16:01:57 <smcginnis> #startmeeting releaseteam
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16:02:18 <smcginnis> "Oh, a few minutes yet. I'll quick do this other thing." Fail
16:02:19 <diablo_rojo> o/
16:02:27 <smcginnis> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking
16:02:39 <ttx> familiar fail
16:03:04 <smcginnis> Might be a small group today.
16:03:48 <smcginnis> #topic New cores
16:03:58 <diablo_rojo> :D
16:03:59 <smcginnis> I have added diablo_rojo and evrardjp to releases-core. Welcome!
16:04:17 <smcginnis> evrardjp is travelling today for work I believe.
16:04:26 <diablo_rojo> Happy to help :)
16:04:36 <ttx> ~o~
16:04:54 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: Have you tried out your fancy +2 powers yet? :)
16:05:44 <diablo_rojo> Yesterday I was tempted but I don't think I did.
16:05:48 <diablo_rojo> Maybe today :)
16:05:53 <hberaud> o/
16:05:57 <diablo_rojo> I know there are a dozen ish patches to review
16:05:58 <smcginnis> So the plan we discussed is please just +2 only for now. Then in maybe a month (?) we can see how everyone's doing and make sure everyone's comfortable actually approving.
16:06:03 <smcginnis> Hey hberaud!
16:06:13 <diablo_rojo> Works for me :)
16:06:27 <smcginnis> We would also like to get designated review days set up for everyone.
16:07:00 <ttx> ∽o∽ is also a thing
16:07:12 <smcginnis> ttx: I like it. :)
16:07:21 <smcginnis> ttx: Anything to add as far as new cores?
16:07:37 <ttx> nope, great seeing some new faces ! Release management is awesome
16:07:51 <ttx> we'll have critical mass at FOSDEM, too.
16:08:05 <smcginnis> Oh? I was hoping to go to that. Who will be there?
16:08:07 <ttx> we can talk about deposing the despot PTL
16:08:14 <smcginnis> Haha, please do!
16:08:15 <diablo_rojo> Lol
16:08:22 <diablo_rojo> I'll be there
16:08:27 <ttx> diablo_rojo evrardjp and me from the release team
16:08:41 <ttx> + clarkb, ildikov
16:08:49 <smcginnis> Great! Really wish I could have made it.
16:08:58 <ttx> I think mugsie might be in too
16:09:00 <smcginnis> Almost a whole Foundation offsite at this point. :)
16:09:22 <diablo_rojo> Almost all of the foundation eng team
16:09:38 <smcginnis> Anyway, we should set review days, but I'd like to wait until everyone is around before we do that.
16:09:45 <smcginnis> So maybe in a week or two.
16:09:49 <ttx> ++
16:10:01 <smcginnis> #topic Staffing next week
16:10:09 <ttx> With travel in next two weeks I'll probably have a disrupted review schedule anyway
16:10:11 <mugsie> ttx: I will be at FOSDEM as well
16:10:31 <smcginnis> I noticed a couple of us at least are out next week.
16:10:39 <smcginnis> ttx: You are all week, right?
16:11:03 <ttx> all week next week + Friday the week after
16:11:30 <smcginnis> Next week I will be at a conference. I should be able to be online most of the time, but I'm sure I will have a lot of distractions.
16:12:00 <hberaud> smcginnis: Question: Do you have a tool or a list to be pinged before the release meeting where I can add myself?
16:12:45 <smcginnis> hberaud: We had a ping list on our tracking etherpad, but during the spam wars I think I removed it because freenode was kicking people that looked like they were spamming names.
16:12:55 <smcginnis> Let me readd that since I believe that is no longer the case.
16:13:11 <hberaud> smcginnis: ack
16:13:54 <smcginnis> OK, I've added it on top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking
16:14:30 <smcginnis> #topic Progress on MembershipFreeze leftovers
16:14:40 <smcginnis> #link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UChiqxElUV
16:14:41 <ttx> oh me me
16:14:48 <smcginnis> ttx: All yours
16:14:50 <hberaud> smcginnis: nice
16:15:16 <ttx> So... We are almost at the end of the backlog of old things to fix
16:15:23 <openstackgerrit> Frank Kloeker proposed openstack/releases master: Release openstackdocstheme 1.28.2  https://review.openstack.org/631550
16:15:39 <ttx> https://review.openstack.org/631528 will fix heat-cfnclient , https://review.openstack.org/631529 will fix heat-cfntools
16:16:05 <ttx> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/626150/ should fix uncertainty on xstatic things
16:16:23 <ttx> That will leave us with really-new deliverables
16:16:35 <ttx> A bunch of those have been determined to be more independent or train material
16:16:47 <ttx> We only have a couple to clarify
16:16:55 <smcginnis> Lot's of TripleO things in that list.
