22:16:57 <rockyg> #startmeeting RefStack
22:16:58 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Feb 13 22:16:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:17:12 <rockyg> OK.  We're Started.
22:17:25 <catherineD> CatherineD is here
22:18:33 <rockyg> #link  http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.07.html
22:19:17 <rockyg> Roll call again to get it in the minutes:  catherineD?
22:19:30 <catherineD> Here
22:19:30 <RaymondWong> RaymondWong
22:19:33 <rockyg> Anyone Else?
22:19:37 <zehicle_at_dell> o/
22:19:46 <teDC> :)
22:19:58 <rockyg> Excellent.  Let's start with Status.  Tcup?
22:20:07 <rockyg> #topic Tcup
22:20:52 <rockyg> Catherine, Raymond, Alex_H, any status on Tcup, tempest, etc?
22:21:05 <catherineD> t-cup (Docker) working last step is to call API and script to ship data from container to Refstack
22:21:40 <catherineD> Now configure with a number of  testcases that only take 33 sec to finish for debug
22:21:43 <rockyg> Cool.  so this is the connect with Davidlenwell s stuff
22:21:56 <catherineD> yes
22:22:00 <davidlenwell> Hi everyone
22:22:37 <rockyg> Hey, davidlenwell, did you catch the last from catherineD?
22:23:17 <davidlenwell> catherineD and I synced earlier today .. so we should be on teh same page
22:23:26 <rockyg> Where does the code live?
22:23:45 <rockyg> And can anyone build it?
22:24:00 <zehicle_at_dell> Alex has the code, but he needs direction on where to put it
22:24:20 <davidlenwell> I instructed him to make a git hub repo weeks ago
22:24:34 <zehicle_at_dell> he may need more help, where do you want it
22:24:44 <rockyg> And that was an action item from last week:  Will it go to stackforge or directly into openstack?
22:24:52 <davidlenwell> neither for now
22:24:54 <zehicle_at_dell> I can work w/ him 1x1
22:25:22 <davidlenwell> I'd like it if it was a stand alone repository called docker-tempest or something to that effect
22:25:45 <zehicle_at_dell> we could do that
22:25:50 <davidlenwell> catherineD and I talked earlier about keeping scripts in the refstack repository for now
22:25:56 <zehicle_at_dell> what about refstack-tcup?
22:26:01 <davidlenwell> there is a scripts directory I believe .. it could just be put there
22:26:27 <zehicle_at_dell> davidlenwell, I think I'd rahter keep it in the refstack for now
22:26:35 <davidlenwell> I like that
22:26:38 <rockyg> OK.  I really think that we should get it into stackforge.  A colleague I plan to introduce next week can help tie it into the CI.  We can do no voting until we call it.  Until then, one of the existing refstack repositories.  I agree with refstack.
22:26:44 <zehicle_at_dell> so, it would be controlled by the gates
22:26:47 <zehicle_at_dell> rockyg, +1
22:26:47 <davidlenwell> so what he should do is fork refstack from me
22:26:55 <rockyg> I type too much.
22:26:59 <zehicle_at_dell> I will show him how to do that
22:26:59 <davidlenwell> rockyg: we will ..
22:27:15 <davidlenwell> zehicle_at_dell: then have him add the script .. commit and send a pull request
22:27:25 <catherineD> Rigjt now we are working on building config file from default file .. once that is done any one can run t-cup
22:27:28 <zehicle_at_dell> :) time he learned how to do that anyway
22:27:32 <rockyg> Great.
22:27:42 <davidlenwell> rockyg:  I absolutely want this in stackforge .. but we are a little too dissorgiized just yet
22:27:49 <catherineD> David should we show the doc that we discuss this morning ..
22:27:53 <davidlenwell> I am hoping by the begining of march we can do that
22:28:16 <davidlenwell> catherineD: perhaps .
22:28:28 <catherineD> Raymond could you ping the link ...
22:28:34 <davidlenwell> catherineD and I had a phone conversation earlier and identified the area they can contribute to
22:28:44 <catherineD> that way we can ping point the script that need to be written ..
22:28:59 <rockyg> Jerry, the guy I mentioned, just got one of our projects working in Stackforge.  He shephearded along from just a repository to running unit tests now.  voting but not blocking.
22:29:18 <davidlenwell> we don't have tests yet
22:29:27 <RaymondWong> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw1YqO1DEg6SbUxwQ1NraFpFaXc/edit?usp=sharing
22:29:32 <davidlenwell> and we are about to rewrite a lot of things .. which I guess is fine to do in stackforge
22:29:42 <rockyg> So, no need for the test stuff, but still CI.
