08:59:02 #startmeeting ptl_sync 08:59:03 Meeting started Tue Jan 13 08:59:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:59:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:59:07 The meeting name has been set to 'ptl_sync' 08:59:09 asalkeld: around? 08:59:18 hi ttx 08:59:20 #topic Heat 08:59:28 #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2 08:59:34 asalkeld: o/ 08:59:44 is that ok? 08:59:51 tried to prune stuff 08:59:56 on in unknown state 09:00:02 s/on/one 09:00:11 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/support-cinderclient-v2 09:00:16 need to checkup on that 09:00:20 ok 09:00:46 I'd say you're a bit late in progress 09:01:04 what do you mean? 09:01:17 You should have more stuff in review if you want to complete all those targets :) 09:01:28 (only 3 weeks left) 09:01:38 i think it's ok 09:02:09 there are patches up for all but the unknow one 09:02:10 #info 1 done, 1 inreview, 4 inprogress, 1 uhnknown 09:02:46 OK -- do you have specific deadlines for Heat ? Trying to collect them and list them on the cycle page 09:03:03 like a spec proposal or a spec approval deadline 09:03:04 nothing specific 09:03:08 ok good 09:03:25 We'll skip next week sync point as I'll be travelling 09:03:31 ok 09:03:45 i'll update the states of thoes bps 09:03:45 so tyalk to you in two weeks, or ping me before if you have something urgent 09:03:51 cool 09:04:02 asalkeld: have a good day! 09:04:10 you too 09:04:15 johnthetubaguy: ready when you are 09:04:36 ttx: I was just going to do a quick coffee run, back in 5 09:04:45 sounds like a good idea. 09:08:40 * johnthetubaguy has smelt the coffee now 09:08:47 #topic Nova 09:08:56 #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-2 09:09:25 #info 22 inreview, 29 inprogress, 17 notstarted 09:09:42 yes, fun fun 09:10:03 its looking like a pending blood bath at the end of kilo-2 09:10:22 I need to send a mail that just talks about that deadline later 09:10:35 At this point I'd say the High "Not started" ones should really get started... and the Low "Not started" ones should start feeling the heat 09:11:17 yes, the high are likely to slip to kilo-3 at this point 09:11:25 Could you remind me of the Nova deadlines ? 09:11:57 sure, two weeks before kilo-2 I plan to cut everything that does not have any code up 09:12:08 well, doesn't have all code up 09:12:18 priority list items go to kilo-3 09:12:23 other stuff goes to l 09:12:33 basically its feature freeze for stuff not on the priority list 09:13:00 there will be exceptions, but we don't want to grant them till blueprints are completed, to try and manage the review bandwidth, but lets see 09:13:06 does that make sense? 09:13:19 so a non-priority-feature-code-proposal deadline on... Jan 22 ? 09:13:58 yes 09:14:13 #info Nova non-priority-feature-code-proposal on Jan 22 09:14:48 I've seen the rush for exceptions on the list already 09:15:04 yes, I need to work through those 09:15:12 there are quite a few priority things, which we should approve 09:15:19 the other stuff, I hope we can mostly push back on 09:15:27 right, need to map them to the prio list 09:15:49 it should be in the spec in gerrit, but I might reply to the list to confirm the priority ones, that could help 09:15:55 we'll skip the 1:1 next week as I'll be on a staff sprint, but feel free to ping me if you need me 09:16:15 Ok, thats cool 09:16:23 the week after, its the nova-meetup 09:16:31 so might be catching up with you later in the day, if thats OK 09:16:37 sure, no pb 09:16:42 cool, thanks 09:16:45 anything else ? 