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21:01:19 <ttx> We'll once again abuse the meeting today to discuss final Juno Design Summit scheduling
21:01:27 <markwash> o/
21:01:30 <ttx> Agenda at:
21:01:31 <ttx> #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting
21:01:36 <ttx> Should be a quick one
21:01:36 <dtroyer> o/
21:01:43 <ttx> #topic Design Summit schedule finalization
21:01:55 <ttx> We need to produce something near-final by EOD today, so that the summit org crew can start working on session signage
21:02:06 <ttx> It's fine to make last-minute changes after that if we need to, but we'll have to communicate all those changes
21:02:19 <ttx> I'd suggest post to the -dev ML if you update anything, and i'll make sure the crew gets the news
21:02:31 <ttx> We are still missing the Barbican schedule because for some reason Jarret isn't recognized as lead by the app
21:02:39 <ttx> jraim: got my email ?
21:02:59 <jraim> ttx: yep. Just replied with our sessions.
21:03:22 <mikal> .
21:04:18 <ttx> jraim: do you have time after the meeting (will end early) so that we work on this ?
21:04:35 <jraim> ttx sure.
21:04:47 <ttx> Everyone else: Any change or conflict you'd like to discuss ?
21:05:09 <mikal> I'm not tracking any
21:05:16 <jeblair> none from infra
21:05:21 <mestery> Nothing from neutron
21:05:27 <mtreinish> nothing from qa
21:05:31 * SergeyLukjanov here, reading scrollback
21:05:33 <david-lyle> none for Horizon
21:05:37 <dolphm> A federation design session conflicts with one a federation-related topic from the main conference: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/ab0966f5ec41f78e929effd499e0286f conflicts with http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/11b6f75c349b0bffe204e3cb2880d4c0 ...
21:05:42 <kgriffs> none for marconi
21:05:51 <dolphm> was hoping to trade the Thursday 11:50a timeslot with a Thursday 4:10p timeslot (Cinder, Oslo, QA, Sahara, Swift)
21:05:57 <ttx> dolphm: could you swap a few slots now ?
21:06:17 <dolphm> i'd like to get keystone people into that main conference session if possible
21:06:27 <ttx> hmm, let me see how that could work
21:07:15 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, could you probably swap "clustering future" slot with something earlier to avoid conflict with sahara? (we've agreed on prev. summit to tru help on this topic)
21:07:38 <ttx> dolphm: you could swap it with oslo's 3:10pm slot
21:08:08 <dhellmann> ttx: some of the keystone folks need to be in that session
21:08:15 <ttx> arh
21:08:23 <dhellmann> the 4:10 slot might work better
21:08:25 <jeblair> HA!  there's a conference talk about infra scheduled _during_ an infra session.
21:08:49 <dolphm> dhellmann: that's the only option on thursday that i see that wouldn't be compromising something (for keystone, anyway)
21:08:49 <eglynn> ttx: just to clarify ... further scheduling changes are fine without any special actions by when exactly, EoD today? (or first thing Euro-time tmrw?)
21:09:01 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Horizon Friday 10:50am ?
21:09:13 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: There's a Replication talk earlier in the user summit that some trove folks are involved with that makes that hard to do. :(
21:09:20 <ttx> eglynn: first thing EU time tomorrow
21:09:20 <sdague> jeblair: yeh, well my talk is scheduled during QA track. Conflicts happen :)
21:09:40 <david-lyle> dolphm: horizon session at 3:30 Wed?
21:09:45 <dolphm> ttx: that works, but would prefer thursday
21:09:55 <eglynn> ttx: cool thanks! (I've got an oslo track conflict I'm trying to work around)
21:10:16 <dhellmann> eglynn: if dolphm and I swap, the suggestion I made for the time change for you won't be available
21:10:22 <dolphm> david-lyle: we have *another* main conference session on horizon on thursday, that we're hoping to use to drive some stakeholders into this design session, so that won't work
21:10:23 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, probably with one of the first two slots? (testing and scheduling automated tasks service)
21:10:29 <ttx> dolphm: trying to find a slot to swap from that has the same QA/infra/docs maping
21:10:56 <dolphm> ttx: have a link to your google doc handy?
21:10:58 <jeblair> sdague: the infra talk is not being presented by an infra contributor, so it's not an urgent conflict; just interesting.  would have liked to see that one.  ;)
21:11:04 <eglynn> dhellmann: darn! ... so what would be available in its stead?
21:11:05 <ttx> dolphm: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdGNXcWlWX0FIekQxbUtvRVlnVF9IV3c&usp=drive_web#gid=5
21:11:50 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Oslo Tuesday 11:50am ?
21:12:02 <ttx> err
21:12:11 <dhellmann> eglynn: nevermind, I had my days mixed up -- you're talking about wed and I'm talking about thurs
21:12:19 <ttx> dolphm: swap with Oslo wednesday 11:00am ?
21:12:37 <eglynn> dhellmann: ... cool, np, I'll continue checking that potential rejiggering so
21:12:56 <dolphm> ttx: this session needs to follow a 9:50a thursday main conference session
21:13:03 <dhellmann> ttx: what's the other half of that swap?
21:13:20 <ttx> dolphm: no Wednesday, not Friday, that limits the options
21:13:30 <dolphm> ttx: friday is alright
21:13:31 <clarkb> jeblair: have a link?