22:30:46 <rockyg> Just skimmed the doc.  I'll review it this week and maybe comment.  Looks good, at the high level, though
22:31:48 <rockyg> How about we get the current code all into repositories and the structure we want and when CatherineD, RaymondWong and davidlenwell say it's good enough, we do the transfer?
22:32:04 <davidlenwell> rockyg: +1
22:32:34 <rockyg> #ActionItem Tcup and API devs provide repository location and date to transfer to Stackforge.
22:33:20 <rockyg> We'll need to know how many repositories and names to go with them for stackforge.
22:33:36 <davidlenwell> if we keep it all in the same repo that gets easier
22:33:44 <rockyg> +1
22:33:49 <davidlenwell> we can always split things off later on
22:33:57 <rockyg> Ready for next topic?  API and DB okay?
22:34:29 <davidlenwell> sure
22:34:44 <rockyg> #topic API and DB
22:35:45 <rockyg> I kinda hope someone is typing status or something in;-)
22:36:13 <davidlenwell> So the api and cb are in the same state as last week ..
22:36:43 <davidlenwell> I was told I could stop working on this spike I've been on .. then the next day our ceo said no dice .. get back on it .. honestly its stressing me out a bit because refstack is my baby
22:37:45 <rockyg> davidlenwell:  OK.  It looks like a review of the API calls in the google doc posted above would be good if you haven't already.  That gives us some;-)
22:38:38 <davidlenwell> yeah .. we talked about that one the phone today with catherineD and RaymondWong... some of those aren't needed .. and we've planned some facetime next week while I am in town.. so i imagine we'll nail them down
22:38:49 <rockyg> I think as long as you can keep providing some mentoring to the rest, we're doing fine.
22:39:00 <davidlenwell> yeah .. progress is happening
22:39:04 <davidlenwell> which makes me happy
22:39:16 <rockyg> Ready for next topic?  Documentation ok?
22:39:20 <davidlenwell> sure
22:39:32 <rockyg> #topic Documentation
22:39:41 <zehicle_at_dell> let's add a topic for meetings
22:39:45 <catherineD> We discussed with David.  In the Google doc we will work on the Test and Results processsing but need the dependency section ...
22:40:22 <rockyg> Great.  I'm itching to glue all these bits of information together.
22:41:05 <rockyg> If it's OK by everybody, I'll start a RefStack page on the OpenStack Wiki and start some wordsmithing and capturing all the links.
22:41:09 <davidlenwell> I am all for writing as much documentation abotu this stuff as possible .. and we can go in depth but what I feel like is missing is the intro to refstack higher level document
22:41:19 <davidlenwell> rockyg: please do
22:41:27 <zehicle_at_dell> I created a stub for that last meeting
22:41:43 <rockyg> Agreed. Cool.  Not the one under governance?
22:41:53 <zehicle_at_dell> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/DefCoreCommittee/RefStack
22:42:07 <davidlenwell> I saw the governance one .. not  one for high level engineering .. or intro to
22:42:59 <rockyg> OK.  I think Governance is the even higher level.  Mission, etc.  I'll link more technical homepage to that one so once this one is found, you can follow to techy stuff if you want.
22:43:20 <zehicle_at_dell> let's start w/ something and we can divide as we go
22:43:28 <rockyg> I'll also put the skeleton into the governance one to match what is expected.
22:43:28 <davidlenwell> sounds good
22:43:30 <zehicle_at_dell> governance will be tied to DefCore, so that should be interested
22:43:32 <zehicle_at_dell> interesting
22:43:54 <rockyg> yeah, been following that discussion;-)
22:44:13 <rockyg> OK, ready for meeting topic?
22:44:20 <davidlenwell> sure
22:44:31 <rockyg> #topic Meetings
22:44:53 <davidlenwell> are we talking about meetings like this one .. or some face time in the bay area?
22:44:55 <catherineD> BTW, since Raymond will be working on Tempest Result processing ... Has DefCore had any mapping among capability and testcases?
22:45:09 <zehicle_at_dell> yes
22:45:20 <catherineD> We need a modlel to start coding
22:45:45 <zehicle_at_dell> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av62KoL8f9kAdEJTWnFWejJySnFXZmxWdnowTDhUSVE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
22:45:56 <zehicle_at_dell> we have the capabilities map per test
22:46:05 <rockyg> mapping:  there are a couple of PTLs that will be starting on that real soon now
22:46:09 <zehicle_at_dell> working on picking the must-pass (that's a lot of work)
22:46:23 <zehicle_at_dell> would be GREAT to have help
22:47:38 <rockyg> You betcha.  How about we have a meeting and pick out some obvious need to haves and start building strawman model?
22:48:04 <zehicle_at_dell> rockyg, yes!  I will set one up.  We're overdue to a criteria meeting
22:48:17 <zehicle_at_dell> will likely be 2 hours next week.
22:48:27 <catherineD> what is column I in the spreadsheet
22:48:32 <zehicle_at_dell> you're welcome to review in that spread sheet
22:49:03 <zehicle_at_dell> # of tests in the capability (I think)
22:49:09 <zehicle_at_dell> I did J->W
22:49:57 <rockyg> I'm not seeing *any* of those columns ;-(
22:50:04 <rockyg> :-(
22:50:50 <zehicle_at_dell> see? Score	Stable	Complete	Discoverable	IaaS	Tools	Clients	Foundation	Future	Doc'd	Legacy	Cluster	Base	Public
22:50:55 <zehicle_at_dell> row 2?
22:51:27 <rockyg> Doh!  The grey tabs at the bottom.
22:52:28 <catherineD> So this original spreadsheet was from me.  Column G through W was added.  We just need to understand what it means so that we can process the test results.  We will take a look and send out question in email
22:52:49 <zehicle_at_dell> yy, I added them
22:53:02 <zehicle_at_dell> sorry, troytoman-away added G-I
22:53:32 <catherineD> perfect we need this to start coding once we understand it ...
22:53:46 <rockyg> #ActionItem  Criteria meeting to follow weekly meeting on 2/20
22:54:31 <rockyg> We're meeting at Piston on 2/19 (Still on davidlenwell?) and can also do some prep work.
22:54:49 <zehicle_at_dell> great! can we have a dial in?
22:54:51 <davidlenwell> let me email the group about that later today .. I need to make sure I have the conf room that day
22:54:54 <davidlenwell> of course
22:55:13 <davidlenwell> but I am pretty sure we can make it work .. refstack is very important to piston
22:55:29 <rockyg> If you don't we could do it down in Santa Clara.  I can get a room.
22:55:39 <davidlenwell> I'm sure we'll be fine
22:55:59 <davidlenwell> I just confirmed with the schedule .. should be fine
22:56:07 <zehicle_at_dell> we also have the 3/3 meeting
22:56:09 <catherineD> Great, I think that will be productive ..
22:56:11 <davidlenwell> I'll email an invite
22:56:15 <rockyg> Better food up where you are.
22:56:16 <zehicle_at_dell> davidlenwell, is Piston hosting that one too?
22:56:28 <davidlenwell> zehicle_at_dell: not sure on that ..
22:56:42 <davidlenwell> I haven't even booked my travel for that one yet
22:57:10 <rockyg> Let us know.  We can scrounge rooms down the peninsula way.
22:57:21 <zehicle_at_dell> I'm planning to be there
22:57:36 <davidlenwell> I'll plan my travel next week while I am up in the office
22:58:04 <davidlenwell> we'd be happy to host .. but it would depend on the dead count and scheduling
22:58:25 <rockyg> Great!  Micky Hart gonna join us?
22:58:25 <zehicle_at_dell> zombies count in that?
22:58:27 <davidlenwell> head count
22:58:42 <davidlenwell> I always count zombies
22:58:47 <catherineD> :-)
22:59:00 <rockyg> And members of the band;-)
22:59:27 <zehicle_at_dell> I'll check w/ Josh
22:59:44 <zehicle_at_dell> we're planning a more general DefCore meeting at the same time
22:59:51 <davidlenwell> josh and I also are participating in an ironic sprint thing that is supposed to be that week also
22:59:52 <catherineD> we are at the Top of the hour
23:00:00 <rockyg> OK.  Anything else for meetings?  I think I can capture what we've got here into more cogent notes.
23:00:12 <davidlenwell> I think we've covered everything
23:00:35 <rockyg> Dang!  I wanted to talk about all these other efforts that are also planning to use Tempest (Rally, etc) and whether there might be synergy.
23:00:35 <zehicle_at_dell> I'm ok
23:00:44 <zehicle_at_dell> thanks all, sorry about the late start
23:00:45 <catherineD> thx everyone!
23:00:46 <rockyg> I'll put it on the agenda for next week.
23:00:54 <davidlenwell> sounds good
23:01:01 <rockyg> Anything else?
23:01:15 <rockyg> #endmeeting