09:16:51 I think thats all for now 09:16:59 johnthetubaguy: ok, have a good day and week! 09:17:03 and you! 12:59:55 ttx: knock, knock whenever you're ready 13:02:07 eglynn: sorry was busy replying to privacy vs. logging nonsense 13:02:17 #topic Ceilometer 13:02:28 ttx: np! 13:02:30 #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-2 13:02:34 Ah, Daniel beat me to it 13:02:58 so some progress in unblocking k2 BPs where the specs review hadn't landed 13:03:10 still a couple in the blocked state 13:03:15 ack 13:03:21 if not resolved by EoW I'll bump off kilo-2 13:03:47 #info 3 inreview, 4 inprogress, 2 blocked 13:04:15 We'll skip the 1:1s next week 13:04:16 other than that progress continues ... cdent is making waves with gabbi 13:04:26 I'm travelling and will probably be off 13:04:34 just ping me if anything urgent surfaces 13:04:38 (the underpinnings of declarative-http-tests, but also useful accross the baord for API testing) 13:04:41 coolness 13:04:52 yep, read that thread, I think this is a good thing 13:05:03 cool 13:05:14 I was wondering if there were any special deadline the ceilometer team would like to implement 13:05:22 want to document them on the release cycle page 13:05:37 so if you have a spec deadline, or code proposal deadline... let me know 13:05:52 (by default we only have feature freeze on kilo-3 day 13:05:54 ) 13:06:08 a-ha, k, I discuss that with the team at the weekly meeting on Thurs 13:06:40 there used to be convergence around those but this cycle it's all over the map, so I figured I should try to list them all to clarify 13:06:55 yeap, good idea 13:07:39 on the progress side, I feel like this is still going a bit slow, hopefully people will switch gears in the coming 3 weeks 13:07:54 you're not the only project in that situation :) 13:08:06 That's all I had -- anything on your side ? 13:08:07 yeah, last week let like folks just waking up 13:08:20 nope, that's all for me 13:08:45 *felt like 13:08:50 thanks for your time! 13:08:58 eglynn: have a good week! 13:10:01 SergeyLukjanov: ready when you are 13:19:41 ttx: hi 13:19:47 #topic Oslo 13:19:50 dhellmann: o/ 13:20:09 #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-2 13:20:22 #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo 13:21:08 we cleaned up the k-2 list a bit since last week 13:21:10 How many libs are left to migrate to the non-namespace world ? 13:21:54 we need to patch oslo.vmware (in flight) and then we have 4 more to release 13:22:05 that's 4 after the vmware patch lands 13:22:19 we could do oslo.rootwrap any time you're ready for a release 13:22:20 ok, so likely to be completed at k2 or start of k3, good 13:22:39 yeah, I expect to release them all in the next ~1.5 wks 13:22:42 dhellmann: there was a bug reported that I could try to fix, let me up the prio on my todo list 13:22:48 ok 13:22:59 if I don't get to it this week, we'll just release with the namespace package drop 13:23:36 Do you have any oslo-specific deadline this cycle ? 13:23:56 Like all graduations must be completed by X, or all feature code must be proposed by Y ? 13:24:06 no, we haven't proposed anything like that 13:24:07 (by default we only have feature freeze on kilo-3 day) 13:24:25 ok -- if you do, keep me posted. I'd like to document them all to reduce confusion 13:24:41 Also I'll skip next week's 1:1 because I'll be traveling 13:24:42 certainly 13:24:48 ping me for anything urgent 13:24:54 oh, we'll probably freeze a week or so earlier than k-3 like we did last cycle 13:25:05 we haven't picked a date, I'll put that on my list of things I need to figure out 13:25:24 dhellmann: freeze as in code freeze, or code proposal freeze ? 13:25:36 i.e. no more n,ew code to review, or no more code merged ? 13:25:36 feature freeze 13:25:46 ok, so no more code merged 13:26:02 well, unless we have to fix bugs to allow the other projects to move ahead 13:26:09 #info Oslo feature freeze likely to happen one week before the kilo-3 common freeze 13:26:23 makes sense for libraries and probably keystone 13:26:36 yeah, it worked pretty well for us last cycle 13:26:56 dhellmann: ok, anything else ? 