15:00:19 <smcginnis> #startmeeting releaseteam
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15:00:31 <smcginnis> Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong
15:00:41 <dhellmann> o/
15:00:43 <fungi> that time again
15:00:45 <armstrong> Hello
15:00:54 <smcginnis> Howdy all
15:01:05 <lbragstad> o/
15:01:20 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking Agenda
15:01:40 <smcginnis> Looks like we are way way down on line 518
15:02:07 <smcginnis> #topic Release Status
15:02:34 <smcginnis> There were a few stagglers this morning, but I processed the remaining RC patches.
15:02:43 <lbragstad> \o/
15:02:48 <smcginnis> The dashboard looks pretty good right now.
15:03:01 <dhellmann> nice!
15:03:15 <smcginnis> And this was (knock on wood) a pretty smooth deadline overall I think.
15:03:15 <dhellmann> so we could put together the final release patch after the meeting and start piling up PTL and liaison +1 votes
15:03:39 <smcginnis> My plan was to do that and also include the release note links.
15:03:45 <dhellmann> ++
15:04:00 <dhellmann> we could go ahead and do the release notes links as a separate patch and approve that one today
15:04:05 <smcginnis> I ran it earlier and there were several that have the page but do not have it included in the deliverable file.
15:04:21 <smcginnis> OK, that's a good idea.
15:04:37 <smcginnis> Especially as more people start seeking out those release notes.
15:05:01 <dhellmann> right
15:05:15 <smcginnis> So looking at the task list on line 514 copied from the PROCESS doc.
15:05:29 <dhellmann> at this point all of the projects should have notes of some sort, but we can update others later if any don't
15:05:31 <smcginnis> First one I will do right after the meeting to get the release notes out.
15:05:36 <smcginnis> ++
15:06:01 <smcginnis> We did the list_unreleased_changes and I think we had contacted everyone that looked like they needed it.
15:06:10 <dhellmann> yeah, and we've done the final rcs now, right?
15:06:16 <smcginnis> And I'm pretty sure they all did another RC where needed.
15:06:21 <dhellmann> I mean at this point just based on timing I think we can say yes
15:06:22 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Yep, I think so.
15:06:43 <dhellmann> we can always do bug fix releases after we're back from dublin
15:06:48 <smcginnis> I will also run the propose-final-releases a little later to get that going.
15:07:16 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Did you verify with the docs team that things are all set for rocky?
15:08:23 <dhellmann> I verified by looking at the pages but didn't talk to pkovar
15:08:31 <dhellmann> let me see if he's online now
15:08:53 <smcginnis> The presense of the pages should be a good indication, right?
15:09:02 * smcginnis is not really sure what is all involved on the docs side.
15:09:15 <dhellmann> yeah
15:09:32 <dhellmann> #link https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/release/taskdetail.html#update-www-pages-for-end-of-release
15:09:59 <smcginnis> Awesome
15:10:03 <dhellmann> I've asked pkovar in #openstack-docs. If there's anything to do I'll let you know.
15:10:31 <dhellmann> ok, he confirms that everything is set
15:10:31 <smcginnis> OK, good. It appears we are OK, but if any steps still need to be done I would think it would be easy. I think we're in good shape.
15:10:41 <smcginnis> Great!
15:10:49 <smcginnis> #topic PTG plan
15:11:07 <smcginnis> Monday and Tuesday we have the help room.
15:11:33 <smcginnis> There are a few other things I need to attend to, so I was thinking I would just send out a notice that if anyone needed release team time during those days to just let us know.
15:11:43 <dhellmann> good idea
15:11:48 <smcginnis> I sat in the room for a while last time and just got one question.
15:12:00 <smcginnis> And that would have been easy enough to answer over IRC.
15:12:12 <smcginnis> But I definitely want to be available if anyone needs anything.
15:12:35 <dhellmann> one team, maybe docs?, suggested that folks schedule time
15:12:41 <dhellmann> maybe we can do something similar
15:12:53 <smcginnis> IIRC, they had an ethercalc.
15:13:02 <smcginnis> We could probably do that too.
15:13:11 <fungi> yep, the infra and qa teams are doing something similar
15:13:24 <dhellmann> a pattern we can copy!
15:13:25 <dhellmann> :-)
15:13:32 <fungi> https://ethercalc.openstack.org/cvro305izog2
15:13:33 <smcginnis> Or I was thinking keeping it easy and just use the ptgbot and the ptg channel to let folks know to just ping us.
15:13:44 <smcginnis> Any thoughts one way or the other?
15:13:45 <dhellmann> that works, too
15:14:00 <dhellmann> smcginnis : maybe have them ping release-team?
15:14:08 <dhellmann> I can add that to my watch list
15:14:11 <smcginnis> That works for me.
15:14:22 <fungi> the ethercalc is probably overkill unless you anticipate a lot of people trying to get your attention all at the same time
15:14:42 <smcginnis> Yeah, I don't, so I think it would be more effort than it's worth. ;)
15:14:52 <smcginnis> But willing to go that route if folks think it's better.
15:15:00 <fungi> for infra we already knew we had people lining up to schedule some time to talk
15:15:18 <fungi> so wanted to make sure they didn't all show up simultaneously
15:15:23 <smcginnis> Much more needs from infra than release team I would think.
15:15:27 <smcginnis> And more time consuming too.
15:16:00 <fungi> that's because the release documentation and automation are so good ;)
15:16:02 <smcginnis> I would really only expect questions like "what's this new repository-settings thing that broke my patch" kinds of questions. :-)
15:16:05 <dhellmann> we're going to answer all of the questions in the lunch presentation anyway, right?
15:16:13 <smcginnis> Right, good point.
