18:02:18 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting sahara
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18:02:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'sahara'
18:02:28 <vgridnev_> hey
18:03:15 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda
18:03:16 <tosky> hi
18:03:21 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev)
18:04:26 <elmiko> i *think* most of the changes have merged, but there are a few outstanding. i'll ping croberts
18:05:28 <elmiko> oh well, he's at lunch :/
18:05:29 <egafford> I think the etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon is up to date
18:05:34 <SergeyLukjanov> vitaly seems offline
18:05:39 <SergeyLukjanov> cool
18:05:40 <egafford> All the unmerged reviews are, in fact, unmerged.
18:06:00 <elmiko> very close to having everything merged. nicely done
18:06:13 <SergeyLukjanov> great!
18:06:17 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic News / updates
18:06:17 <egafford> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209683/ just got merged after its FFE, which was exciting. :D
18:06:51 <SergeyLukjanov> I'm travelling to Mountain View tomorrow and will be there till October 5th, if someone will be there too - let's have some beer ;)
18:07:03 <elmiko> i'm working on improved secret store and some work for the presentations in tokyo
18:07:17 <elmiko> also, doc cleanup in the final stages
18:07:54 <elmiko> SergeyLukjanov: you must have a crazy amount of frequent flyer miles ;)
18:08:06 <egafford> Not much. Working with the TripleO team on their development environment spinup process rewrite and updates to those patches. Hoping to return to really for real full-time Sahara from part-time TripleO by end of month. We'll see how that goes. Also Tokyo presentations.
18:08:28 <tosky> finally got the "scenario CLI tests as tempest plugin" working, going to submit a review sooooon
18:08:38 <egafford> tosky: \o/
18:08:46 <SergeyLukjanov> elmiko, different companies each time and actually I don't even have a miles card - yes, I'm lazy
18:08:46 <tosky> it required fixing them and some interaction with degorenko (thanks a lot)
18:09:15 <elmiko> ouch...
18:09:15 <SergeyLukjanov> tosky, great!
18:09:23 <elmiko> very cool tosky
18:10:24 <tosky> not so cool comparing to real features, it's just a (small) infrastructural change, but thanks
18:10:50 <elmiko> don't tell me what to think is cool! ;)
18:11:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Liberty-3 and FFEs
18:12:02 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-ffes
18:12:07 <SergeyLukjanov> open q. is about secuirty
18:12:12 <elmiko> yea
18:12:17 <SergeyLukjanov> we'll have first RC actual already NEXT week
18:12:18 <elmiko> i think i should probably retract my request
18:12:25 <elmiko> i'd like more time for testing and review
18:12:30 <SergeyLukjanov> so, all features should be opefully merged till Monday
18:13:08 <egafford> elmiko: Totally reasonable (as per discussion yesterday).
18:13:38 <elmiko> makes me sad, but it's probably for the best to take more time
18:13:46 <tosky> SergeyLukjanov: when will the liberty branch be created exactly (and master == M)?
18:13:49 <egafford> Yeah, absolutely. No last minute feature like a last-minute sec feature. :)
18:14:13 <SergeyLukjanov> tosky, yup
18:14:31 <SergeyLukjanov> elmiko, okay, thx, sorry about that
18:14:39 <SergeyLukjanov> I'm really wanting to have it merged soon
18:14:41 <tosky> SergeyLukjanov: so, the RC day is the branch day?
18:14:48 <SergeyLukjanov> it's great step to the security
18:14:52 <SergeyLukjanov> tosky, exactly
18:14:57 <elmiko> SergeyLukjanov: no worries, i'll make a CR to move improved secret storage to mitaka specs
18:15:07 <SergeyLukjanov> tosky, created with the single script :)
18:16:10 <SergeyLukjanov> any other requests?
