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15:00:19 <smcginnis> Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx
15:00:27 <lbragstad> o/
15:00:44 <smcginnis> Morning lbragstad.
15:00:55 <smcginnis> lbragstad: Any snow up there yet? :D
15:01:02 <lbragstad> smcginnis: not yet!
15:01:17 <ttx> ohai
15:01:48 <smcginnis> Settled back home ttx?
15:02:20 <ttx> yes yes
15:02:23 <fungi> i'm here, but not here
15:02:46 <smcginnis> fungi: You've got more important things to focus on at the moment, I'm sure.
15:02:53 <dims> o/
15:03:11 <smcginnis> Hey dims. OK, at least a few of us here. Guess I can get going.
15:03:22 <smcginnis> Meeting agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking
15:03:30 <smcginnis> We're at R-22.
15:03:46 <smcginnis> #topic Fixing ACLs
15:04:00 <smcginnis> ttx: I see it as a task. Want to mention anything here?
15:04:41 <ttx> yes
15:05:04 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507924/1 TripleO stable:follows-policy tag removal
15:05:04 <patchbot> patch 507924 - governance - Remove stable:follows-policy tag from TripleO
15:05:17 <ttx> The reason why we wanted to align groups and ACLs there was that they followed stable-policy
15:05:39 <ttx> However there are signs that they might not want to align with stable-policy
15:05:52 <ttx> OR that the tag doesn't mean much when applied to them
15:06:06 <smcginnis> It does seem more applicable to service projects.
15:06:16 <ttx> TripleO asked to drop it the tag, and I'm wondering if Kolla should not do the same really
15:06:45 <ttx> As an aggregator for other functionality, deployments projects are not that good of a fit
15:07:02 <ttx> Like look up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506944/1
15:07:03 <patchbot> patch 506944 - kolla (stable/pike) - Bump OpenStack service version (MERGED)
15:07:10 <ttx> That's a Kolla stable patch
15:07:13 <smcginnis> Doesn't look like inc0 is around. Would be good to raise that to him.
15:07:21 <ttx> bumping stable versions for included projects
15:07:29 <ttx> Some of those do not follow stable policy though
15:07:56 <ttx> so what does stable-policy mean for Kolla ? That there will be no new feature in Kolla itself ?
15:08:08 <ttx> I think it's not a great match basically
15:08:13 <smcginnis> I agree.
15:08:31 <ttx> And with the bucketing coming up I think it would be appropriate to use that bucketing to apply slightly different rules to stuff
15:08:40 <ttx> For example, we have cycle-trailing
15:08:42 <smcginnis> I think tonyb was going to try to have a discussion at the forum about how to handle these, IIRC.
15:08:52 <fungi> from a governance perspective, maybe the stable team wants to define a deployment project policy and we can have a separate tag for that so they don't feel left out
15:08:58 <ttx> It really only applies to lifecycle/deployments projects really
15:09:10 <smcginnis> fungi: That's kind of how I'm leaning at this point.
15:09:40 <ttx> right. Anyway, in the mean time, it might not be the best moment overall to change teams or ACLs
15:09:50 <fungi> at least i recall kolla's push for adding the stable policy tag was so they could be seen as more like other openstack projects
15:10:06 <ttx> yes
15:10:21 <ttx> So I wanted to raise it in meeting to see what you thought about it
15:10:27 <ttx> no immediate action really
15:10:36 <ttx> more of a good excuse to stall on my action
15:10:49 <smcginnis> Yeah, good to raise awareness on that.
15:11:07 <smcginnis> I agree, not much point in worrying about ACLs until it's sorted.
15:11:46 <smcginnis> #topic Current status
15:11:54 <ttx> but since we'll define various buckets for openstack projects to fit in, we can certainly have slightly different rules for each. like allowing deployment projects to release after release
15:12:16 <ttx> when it was all one big box it was harder to say that
15:12:16 <smcginnis> Greater than the two week cycle-trailing.
15:12:47 <ttx> anyway that's all I had
15:12:49 <smcginnis> ttx: How's the bucketing going? Any updates since Denver?
15:13:19 <ttx> we had some good feedback that i'd like to integrate. Couldn't sync with lsell this week due to travel
15:13:44 <smcginnis> Cool. I like the direction it was going. I think that could be useful.
15:15:19 <smcginnis> fungi: Want to say anything about zuulv3? Feel free to say no. :)
15:16:11 <fungi> it's here
15:16:16 <fungi> the future is now?
15:16:27 <smcginnis> fungi: Will the world be unbroken any time soon. :]
15:16:47 <fungi> it's getting incrementally unbroken, so i have hopes things will be mostly stable going into the weekend
15:17:16 <smcginnis> Great. I'm sure the team would be happy if they can enjoy their weekend.
15:17:17 <fungi> the hang in running jobs today was fallout from nodepool filling up its disk and freaking out zookeeper
15:17:32 <smcginnis> Darn storage.
15:17:39 <fungi> which resulted in an unhandled deadlock in zuul. patch is in the process of being merged now and zuul will be restarted shortly for that
15:18:06 <fungi> i believe we're going to attempt to reenqueue everything zuul currently has in flight so hopefully rechecking won't be needed
15:18:30 <fungi> but... we've not actually tried a mass reenqueue after restart with v3 yet, so fingers crossed
15:18:55 <smcginnis> fungi: Cool, will be good to see things moving again. Thanks for the update.
15:19:13 <smcginnis> Anyone else have anything to bring up?
15:19:20 <fungi> also mordred is sending (has now sent?) an update to the -dev ml with a breakdown of teh current situation as far as job stability is concerned, with links to faqs in progress and tips/tricks
15:19:36 * lbragstad goes to find that note
15:19:45 <smcginnis> Oh good.
15:20:18 <fungi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122886.html Update on Zuul v3 Migration - and what to do about issues
15:20:24 <fungi> lbragstad: ^
15:20:45 <lbragstad> fungi: thanks!
15:21:33 <smcginnis> OK, anything else for today's meeting?
15:22:11 <fungi> nothing from me
15:22:18 <ttx> nope
15:23:08 <smcginnis> OK, guess that's it. Hopefully a little more going next week. Getting close to Q-1.
15:23:16 <smcginnis> Thanks everyone. Have a good weekend.
15:23:32 <smcginnis> #endmeeting