15:16:25 <dhellmann> :-)
15:16:48 <smcginnis> Lunch presentation is Wed, right?
15:16:53 <smcginnis> blanking right now
15:16:57 <dhellmann> me, too
15:17:02 <dhellmann> I should make sure that's on my calendar
15:17:05 * smcginnis pulls up his schedule
15:17:23 <dhellmann> lunch is 12:30-1:30?
15:17:43 <smcginnis> Yep
15:17:55 <dhellmann> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch has it thursday (at the bottom of the page)
15:18:00 <dhellmann> but I don't know if that's right
15:18:04 <dhellmann> I should look for ttx's email
15:18:17 <smcginnis> I don't think his specified, just said there would be presentations.
15:18:37 <smcginnis> Let's plan on Thursday but be ready Wednesday just in case.
15:18:38 <dhellmann> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127316.html
15:18:39 <dhellmann> that has us thursday, too
15:18:55 <smcginnis> Oh, there it is. I tried looking but only found a different post.
15:19:04 <smcginnis> Perfect, that gives some time.
15:19:54 <smcginnis> Wednesday at some point we will just find a spot and process the final release.
15:20:06 <dhellmann> yeah
15:20:33 <dhellmann> the nova retrospective is wednesday morning and I'd like to try to go to that, so maybe ~9:30?
15:20:36 <smcginnis> Thursday is also the cycle-trailing RC deadline, but that should be pretty minor.
15:20:52 <smcginnis> dhellmann: I was planning to attend that as well.
15:21:09 <smcginnis> I've heard both 9-9:30 and 9-10, but we can circle up whenever it actually ends.
15:21:15 <dhellmann> yeah
15:21:26 <fungi> remember to give annabelleB a heads up when you settle on a time
15:21:46 <smcginnis> fungi: Oh, good point. I will email her today to let her know what we are thinking.
15:22:05 <fungi> also give me a heads up in case you need someone to reenqueue or troubleshoot anything on tight notice ;)
15:22:32 <fungi> i'll either camp out with you or at least pay close attention in irc
15:22:36 <smcginnis> fungi: Did you want to join us? Or just let you know when we are about to so you are at the ready?
15:22:41 <fungi> depending on what else is going on at that time
15:22:53 <smcginnis> OK, I will ping you ahead of time and you can decide.
15:23:34 <fungi> thanks. schedules seem to be a little fluid still, but i anticipate just being there for the process unless something else is pressing
15:23:59 <smcginnis> It is always hard to set concrete schedules for these weeks.
15:24:31 <smcginnis> Anything else for next week we should all be aware of?
15:24:59 <smcginnis> I was wondering if Tuesday evening might work to get everyone out and buy a round?
15:25:29 <fungi> i think the infra team is doing dinner that nught, but depending on timing it could work
15:25:36 <fungi> s/naught/night/
15:25:44 <dhellmann> the mixer is tuesday, isn't it?
15:26:25 * fungi consults trusty ptg.o.o site
15:26:34 <smcginnis> Yep
15:26:39 <smcginnis> And the sing along. :)
15:26:52 * dhellmann did not put the sing along on his calendar
15:27:08 * smcginnis wants to see dhellmann singing
15:27:19 * dhellmann thinks smcginnis will end up waiting a long time
15:27:24 <smcginnis> :)
15:27:29 * lbragstad waits with smcginnis
15:27:53 <fungi> i was going to be a music major, but couldn't make it out of first year sight-signing
15:27:55 <smcginnis> Wednesday I am supposed to have a work dinner, but I can miss that or be late if that works. We can play it by ear next week.
15:28:09 <lbragstad> fungi i minored in music - that class was the death of me
15:28:12 <fungi> er, sight-singing
15:28:21 <fungi> sight signing would be something else entirely
15:28:41 * fungi curses finger memory
15:28:53 <dhellmann> looking at the schedule, I'm wondering what happened to "no formal scheduled evening events"
15:29:22 <smcginnis> I think there were a bunch of people saying they wanted a formal scheduled evening event. ;)
15:29:34 <smcginnis> Or semi-formal.
15:29:41 <dhellmann> maybe we can go out one afternoon and make snowmen in the park or something
15:30:04 <smcginnis> Supposed to be snow, so that's possible.
15:30:09 <dhellmann> right
15:30:11 <fungi> #release next drunken snowmen in the park
15:30:18 <smcginnis> Haha
15:30:35 * dhellmann adds "snowman" to the list of S names
15:30:48 <fungi> has to come with a photo
15:31:04 <smcginnis> Pics or it didn't happen.
15:31:09 <dhellmann> Schneemann is exactly 10 letters, so that works
15:31:11 <smcginnis> OK, anything else for today?
15:31:25 <smcginnis> I'm liking Stein.
15:31:36 <dhellmann> I don't have anything else
15:31:37 <fungi> i predicted that would be the winnar
15:31:57 <dhellmann> we have a pretty good track record of picking the least cool name on the list
15:32:03 <dhellmann> people need to campaign if they want stein :-)
15:32:14 <smcginnis> I've felt the same way too.
15:32:26 <smcginnis> Just think of the marketing swag. It's a no brainer.
15:32:28 <persia> It may be that some folk vote for non-cool in part because they are thinking about productisation.
15:32:40 <fungi> i'll add a unicode stein
15:32:45 <persia> Words that mean things are dangerous in that context.
15:32:53 <smcginnis> Bleh
15:32:54 <smcginnis> :)
15:32:58 * dhellmann wonders which words don't mean anything
15:33:21 <smcginnis> Alright, let's wrap up then and get back to it. Thanks everyone.
15:33:27 <dhellmann> o/
15:33:29 <smcginnis> #endmeeting