13:27:19 nothing from me 13:28:13 dhellmann: ok then, have a good day and week! Talk to you later 13:28:20 ttx: thanks, you too! 13:29:08 SergeyLukjanov: you can still go now if you want 15:00:52 ttx: Ready when you are 15:01:43 mestery: hi! 15:01:46 #topic Neutron 15:02:01 #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-2 15:02:33 FYI: We discussed all "Essential" and "High" priority BPs in our meeting just now 15:02:35 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-01-13-14.02.html 15:02:44 So the broader logs for more information 15:02:49 #info 3 done, 18 inreview, 6 inprogress, 5 notstarted 15:02:52 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-01-13-14.02.log.txt 15:03:42 * ttx quicklooks 15:04:03 Bottom line: I expect some of those to slip to Kilo-3 as they always do :) 15:04:05 But we're making good progress in others 15:04:48 yep, but overall you don't seem completely off 15:04:57 No, we're doing pretty good this time around actually! 15:05:01 lots of stuff in review already 15:05:03 People are focused on the right thigns now, which helps 15:05:11 so now would be a good time to land them 15:05:20 Yes 15:05:46 Also, as far as this is concerned: 15:05:48 #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/core-vendor-decomposition.html 15:05:51 We're making great progress! 15:06:00 Lots of people decomposing their plugins and moving code to stackforge, github, etc. 15:06:05 I'm pleasantly surprised actually 15:06:06 ;) 15:06:16 mestery: cool 15:06:37 I seem to remember you have specific deadlines already announced 15:06:51 Yes, and armax has been great at helping people here. 15:06:53 I'm collecting them so I can docuemnt them all 15:07:17 ttx: The spec indicates plugins/drivers should make progress during Kilo, and during Lxxx we may take efforts to remove those which are not complying 15:07:21 I wanted to give two cycles for this, so we did :) 15:07:32 More generally, do you have a spec proposal/approval deadline ? Or a code proposal deadline ? 15:08:13 Yes: SPD/SAD was 12-8-2014 and 12-15-2104 15:08:15 *2014 15:08:17 Those passed last year :) 15:08:21 right 15:08:30 I'll still document them for posterity :) 15:08:45 Got it, and thanks! 15:08:47 #info SPD was 12-8-2014 and SAD was 12-15-2104 15:08:53 lol 15:08:56 12-15-2014 15:09:03 My typo made it to your #info! :) 15:09:13 don't underestimate my capacity to copypaste 15:09:24 rofl 15:09:47 do you already have a code proposal deadline ? or you expect to follow the usual one two weeks before FF ? 15:09:56 Yes, we'll follow the usual I suspect 15:10:13 #info Likely to have CPF two weeks before kilo-3 15:10:36 We'll be skipping 1:1s next week -- ping me if you have an uregnt question or topic to discuss 15:10:47 That's all I had 15:10:56 ACtually, that works out great, I'm travelling next week so would have had to miss anyways ;) 15:11:04 hah! awesome 15:11:06 I'll have more stats on plugin decomposition in two weeks for you 15:11:08 Just to track progress. 15:11:11 Thats all from me, thanks! 15:11:13 Ok then, have a good day and week 15:11:33 you too! 15:15:44 ttx, I'm sorry for being late :( calendar reminder ended last week... 15:15:53 heh 15:15:53 ttx, if you're able to make a sync now.. 15:16:01 SergeyLukjanov: you have 5 min now if you want 15:16:11 #topic Sahara 15:16:22 ttx, probably it'll be better for you to use another time today? 15:16:22 #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/kilo-2 15:16:29 SergeyLukjanov: no fine now 15:16:43 #info 7 inreview, 1 inprogress, 2 blocked 15:17:15 Time to turn some of those to "implemented", otherwise looks good 15:17:17 yeah, blocked are now candidates to be moved to kilo3 15:17:29 Any specific deadlines announced for Sahara ? 15:18:20 ttx, I think no, everything is going ok 15:18:36 ok, so just the feature freeze on kilo-3 15:18:52 ttx, FPF at March 5 will be used I think 15:18:53 We'll skip 1:1s next week, ping me if urgent questions arise 15:19:22 #info Likely to have FPF two weeks before kilo-3 15:19:26 ttx, okay, thank you, sorry again about being late, already created reminders for the whole year 15:19:43 SergeyLukjanov: sounds all good -- talk to you later 15:19:57 nikhil_k: ready when you are 15:20:00 ttx: o/ 15:20:04 #topic Glance 15:20:24 #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-2 15:20:33 #info 1 inreview, 1 notstarted 15:20:47 Sounds manageable 15:21:05 ttx: yeah, we've some glance_store specs/BPs 15:21:20 however, they do not come in this milestone release cycle 15:21:24 I didn't notice any specific deadline for Glance apart from Feature Freeze on kilo-3 15:21:33 let me know if I missed any 15:21:57 We've an inofficial one ~2 weeks after k-2 15:22:15 Where would you like me to post that bulletin? 15:22:27 I can #info it 15:22:30 what is it ? 15:22:48 some code proposal freeze ? 15:22:57 or spec freeze ? 15:23:07 We want all the features to be code-ready (good for approvals) 2 weeks after k-2 15:23:23 ok, so feature/code proposal freeze 15:23:28 yes 15:23:36 #info FPF 2 weeks after k2 15:23:39 Wanted to ask you for confirmation before formally adding Erno to glance-stable-maint 15:23:59 I briefed him on stable policy so he is good ot go if you +1 it 15:24:00 ttx: I've communicated to most of folks that specs would not be officially approved unless a decent amount of code is posted 15:24:17 ttx: ok, your topic first 15:24:43 ttx: I'm okay with it. One question: does the glance-stable-maint apply to all the repos in the program? 15:24:56 nikhil_k: only those with a stable branch 15:25:05 so probably only openstack/glance 15:25:27 ttx: cool. We should soon have glance_store to the list 15:25:35 ok 15:25:51 so, specs requiring some code to be approved 15:25:56 so, does that mean he and I are in that group? 15:26:04 * ttx checks group 15:26:22 ttx: wondering how could I add more people when necessary? 15:26:26 Currently Flavio and you in the group 15:26:33 ah ok 15:27:01 nikhil_k: if you feel it's necessary you can propose other people. We'll reach out to them to teach/explain them stable policy and then add them 15:27:15 but I would go with the 3 and see how it goes 15:27:21 That sounds good. 15:27:29 better keep an active small group, there aren't that many backports to review 15:27:48 Actually. I've someone really good for that job, in mind. 15:27:54 Anyways, until next time... 15:28:08 about specs requiring some code to be approved, I don't think other projects do that but that shouldn't prevent you from doing it 15:28:19 ah ok 15:28:21 let me know how that goes 15:28:22 the issue is 15:28:28 ok 15:28:48 I'll miss the 1:1 sync next week, ping me if you have questions 15:28:59 sure thing! Appreciate it/ 15:29:03 Anything you wanted to mention now ? 15:29:12 one question 15:29:34 Would you like to track glance_store specs/BPs in the launchpad milestone 15:29:43 so that it comes in the release notes at the end of the cycle 15:30:00 however, that project does not follow the milestone dates 15:30:06 it has it's own releases 15:30:15 nikhil_k: actually depends how you consider glance_store. My understanding is that it's a library which strives to have backward compat, much like oslo libs 15:30:28 yeah 15:30:31 those don't have formal stable branches, more like semver versioning 15:30:44 gotcha 15:30:49 so we usually track them separately (different version numbers) 15:31:00 better release them separately as well 15:31:07 okay, I will try to do that and get back to you if run into issues 15:31:11 if you want a template, consider using the ones in oslo 15:31:14 sure 15:31:17 thingee: around? 15:31:24 nikhil_k: thx! 15:31:26 ttx: hello! 15:31:26 Thanks 15:31:29 #topic Cinder 15:31:41 #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-2 15:32:01 I moved out the ones that haven't started 15:32:09 contacted people individually 15:32:13 #info 2 done, 17 inreview, 6 started 15:32:16 Looks good to me 15:32:34 I have put reminders in the ones in review with no updates in a while that a reminder of k-2 deadline 15:32:34 yeah, that sounds reasonable (removing not started at this point) 15:32:50 just left comments in review. might email people too 15:33:11 So if I remember correctly, you have a non-priority feature freeze at k2, much like Nova does 15:33:24 then only priority stuff / exceptions alowed in k3 15:33:27 this week, the plan is to get on people with no code yet for their spec. I'm worried about some people that have multiple things assigned this milestone 15:33:33 is that right? 