16:17:17 <ttx> (for our newcomers, the idea here is that at MembershipFreeze we freeze the list of deliverables expected in next release)
16:17:41 <ttx> (that is done by making sure there is a deliverable file for them in stein/)
16:17:55 <ttx> (that way it shows up in our tracking tooling from now on)
16:17:58 <diablo_rojo> Glad my hypothesis was correct :)
16:18:11 <ttx> So there are still 3 unknowns
16:18:23 <ttx> neutron-interconnection, smcginnis was supposed to ask neutron
16:18:39 <ttx> puppet-crane, tobias-urdin is asking dprince for confirmation
16:18:59 <ttx> and that bunch of tripleo new repos that are supposed to be part of a refactoring in progress
16:19:06 <ttx> for which I have no news
16:19:18 <ttx> but maybe EmilienM knows if that will be completed and released in Stein
16:19:48 <ttx> NB: we can still add deliverables at the last minute, but it's more of an exception request than a normal process
16:20:16 <diablo_rojo> Makes sense
16:20:23 <ttx> like if oslo.limit ends up with something useful before the end of the cycle, it's cheap to release it since nothing depends on it yet
16:20:46 <ttx> but otherwise that allows release marketing to prepare messaging
16:20:59 <ttx> Like here, we learnt that Adjutant will probably NOT be in stein
16:21:23 <ttx> so no point in centering release messaging around that
16:21:35 <ttx> or to chase them down at every milestone
16:22:38 <smcginnis> Waiting to hear on neutron-interconnection, but my guess is it will not be part of stein.
16:22:52 <ttx> I think it would be a oslo.limit like case
16:23:00 <ttx> an easy exception
16:23:19 <ttx> anyway, would be great to finally close that list
16:23:44 <smcginnis> The good part for most of these is there isn't much dependency risk. So really the only interesting thing I would think would be Adjutant just as far as being something interesting for marketing reasons.
16:23:55 <ttx> (this is new -- we just used to wing it. So the work this cycle is bigger as there were a bunch of corner cases that we just glossed over in the past)
16:23:57 <smcginnis> But definitely will be nice to clear up that list.
16:24:21 <ttx> (that would lead to weird questions later in the cycle, like "wtf is puppet-crane")
16:24:33 <ttx> (and are we supposed to care about it)
16:24:49 <ttx> (/me uses parenthesis to mentor)
16:24:57 <smcginnis> :)
16:24:58 <ttx> (/me likes parenthesis)
16:25:21 <ttx> take the mike away from me, or I'll start singing.
16:25:22 <smcginnis> OK, any other questions, concerns, comments on that effort?
16:25:28 <diablo_rojo> :)
16:25:33 <diablo_rojo> None from me
16:25:40 <smcginnis> I've seen you sing, that would be fine. :D
16:25:53 <smcginnis> #topic Open floor
16:26:07 <smcginnis> Anyone else have anything to discuss today?
16:26:35 <fungi> nope
16:27:13 <smcginnis> OK, we can wrap up early then. Thanks everyone!
16:27:15 * ttx updated storyboard
16:27:18 <fungi> new gerrit version available for testing at review-dev.openstack.org, hopefully we'll be upgrading to that release real soon
16:27:26 <smcginnis> Ooo
16:27:30 <fungi> (no solid timeframe yet though)
16:27:45 <fungi> and i don't expect it to impact any release tooling
16:28:06 <smcginnis> Still no "f" key shortcut :(
16:28:22 <smcginnis> Was this the version that was supposed to bring us tagging? Or is that a later one?
16:28:47 <smcginnis> I'm not seeing any visible changes with it.
16:28:50 <fungi> well, when i say "new" i mean newer patch release of the 2.13 minor version we're currently running
16:28:57 <smcginnis> Ah, OK.
16:29:11 <fungi> preparation for updating to a newer minor release
16:29:20 <smcginnis> OK, I'll close things out. Thanks again!
16:29:23 <fungi> but we need to be on this newer patch release before we can
16:29:24 <smcginnis> #endmeeting