <ErikB> Suggestion for design track is to how to best spawn a large cluster
18:23:03 <SergeyLukjanov> I've already added scalable savanna session
18:23:10 <ErikB> great.
18:23:13 <SergeyLukjanov> please, comment on it to add details
18:23:18 <ErikB> ok
18:23:40 <SergeyLukjanov> #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145
18:24:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Neutron support
18:25:30 <ErikB> We are actively looking at Neutron support for a customer.
18:25:33 <SergeyLukjanov> Nikita, please, write the current status of Neutron support
18:26:04 <NikitaKonovalov> What we can do know with Neutron is tell nova to assign a specific network
18:26:22 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, yep, do you read the Ruslan's answer in ML?
18:26:23 <ErikB> the requirement, as one would expect is to leverage Neutron without requiring floating/public ip addresses.
18:26:37 <ErikB> SergeyLukjanov - yes
18:27:11 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, as Ruslan said it will not work in case of HA or at least will be hard to implement
18:27:25 <ruhe> I've replied to Jon today. There might be issues in HA mode deployment
18:27:55 <ErikB> Yes, agreed - although I don't understand the details yet. HA is a separate topic I think and providing basic Neutron support is top of mind for us.
18:27:55 <SergeyLukjanov> it's ok to add a flag 'use-netns' to use network namespaces in case of non-HA installations
18:27:56 <NikitaKonovalov> the actual difficulty is there in no access to private network of vms
18:28:19 <ErikB> Nikita - there is through netns
18:28:56 <ErikB> using a paramiko proxy you can ssh to the instance on their private network through the controller (where Savanna will presumably be deployed).
18:29:16 <ruhe> netns will work only when savanna is on the same host with quantum router
18:29:45 <ErikB> ruhe - yes, that is the only viable option to deploy Savanna with Neutron right?
18:30:08 <dmitryme> ErikB: except using floating IPs for provisioning
18:30:23 <ErikB> Yes, but that negates Neutron completely.
18:30:40 <ErikB> The reason someone is using Neutron is for security - at least in large part.
18:30:48 <NikitaKonovalov> afaik the router is tenant specific, but networks might be not
18:30:49 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, and for HA installation netns usage will break even floating IPs, so, it could be implemented only as option
18:31:32 <ErikB> Nikita - yes you are correct routers are tenant specific I believe as well.
18:32:16 <ErikB> Regardless, we will be implementing this in the short term and if we can get it into 0.3 - even if it is not the final version of Neutron support, it would be a good start.
18:32:40 <jmaron> routers can be tenant or non-tenant specific
18:32:58 <jmaron> but tenant routers make sense in most scnearios
18:33:20 <ruhe> it's a good solution. I just want to make it clear -it'll require advanced ha configuration
18:33:45 <ErikB> Sergey - is HA on the agenda for design summit?
18:34:02 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, if you'll be able to push this patch early next week than we can merge it (should be wrapped with flag)
18:34:15 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, the same topic - scalable savanna
18:34:19 <alazarev> regarding neutron, do we know exactly how to choose namespace for netns?
18:34:27 <SergeyLukjanov> we should discuss new architecture
18:34:37 <SergeyLukjanov> scalable, distributed and HA-friendly
18:34:38 <ErikB> Sergey - we will look at what we can accomplish in the short term for this.
18:34:51 <SergeyLukjanov> and Neutron and Heat and etc. -friendly too :)
18:35:06 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, great
18:35:07 <jmaron> alazarev - we'll have to explore that issue.  there should be a way to map from network to router (we hope ;) )
18:35:20 <jmaron> and from router to namespace
18:35:36 <jmaron> (the latter part is much easier :) )
18:37:01 <alazarev> jmaron, will see, it could be rather nono-trivial
18:37:06 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, netns enabling flag for Neutron support could be merged into the 0.3
18:37:36 <SergeyLukjanov> any things to discuss on this topic?