15:34:04 ttx: that is correct. In fact I set a topic for our meeting tomorrow as a reminder. email to the list to follow 15:34:20 thingee: yes, people sometimes sign up for 3 things and deliver none, while if they signed up for one they would have completed it 15:35:27 #info Non-priority feature freeze at kilo-2 15:35:41 (trying to keep track of them all) 15:36:12 ok, you seem to have things under control. We'll skip 1:1s next week as I'm traveling 15:36:21 Feel free to ping me as needed though 15:36:31 ok, hope it's fun traveling 15:36:52 Should be fun traveling yes. Foundation staff retreat 15:36:56 Questions on your side ? 15:37:03 sounds great 15:37:07 nope 15:37:16 alright then, have a great day & week 15:37:34 have a great rest of your day too 15:38:33 btw, cross project meeting today is still marked to be confirmed. 15:38:44 oh. Fixing that now. I sent a reminder this morning 15:39:02 thx for the heads-up 16:58:01 morganfainberg: I'll be 5 min late 17:03:47 ttx, np 17:07:10 morganfainberg: back 17:07:15 #topic Keystone 17:07:32 ttx, wb 17:07:38 #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/kilo-2 17:07:58 bugs are trickling in / being assigned 17:08:17 #info 4 inreview, 4 inprogress, 2 notstarted 17:08:35 Looks like this is on track 17:08:46 Though the not started ones should probably get started soon 17:08:51 we might have a couple smaller specs and associated BPs land in k2 as well 17:08:59 ok 17:09:02 i'm still curating before assignign and marking as blocked 17:09:10 Do you have any specific deadlines in Keystone ? 17:09:17 k2 is spec-proposal-deadline 17:09:30 #info spec proposal deadline at K2 17:09:38 I'm trying to collect them all 17:09:42 though next cycle i hope we can roll that back a good deal. 17:09:55 i hate cramming all the spec code into m3 17:10:08 any other ? (apart from classic Feature freeze at k3) 17:10:20 Maybe the code proposal freeze two weeks before k3 ? 17:10:34 yeah i'll float that at the meeting today, but no one should complain 17:10:51 #info probably a code proposal freeze two weeks before k3 17:11:15 In other news, I added the keystonemiddleware / keystoneclient deprecation discussion to the TC agenda 17:11:20 cool 17:11:21 will you be around ? 17:11:21 thanks 17:11:23 yes 17:11:38 OK, hopefully we'll have time to discuss it -- it's in a deep agenda 17:11:39 i expect it to go mostly with sdagues recommendation 17:11:54 Also we'll skip 1:1s next week as I'll be away 17:11:57 but this is a case where the TC signing off on it would be good. 17:12:09 ping me if anything urgent comes (unlikely but...) 17:12:13 keystone midcycle is next week, I was going to ask for a skip anyway 17:12:19 hah, good 17:12:23 enjoy the foundation off-site! :) 17:12:28 Alright, that's all I had 17:12:45 morganfainberg: have a good day and week and nextweek ! 17:12:53 cheers. 17:12:54 devananda: around? 17:13:06 ttx: sorta 17:13:16 #topic Ironic 17:13:21 shouldn't take long 17:13:24 k k 17:13:29 #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-2 17:13:38 biggest news on my end is rackspace confirmed they'll host a second sprint in SF 17:13:42 #info 4 inreview, 3 inprogress, 4 blocked 17:13:43 I updated the wiki page with details 17:14:24 I suspect you have code lined up for those Blocked ones, just pending spec approval ? 17:14:34 as far as k2 milestone, I have a suspicion that many things will slip to k3, given that the state machine changes are still underway and blocking several other specs 17:14:43 oh, ok 17:15:01 I'm collecting project-specific deadlines -- do you have any in Ironic ? 17:15:08 nope - w 17:15:19 we're following the general guidelines this cycle 17:15:28 ok 17:15:38 we'll skip next week's 1:1s 17:15:46 That's all I had 17:16:13 #info State machine blocking several specs, expecting some deferrals to k3 17:16:26 devananda: have a good day and week! 17:16:34 ttx: cheers! you too 17:16:40 SlickNik: ready when you are 17:30:43 Hmm, I guess we'll skip Trove today 17:35:16 ok, let's skip 17:35:19 #endmeeting