18:16:17 <SergeyLukjanov> last second requests :)
18:16:45 <SergeyLukjanov> I think "Ceilometer at the gate" is obsolete topic already
18:16:58 <SergeyLukjanov> do we have something to discuss in  "Tokyo summit working group topic discussion" topic?
18:16:59 <elmiko> yea
18:17:19 <elmiko> not sure about tokyo sessions, has anyone updated the pad?
18:17:37 <elmiko> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-sahara-session-plans
18:17:59 <egafford> We talked about my topic last week a little, and the information is there and unchanged.
18:18:04 <elmiko> nice, good ideas up there
18:18:29 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Tokyo summit working group topic discussion
18:18:34 <egafford> elmiko: We should probably put Zaqar integration / guest agents as a top-tier notion up there.
18:18:45 <elmiko> +1
18:18:52 <SergeyLukjanov> +1
18:18:57 <elmiko> that might be for a working group session?
18:19:14 <egafford> Makes sense, yeah.
18:19:28 <egafford> It's definitely enough to fill an hour...
18:19:30 <elmiko> SergeyLukjanov: i think one of our fishbowls should be a "state of sahara" type session
18:20:18 <SergeyLukjanov> elmiko, agreed
18:20:28 <egafford> elmiko: +1
18:20:45 <SergeyLukjanov> elmiko, could you please add summit sessions etherpad with it? I have a bad internet connection and it's not working for me :(
18:20:56 <elmiko> not sure about the other fishbowl, i don't think we have enough security content to fill an entire hour
18:20:59 <elmiko> SergeyLukjanov: will do
18:22:32 <egafford> elmiko: Sec makes a little more sense for a working room to me, but fishbowl could work too.
18:23:04 <elmiko> egafford: i think working room makes more sense, we didn't get quite as much done as i would have liked this cycle, but i have many plans to talk about
18:23:11 <SergeyLukjanov> so, for the fishbowl vs working session
18:23:15 <elmiko> i could go either way, depending on what folks want
18:23:21 <SergeyLukjanov> if we sant to attract more people - fishbowl
18:23:31 <SergeyLukjanov> but if we want to decide something - working session
18:23:36 <egafford> SergeyLukjanov: :)
18:23:37 <elmiko> hehe, so true
18:23:49 <elmiko> i'd like to get someone else involved with our security efforts too
18:24:03 <elmiko> i have a bunch of ideas but not enough time...
18:25:02 <egafford> elmiko: +1; there are a lot of UX stories I really want to tackle next cycle (API 2.0 or bust!), but we can triage.
18:25:23 <elmiko> yea, plus apiv2 would be nice to work on as well!
18:25:48 <egafford> Don't know if we should have a WG about API v2 / UX.
18:26:05 <egafford> It's a very ongoing concern, with a lot of prior conversations behind it.
18:26:10 <elmiko> working group on v2 would be really useful imo, we cold cement the plans in flight
18:26:22 <elmiko> and UX should definitely be a session
18:26:37 <egafford> elmiko: I can see it. Well, I think API v2 and UX are joined at the hip.
18:27:08 <elmiko> egafford: good point, i just think there are many issues we could talk about for UX. maybe let the api discussion follow the UX plans?
18:27:09 <egafford> The question is whether we'd get hung up on specifics of APIv2 and miss the UX forest if we put them together.
18:27:18 <elmiko> yea, that's my concern
18:27:26 <elmiko> i want to ensure we have ample time to talk about UX
18:27:29 <egafford> Think we're on a wavelength, yeah.
18:27:49 <elmiko> i think most of the api v2 plans are in good shape, but we could get really hung-up bikeshedding the whole thing
18:27:58 <egafford> elmiko: Yeah, it's my hope that Mitaka is the cycle of taking what we already have and making it really, really friendly.
18:28:03 <egafford> Yes, that's a risk. :)
18:28:11 <egafford> I do love me a good bikeshed.
18:28:17 <elmiko> +1 for friendlifying ;)
18:28:31 <egafford> +1 for the word "firendlifying".