18:37:41 <jmaron> alazarev -true.  we just have to explore and see
18:38:02 <jmaron> in the short term we may be able to simply configure
18:38:32 <ruhe> it'll be great to have this patch in0.3
18:38:41 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, absolutely
18:39:03 <SergeyLukjanov> let's move to the general discusion
18:39:15 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic General discussion
18:39:27 <SergeyLukjanov> folks, please
18:40:56 <ruhe> we're nearing the release date. it's time to work on documentation, especially forEDP. who's willing to participate?
18:40:58 <SergeyLukjanov> nothing to discuss today?^)
18:41:22 <SergeyLukjanov> we need volunteers from all sub teams :)
18:41:32 <aignatov_> I can create docs for REST API samples
18:42:46 <SergeyLukjanov> trevor, could you help aignatov with writing EDP docs?
18:42:58 <crobertsrh> I can help with any UI documentation required
18:43:34 <SergeyLukjanov> crobertsrh, great, I think it'll be good to add some descriptions for EDP-related workflows on UI
18:43:42 <SergeyLukjanov> for end-users
18:43:54 <ruhe> lets create a bp with work items
18:44:10 <SergeyLukjanov> ruhe, yeah, good point
18:44:38 <crobertsrh> Is there a particular format or template to conform to?
18:44:39 <jmaron> probably should make sure to look at docs across the board to make sure there are no gaps
18:44:43 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, howdy :)
18:44:52 <tmckay> sorry, I forgot completely
18:44:54 <aignatov_> also we should have a clear description what EDP is
18:45:18 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, meeting logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-10-03-18.05.log.txt
18:45:29 * tmckay looks
18:45:39 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, could you please help aignatov with writing EDP-related docs?
18:45:46 <tmckay> sure
18:45:51 <SergeyLukjanov> we're discussing state of docs and gaps in them
18:45:59 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, great!
18:46:09 <aignatov_> thx, tmckay, will work together
18:46:34 <SergeyLukjanov> so, aigantov and tmckay will cover EDP docs for backend part, crobertsrh for UI part
18:46:55 <SergeyLukjanov> are there anything more that should be done for 0.3 docs?
18:47:24 <dmitryme> crobertsrh: we don't have established formats. I think that the general rule should be that all docs should be consistent
18:47:51 <aignatov_> I think it could be the action item to the next week: "find the gaps in docs for 0.3 and fix that"
18:47:57 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, no templates
18:48:24 <ruhe> there's a guide how-to write docs
18:48:49 <SergeyLukjanov> #action all to find and fix gaps in the docs for 0.3 release
18:49:39 <SergeyLukjanov> who would like to help coordinate doc activity?
18:50:00 <ruhe> me
18:50:18 <crobertsrh> Looks like savanna-dashboard has no existing "docs"  Is that correct?
18:50:22 <SergeyLukjanov> ruhe, great thank you
18:50:31 <SergeyLukjanov> crobertsrh, only installation and dev guides
18:50:38 <tmckay> fyi, aignatov_, I am PTO tomorrow but will be back on Monday
18:50:43 <tmckay> re docs
18:50:46 <dmitryme> crobertsrh:nope, just user's guide giving general guildelines
18:51:16 <aignatov_> tmckay, no problem, docs activiti could be started on the next week
18:51:31 <crobertsrh> Ok.  Should I add my new doc to the savanna/doc/source/horizon tree, or should something be added to the savanna-dashboard project itself?
18:51:39 <SergeyLukjanov> additionally, it'll be great to add unit tests :)
18:51:47 <crobertsrh> this discussion can just take place in #savanna, no need to figure it all out here
18:51:53 <SergeyLukjanov> crobertsrh, to the savanna repo
18:51:59 <tmckay> SergeyLukjanov, also, I would remind anyone who hasn't to check blueprints too as part of the doc effort
18:52:17 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, tmckay, good point
18:52:36 <SergeyLukjanov> #action all to check their blueprints and update their descriptions and statuses
18:53:42 <SergeyLukjanov> anything more to discuss?
18:54:27 <SergeyLukjanov> #action ruhe to create root documentation blueprint and add work items to it
18:56:18 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, one more minute
18:56:28 <SergeyLukjanov> #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions
18:57:31 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, thank you all!
18:57:36 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting