14:02:05 #startmeeting publiccloud-wg 14:02:06 Meeting started Wed Feb 15 14:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02:10 The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' 14:02:42 #topic action items from last meeting 14:03:02 okey let's browse over the AIs from last meeting 14:03:49 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg 14:04:04 please also write down your names on the etherpad :) 14:04:19 Good one! I forgot that last meeting =) 14:04:55 the first item is from me, I have provided an etherpad regarding the use case template 14:05:00 we could go over it later 14:05:38 Sounds good! 14:05:42 the second one is from Tobias, it has been shared with the team in the last meeting 14:05:55 so we could close that one as well 14:05:57 Exactly...the link is there 14:06:10 but people please do keep updating the excel table 14:06:14 Yes, I think so too 14:06:30 should we set a deadline for that ? or just let people updating it ? 14:06:41 I't should be writable for everyone having access to the link 14:06:46 I'd rather leave it open 14:07:04 Hmm...I think it could be open for now 14:07:14 okey then :) 14:07:25 the last AI is also from Tobias 14:07:30 Yes 14:07:38 to check out the deadlines for the Forum topic submissio 14:07:40 #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-forum/ 14:07:41 n 14:07:53 have we passed that or do we still have time ? 14:08:09 That is the information I have found for the subject 14:08:24 Says: March 26, 2017: Deadline for proposing Forum sessions 14:08:57 Great ! :) 14:09:13 BUT, I got the impression from flanders that we were in a hurry, so I guess I will have to double check that 14:09:41 Or, someone here that have heard anything about this that differs from that? 14:09:54 any news from the grapevine ? 14:10:29 i've not heard anything 14:10:50 okey then I will check with Flanders to see what he meant 14:11:10 #action zhipeng to double check with Flanders to see the FOrum deadline 14:11:26 Thanks @zhipeng 14:11:34 no problem :) 14:11:48 #topic Discuss User Story Template 14:12:17 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-use-case) 14:12:36 link should be https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-use-case 14:12:50 like I mentioned in the last meeting, I mostly took from product working group's user story template 14:12:56 thx yankcrime 14:13:26 the difference is that I added a section called requirement impacts 14:14:02 to make sure that we could document the impacts on project level 14:14:22 or on working groups, for example there might be impacts on defcore 14:14:26 from interop wg 14:14:37 or impacts on the architecture wg's work 14:14:57 yeah, makes sense 14:15:21 any comments are welcomed and you guys could directly put it on the etherpad :) 14:15:25 two sections for problem description and definition seems a bit redundant 14:15:47 should probably just be one section for 'problem statement' or 'problem definition' 14:16:01 good catch yankcrime 14:16:18 #info just be one section for 'problem statement' or 'problem definition' 14:16:47 same with requirements really, we could collapse that down into just the one section 14:17:22 i think getting an example use case written up would help to finalise the template, but really i don't think we should get too hung up on structure as long as the basics are covered and it's coherent 14:18:06 agree 14:18:31 yankcrime could you directly put down your suggestion on the etherpad so that I will not forget ? 14:18:33 +1 14:18:36 yeah will do zhipeng 14:18:46 great thx 14:19:05 An example use case would be great! 14:19:17 +1 14:19:33 so follow up on that, should we setup a repo for publiccloud-wg ? 14:19:49 so that we could submit the examples and templates 14:20:00 and of course later on actual use cases 14:21:52 Sounds good! 14:22:10 +1 14:22:21 yup sounds reasonable 14:22:43 so could someone take an action item regarding the repo setup ? :) 14:23:15 i've not done this before but would be happy to 14:23:19 Yep, I can take lead on that one, but I will most probably need som help 14:23:38 I can assist ;-) 14:23:44 Or, yankcrime, no problem if you would like to take lead! 14:23:46 =) 14:23:49 haha 14:23:52 damn, i was too quick ;) 14:24:39 i don't mind, happy to coordinate via irc or email if anything's unclear 14:24:44 so I book it down for tobias :P 14:24:51 We can do it together! I would really like to learn more about that process! 14:25:09 #action Tobias and others to setup an individual repo for the publiccloud-wg 14:25:11 deal 14:25:15 yeah ~~ 14:25:15 +1 14:25:57 #topic PTG/Summit/Forum discussion 14:26:07 so we have covered the Forum question 14:26:19 would any of you guys go to the PTG session in Atlanta ? 14:26:27 yes, the deadline about it at least 14:26:51 No, no PTG for me 14:26:51 won't be in atlanta sadly, i'll be in milan for the eu ops midcycle and also in boston for the summit 14:26:52 I won't be in Atlanta, unfortunately 14:27:07 Hope to be in Boston though 14:27:09 so shall we have a virtual session on irc instead ? 14:27:20 find a time next week 14:27:27 +1 14:27:31 Sounds good 14:27:41 yep 14:27:46 Suggestions? 14:27:48 which date is preferred ? 14:28:14 any day but tuesday 14:28:20 Is this a good enogh time for everyone? 14:28:22 i can do any day apart from tuesday or friday 14:28:26 around this time is fine 14:28:46 what about Thursday ? 14:28:53 about the same time ? 14:28:59 Thursday works for me 14:29:16 +1 14:29:56 yankcrime ? 14:30:10 yep that's cool for me also 14:30:12 Should we send out a "reminder" to the list to invite everyone to this extra meeting? 