18:28:35 <elmiko> haha
18:28:39 <egafford> s/that/what you said/
18:28:45 <egafford> Anyway.
18:29:09 <egafford> UX discussion might actually be a decent fishbowl.
18:29:33 <egafford> As it's more brainstorming than specific technical decision, and customers might even attend.
18:29:38 <elmiko> i think there is enough content for it, but like SergeyLukjanov said fishbowl might not get as much accomplished
18:29:52 <elmiko> ok, that makes sense
18:30:12 <elmiko> let's at least put it on the pad as a possible fishbowl idea
18:30:30 <SergeyLukjanov> yup
18:31:39 <egafford> Done; UX fishbowl, zaqar WG, API v2 WG stubbed out on the sheet.
18:31:47 <elmiko> awesome, thanks!
18:31:49 <egafford> Any other ideas for groups for summit
18:31:50 <egafford> ?
18:32:12 <elmiko> i'll add a few more bullet points for apiv2 to the pad
18:32:30 <egafford> elmiko: Woot. Yeah, those are stubby, as I don't know that I'll own them.
18:32:33 <elmiko> oh, sec. stuff should be on working room. i'll add it
18:34:38 <elmiko> anything else on this topic?
18:35:44 <egafford> I'm gonna go with "no" at this point.
18:36:11 <SergeyLukjanov> I don't have ideas, but we have around 5 weeks before summit
18:36:13 <SergeyLukjanov> or 6
18:36:17 <SergeyLukjanov> couldn't count ;)
18:36:30 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Open discussion
18:39:05 <elmiko> SergeyLukjanov: i sent an email retracting the FFE for the secret store
18:40:29 <SergeyLukjanov> elmiko, ack
18:40:47 * SergeyLukjanov just got the priority pass card from my bank, so, will hopefully sleep this time in a business lounge instead of just gate :)
18:41:05 <egafford> Whoa, SergeyLukjanov is fancy.
18:41:12 <elmiko> +1, sleeping at the gate is terribad
18:41:30 <crobertsrh> agreed.  No more gate sleeping.
18:41:31 <egafford> +1, admittedly.
18:41:46 <elmiko> crobertsrh: although we did pretty well on the way back from vancouver lol
18:41:49 <egafford> Eh, I will probably keep sleeping at gates. Won't like it though.
18:42:11 <crobertsrh> I can sleep anywhere now that I have 2 kids.
18:42:16 <elmiko> haha
18:42:34 <SergeyLukjanov> heh, internet failure
18:42:37 <SergeyLukjanov> hopefully, I'm still here
18:43:10 <SergeyLukjanov> so, who're going to summit?
18:43:18 <SergeyLukjanov> from Mirantis - me and Nikita Konovalov
18:43:21 <crobertsrh> I will be there
18:43:25 <egafford> SergeyLukjanov: You are. We're just chatting about sleeping at gates. :)
18:43:40 <egafford> I'll be there.
18:43:43 <SergeyLukjanov> not sure that it was sent - [21:41:32]  <SergeyLukjanov>	elmiko, was never tried other options 😊
18:44:09 <SergeyLukjanov> do you probably know - does Matt planning to attend?
18:44:18 <elmiko> think so
18:45:08 <crobertsrh> Of course, he planned on Vancouver as well :)
18:45:51 <SergeyLukjanov> :)
18:46:16 <SergeyLukjanov> anything else to discuss?
18:46:37 <SergeyLukjanov> oh, Denis Egorenko will be on summit as well I think
18:46:38 <elmiko> nothing from me
18:47:20 <crobertsrh> Nothing here
18:48:27 <egafford> Nothing :)
18:48:47 <SergeyLukjanov> okay, so, let's have another 10 minutes to work :)
18:49:07 <elmiko> hehe, nice
18:51:43 <elmiko> #endmeeting
18:51:53 <elmiko> well, i tried...
18:52:03 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting