07:04:30 #startmeeting publiccloud-wg 07:04:31 Meeting started Wed Sep 19 07:04:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:04:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 07:04:34 The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' 07:05:23 Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg 07:05:38 Hi everyone! Who's around for todays meeting? 07:06:50 o/ 07:06:59 Hi adriant! 07:07:14 long time no see! 07:07:41 problems with the irc nick... 07:07:43 For sure, too long! 07:07:53 Will you be in Berlin? 07:07:57 are we already in discussion ? 07:08:01 I shall 07:08:34 Cool! Would be nice if we could plan for a "public cloud dinner" 07:08:34 hey adriant 07:08:46 ah that'd be wonderful 07:08:55 no zhipeng_ ... just socialising ;) 07:09:05 bruno will also be in Berlin and would likely be happy to join 07:09:19 Sounds great! 07:09:30 Let s plan for that 07:10:20 shall we take a look at the etherpads ? 07:10:23 Ok. So, to todays agenda 07:11:21 #topic 1: PTG recap 07:11:30 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-stein-ptg-summary 07:11:56 i think we had a really good session at Denver 07:12:47 yes 07:12:52 so per the long term goal for the missing features 07:13:04 my patch to the TC seems get the softball again ... 07:13:23 where Doug suggest to start with the current SIG/WG arrangment 07:13:51 I won't argue back and forth again, I think I could work with Lance, to start trying out disecting the goals 07:14:00 saw that ... will follow it, but they seam to fall back to the same arguments they had during TC meeting a little 07:14:09 yep 07:14:14 what's the patch? 07:14:15 nostalgia folks.... 07:14:30 There is also a new election out, so can be new people to approach as well 07:14:31 #link https://review.openstack.org/602799 07:14:36 ty 07:15:03 i'm running, so would be great to have your votes :) 07:15:16 In general, we would like to have a place to drop cross project things that we have identified as issues from PCWG or any other SIG or WG 07:15:41 for example, it should be good to be able to delete all resources in a project 07:15:44 which is important and useful. 07:15:48 adriant what we told tc is that, we have done our due diligence 07:15:59 please help coordinate the projects to work on that 07:16:14 maybe not doable over one cycle, but over multiple ... that is one part of the patch 07:16:16 to which the reply is basically, no lol 07:16:42 honestly, a single API endpoint per service that is effectively: "purge this project id and it's resources" shouldn't be that bad... 07:16:56 exactly 07:17:10 adriant in genral tobias and I and also folks from UC discussed method to close the loop between development and usage 07:17:13 BUT ... do never bring the technical sulution, only the problem =) 07:17:20 But totally agree with you 07:17:32 have a quantifiable way to have missing feature implemented and show that to the user 07:17:50 I'm currently working on having a terminate project API in Adjutant which just has an action per service, but having APIs which I can call instead of having to manually delete resources in my code would be amazing... 07:18:37 like something that you would expect any project to have from the beginning actually 07:18:51 you'd think that :P 07:19:01 One suggestion during the TC meeting was also to identify one of the community goals to be "operator centric" 07:19:16 like "purge project" as an example 07:19:53 Either way, we will have to keep push here to get something formed around this 07:20:03 yep 07:20:16 anyways adriant would be great to have you guys provide a ranking for the items listed on the launchpad 07:21:21 I will work with Melvin in creating a storyboard board under UC where we add the top 3 items from our group and we take it from there 07:21:41 https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-publiccloud-wg/+bug/1771586 < at least I should have done for Stein 07:21:42 Launchpad bug 1771586 in OpenStack Public Cloud WG "Multi factor authentication support" [High,New] 07:22:10 Agree with zhipeng_ ... would be good! Think that we can arrange that during a meeting as well, where we try to reach out to all PCs to do that 07:22:36 adriant we could work with Lance on that re MFA 07:22:41 Talked with Colleen about that, heard that was going to happen! 07:22:45 Which is awesome 07:23:01 zhipeng_: it's already all happening. The auth-receipts spec is mine 07:23:15 cool ! 07:23:21 and once that's finished and merged support to keystoneauth, openstackclient, and horizon will be next 07:23:56 was targeted for rocky with work mostly done, but Lance was refactoring Keystone internals I needed and it was safer to let him finish 07:24:00 I guess openstackclient will be quick to pick that one up 07:24:43 Great great 07:25:03 We also talked about a few more things in Denver.. :-) 07:25:12 one little thing I actually would love to see down the line is Keystone being able to be a fully-fledged idp with single-sign on support 07:25:24 heheh 07:25:45 yups, that is something that would be really really nice =) 07:26:16 I really hope that we get more time some time to spend doing those kind of things 07:27:37 yep 07:27:51 another topic we had is passport program v2 07:28:18 So ... to the rest ... Passport - take it back a step, ensure quality among the members, easy access for ed users with better filtering, and integration of openlab 07:28:30 you. are so ahead of me =) 07:28:48 and also we thought would be great to expand the concept to a broader theme of "make openstack easy to use" 07:28:49 Keep going howard =) 07:29:41 tobberydberg i think we need to find a time to talk with aprice or jimmy 07:29:59 about the pivoting we discussed 07:30:34 and also the MKT oriented meetings per month 07:31:39 yup 07:32:13 Get more people to vet their ideas around "market place booth" as well 07:32:48 anything you want to do adriant re passport ? 07:33:07 It depends on how you want to do it. 07:33:27 "you" => "we" ;-) 07:33:40 Our cloud now just offers $300 over 12 months (whichever runs out first) 07:34:07 are we still just using the passport as a catalogue of member clouds 07:34:16 all members need to be more active around this 07:34:27 Basically yes 07:34:29 or are we going to go down the route of issuing vouchers? 07:34:40 That was the plan 07:35:08 But, until Berlin we will take a step back regarding that and do another round of ideas vetting 07:35:43 To few members are active here and around the PP in general, we will need more folks help and commitment to pull that off 07:35:49 Like, with our signup process, we give all users a default $300 for 12 months. but in future we'll be doing our own vouchers that give extra on top of the default. 07:35:50 That is at least my idea... 07:36:10 Yes, and I still like that idea 07:36:16 and if some of those are openstack passport vouchers we validate in some external system, that's not too hard for us to add 07:36:22 (no metter the technical solution behind it) 07:36:43 Not for us either ... like a couple of extra api calls 07:37:25 just gotta make that voucher API somewhere :P 07:37:29 Happy that you are coming to Berlin, so we can be more in the room to speak our minds regarding this 07:38:01 Yup, tech ideas do exists, can be briefed any time ... guess Berlin is a good plan for that 07:38:23 me too, and... I need to get back into the upstream a bit more. I've been working on too many internal only things and it's driving me mad 07:38:24 and no matter what the tech solution is , we need better mkt for passport 07:39:18 Yes, lets make sure we get a kickstart for that in Berlin! Hopefully some more folks that can help out with that as well 07:39:32 yep 07:39:39 To touch the other topics as well... 07:39:40 SDK certification ... first version together with Melvin and OpenLab 07:39:49 with go-sdk 07:40:24 Starting off small here, forum session regarding that in Berlin how to proceed 07:40:54 shall we talk about the forum session now :P 07:41:06 #topic 2: Forum sessions Berlin 07:41:09 yes =) 07:41:19 so how many should we register 07:41:26 3 in total ? 07:42:02 No, things have changed my man =) 07:43:02 look at the etherpad 07:43:07 adding things there 07:44:55 So ... 07:45:08 part of me wonders... would reparenting a keystone project fit within the change of resource ownership topic... 07:45:13 that will make it 5.. 07:45:23 hmm 07:45:31 good point 07:45:47 because that's a feature it think operators could use (I know I need it), and right now the only solution is using sql 07:45:49 and, you would probably be one of the best co moderators for this one =) 07:46:08 I like that 07:46:24 And that is basically what I'm thinking as well when talking about that 07:46:39 so are we looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-forum-public-cloud ? 07:46:40 But, will need ore discussions I assume 07:46:45 add things there ? 07:46:47 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg 07:46:52 ah sorry 07:47:02 added there for now, will move later 07:47:10 in my case I need it for sub-project HMT trees, rather than moving just a server or two from one project to another 07:47:27 I mean just entirely making a project and all it's resources now the child of another project 07:47:33 adriant: get it ... that is a good one as well 07:47:42 I would be happy to have them both 07:48:14 would you be up for a co-moderation of that topic together with me? 07:48:21 adriant ^^ 07:48:25 sure! 07:48:32 Awesome! 07:49:03 I have a "tool" from one of the Nova folks that is linked in that "launchpad" entry that I'm about to try some day here soon 07:49:43 Dan Smith made that 07:49:51 yes 07:50:17 adriant: Would be nice to have you around for project deletion as well, up for that too? 07:50:56 yes, as that's a topic I've spent a lot of time with 07:51:09 internally we have an almighty deletion tool... 07:51:28 thats what I thought ... we have too ...even though itright now is lacking attention 07:51:46 we just add extra functions to it when we add new services or features 07:52:02 it's not pretty 07:52:15 Thanks! Think that both those sessions will draw attention from devs and TC, and the more ops we can get there the better 07:53:08 So, added a few names to the proposed sessions - zhipeng_ - does that look ok for you? 07:53:20 yep :) 07:53:30 (I will be around for them all, but might be good with 2 names on each) 07:53:44 I guess you will to zhipeng_ =) 07:53:56 so shall I register the latter two while you could register the top 3 ? 07:54:00 Great 07:54:10 or adriant could help register one or two ? 07:54:26 I can register, that is fine 07:54:26 I just can't attend any that clash with: https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=adjutant 07:54:42 bah 07:54:43 https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22184/bridging-the-gaps-between-openstack-and-business-logic-with-adjutant 07:54:49 Lets first just move them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-forum-public-cloud 07:54:51 meant to link directly, not the search :P 07:54:54 and give them descriptions 07:55:07 For sure adriant 07:55:08 i already did 07:55:38 Will try to work that out with schedule planners as well 07:56:29 zhipeng_: You and me give those topics descriptions and coordinate before we submit? 07:56:46 we could do that 07:56:51 ++ 07:57:20 More forum topics suggestions? Or other topics for todays meeting 07:58:34 deadline is Sep 26th btw 07:58:58 Yes, in a week 07:59:15 those topics look fairly sensible 07:59:19 so we will not have the time to talk about it during next weeks meeting 08:00:03 yep 08:00:07 We will not be able to manage much more in 3 days =) 08:01:03 and as it stands those topics will likely draw enough attention (and conflicting views) 08:02:50 yes 08:03:49 :) 08:03:54 anyway! I need to run, but will be here next 0700 utc meeting, and will keep in touch as we near the Berlin summit! 08:04:08 that's great ! 08:04:39 and if you could vote for tc, could count on you for one vote :) 08:04:46 Great adriant! Thanks for joining! 08:04:56 zhipeng_: already voted ;) 08:05:11 I will put my votes in later today =) 08:05:32 many thx :) 08:05:58 Anything else to cover before we close down for today? 08:06:07 nothing from my side 08:06:56 cool! Lets write descriptions for our forum topics this week and get them in 08:07:29 And promote those sessions at the different mailing lists later on as well 08:07:56 marketing mailing list for passport for example... =) 08:08:07 Thanks for today! 08:08:12 #endmeeting