14:30:23 sounds reasonable 14:30:36 sure 14:31:06 #agreed virtual PTG session on Feb 23rd on irc 14:31:14 zhipeng, will you be in Atlanta? 14:31:22 #action zhipeng to send out a meeting invite 14:31:28 yes I will be there 14:31:38 cool! 14:31:50 :) 14:32:04 You will have to speak up for the whole group then =) 14:32:17 :D 14:32:28 haha if opportunity arises :P 14:33:00 #topic official document location 14:33:07 okey I think we just covered that 14:33:16 we will have a dedicated repo for that 14:34:11 Yes. The google doc for the features list can be moved there once we have that 14:34:28 tobberydberg exactly 14:34:47 #topic AoB 14:34:59 okey I guess I ran a little bit too fast today 14:35:04 open discussion now :) 14:35:08 naa it's good zhipeng 14:35:12 no problem 14:35:28 maybe I take the opportunity for a quick self-intro? 14:35:36 Feel free! 14:35:39 sure ! 14:36:11 So, I recently started as an architect at T-Systems, working on various aspects of their "Open Telekom Cloud" 14:36:47 That's a Germany-based (currently) public cloud 14:36:56 astellwag: in darmstadt by any chance? 14:37:00 Currently assisting key customers with their onbairding 14:37:02 yankcrime: ack 14:37:09 astellwag: awesome, i used to live in darmstadt :) 14:37:09 hey we are from the same trench astellwag :P 14:37:24 zhipeng: yeah ;_9 14:37:25 sink a couple of beers at the ratskeller and at grohe for me! 14:37:27 yankcrime: cool 14:37:37 will do yankcrime :-) 14:37:48 i'll expect selfies astellwag 14:38:11 My OpenStack journey started back in 2011, also at Deutsche Telekom, the last 3 years I spent at Red Hat 14:38:15 yankcrime: sure 14:39:02 I'm not an active dev though, always been more on the architecture and infrastructure side 14:39:17 astellwag so are you still at RH now or t-system? 14:39:42 zhipeng: No, I left Red Hat on 31 January to join T-Systems 14:40:13 So I have a unlimited fulltime contract with them 14:40:17 understand :) 14:42:20 Nice to have you here astellwag! 14:42:36 thanks tobberydberg 14:43:27 astellwag i've just got a patch merged in defcore guideline that reflect some implementation choice in the OTC 14:44:12 zhipeng: cool ;-) 14:45:26 okey guys i'm gonna hit the endmeeting cmd if there is no further discussions 14:45:33 one thing i was going to say 14:45:39 One quick thing.. 14:45:42 lol 14:45:50 go ahead =)( 14:45:52 was about how the attendance for this wg seems to have dropped off significantly 14:45:59 and what we need to do to encourage people to join again 14:46:42 yangkcrime shall we start discussions on the mailinglist more often ? 14:46:43 first of all, poke at Sean! ;-) 14:46:51 to increase the visibility ? 14:47:03 I think that is a good idea! 14:47:33 agree 14:47:34 yeah zhipeng, maybe one of the chairs could send out a summary email at least discussing where we're up to, what we're working on, and then mention the irc meeting schedule again 14:47:46 tobberydberg: i'll kick him irl tomorrow 14:47:51 no visibility = dead project. That's what it is unfortunately 14:47:58 hehe 14:48:07 astellwag: yup 14:48:25 Thats a good idea yankcrime, we should do that 14:48:29 cool 14:48:31 ok, that was all 14:48:36 another thing we could do is to submit patches that reflect the public cloud requirement, to the upstream projects/WGs 14:48:55 +1 14:49:02 I'm thinking about suggesting a public cloud branch of defcore at PTG 14:49:07 maybe branch is a misnomer 14:49:12 i like the sound of that zhipeng 14:49:50 so that everything we do, we present it as a work product of the publiccloud-wg 14:50:22 +1 14:50:32 👍 14:50:33 yup, that sounds good 14:51:36 okey then let's hit the mailinglist more often, and try to have patches that marked with publiccloud-wg :P 14:52:10 My quick thing....we should think about how many forum sessions we should have, and the subject of them 14:52:33 yes great question 14:52:40 the categories 14:52:53 I'm preparing a talk about special performance considerations for public clouds at CeBIT, maybe I can re-use that? 14:53:04 Suggestion 1: Something about features required by public cloud providers 14:53:46 yes 14:54:11 Even though I havn't seen the talk =) 14:54:27 yeah that sounds interesting astellwag 14:54:44 ok, so I will do an English version as well 14:54:47 Then I guess you have a couple of things to add to the missing feature list regarding that area =) 14:55:16 Most likely. I will update the list whenever I stumble about something 14:55:25 I'll put this as a topic for ucpoming meeting 14:55:28 *across 14:55:47 great suggestion ! 14:56:35 ack 14:56:38 awesome 14:56:57 "PTG meeting" next week - special agenda for that one? Or continue the path we're at? 14:56:59 guys, re: your visibility +1 on sending an email to the ML speaking about what you're up to 14:57:05 I'd be interested, at least ;) 14:57:32 hey dmellado you are everywhere :P 14:57:38 Good to hear that! =) 14:57:40 zhipeng: heh xD 14:57:51 i've got to run to another meeting - thanks again all and will catch up next week 14:58:05 tobberydberg we could target the requirement list and use case specifically for the PTG session 14:58:19 Sounds good! 14:58:58 and FYI, PTG sessions could run as long as half-day or a whole day 14:58:58 Try to gather some people to join you at the PTG for our PTG meeting =) 14:59:13 so I will just hang around the irc channel :) 14:59:20 Hehe 14:59:44 Thanks for today everyone! 14:59:52 Guess time is up! 14:59:55 yeah, thanks 15:00:22 do you close meeting zhipeng? 15:00:28 #endmeeting