21:13:40 <ttx> dhellmann: Keystone Thursday 11:50am
21:14:40 <jeblair> clarkb: openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/956b69c8f72eb37e8f0f89400b2f8f57
21:14:56 <jeblair> clarkb: thursday 11:50am
21:15:04 <jeblair> seems to be a common trouble spot
21:15:22 <ttx> dolphm: if dhellmann is OK with it, we could swap slots with Thursday 4:10pm
21:15:34 <dolphm> ttx: that'd be ideal for me
21:15:40 <clarkb> jeblair: that does sound interesting. would also be neat if they collaborated with us :)
21:15:41 <dhellmann> ttx, dolphm : that would work for me
21:15:48 <dolphm> success
21:15:53 <dolphm> dhellmann: ttx: thanks
21:16:03 <ttx> just increases the overlap between Oslo and infra (and reduces overlap between Oslo and QA)
21:16:29 <ttx> dolphm, dhellmann: ok let me update the DB
21:16:30 <dhellmann> hmm
21:16:34 <dhellmann> hang on
21:16:39 * ttx hangs
21:16:40 <jeblair> ttx: which oslo slot is going in there?
21:16:44 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: There's 2 trove sessions that are overlapping that makes this hard "Running HA Trove" at 9:50, and "Introduction to OpenStack Trove" at 11:00
21:16:52 <ttx> jeblair: rpc proxy(oslo.messaging)
21:17:01 <jeblair> i think we can live with that
21:17:03 <dhellmann> that's the rpc proxy session, for which I need some of the neutron team I think
21:17:07 <dhellmann> and moving it conflicts
21:17:08 <SlickNik> SergeyLukjanov: Will moving it out later to the afternoon help with the scheduling?
21:17:24 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, nope, sahara sessions starting afternoon :)
21:17:30 <ttx> dhellmann: does it ?
21:17:33 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, let's keep it as is
21:17:38 <ttx> dhellmann: ah yes
21:17:41 <jeblair> but if anyone needs a thursday 11:50 slot i'd be happy to give it up
21:17:49 <SergeyLukjanov> SlickNik, I'll ask someone from sahara community to attend this session anyway
21:18:26 <dolphm> there's a neutron session (modular layer2 agents) at 11:50a which would then conflict with oslo's rpc proxy
21:18:29 <dhellmann> ttx: let me see if I can move something else
21:18:42 <dhellmann> dolphm: yeah, those 2 groups are going to overlap a lot
21:19:24 <dhellmann> moving oslo stuff around is pretty hard this time -- lots of overlap, by its nature
21:19:43 <ttx> dolphm, dhellmann: Friday's 2:10pm one ?
21:19:56 <dolphm> david-lyle: any problems moving horizon's devops session to thursday @ 11:50a ?
21:20:13 <dhellmann> ttx: that might be easier to move, if the slot works for dolphm
21:20:30 <ttx> dhellmann: argh no
21:20:30 * david-lyle looking
21:20:40 <ttx> dhellmann: that would double book two of my sessions
21:20:43 <dhellmann> ttx: how about 4:00 friday?
21:20:54 <dolphm> hrmph - the main conference is over friday, correct?
21:21:04 <ttx> dolphm: yes
21:21:04 <dhellmann> dolphm: yeah
21:21:06 <dolphm> bah, maybe friday isn't an option for this
21:22:00 <ttx> dolphm: running out of options, I'll let you suggest
21:22:42 <david-lyle> dolphm: 11:50 Thurs for 10:50 Fri?
21:22:56 <dolphm> david-lyle: just realized friday is less than ideal :(
21:23:24 <ttx> If you have other questions about the Design Summit (or anything else related to next week), please ask
21:23:32 <ttx> Note that you are all invited to the "Meet the PTLs and TC" session of the Ops meetup:
21:23:37 <ttx> #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/7f51ddc783eeda1789f31230b22e0444
21:24:07 <ttx> let's continue the slot swapping in open discussion
21:24:10 <ttx> #topic Open discussion
21:24:11 <mestery> ttx: Bummer, that session is during another panel I'm a part of :(
21:24:25 <mikal> LOL
21:24:27 <mikal> Most clashes ever
21:24:32 <ttx> mestery: we can't all be everywhere anyway
21:24:42 <ttx> Note that for Juno-integrated projects, we'll start 1:1s sync points the week after summit.
21:24:44 <dhellmann> next summit, 1 month in paris
21:24:49 <dhellmann> no overlapping tracks
21:24:51 <ttx> eglynn, mikal, zaneb, kmestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: If you could send me UTC times you can regularly make on Tuesdays, ahead of 21:00 UTC, that would be great
21:24:54 <mestery> ttx: Yes, for sure.
21:24:57 <jeblair> dhellmann: ++
21:25:03 <dolphm> i think i'm going to resort shuffling my own session slots around, which will solve half the audience problem
21:25:14 <ttx> dolphm: that's a lot simpler yes
21:25:26 <dolphm> ttx: simpler but less ideal!
21:25:38 <zaneb> ttx: will do
21:25:40 <ttx> dolphm: apparently there is no ideal solution anyway
21:25:45 <eglynn> ttx: yep, will do
21:25:55 <mikal> ttx: does Monday count as ahead of Tuesday 21:00 UTC?
21:26:06 <mikal> ttx: cause other options kind of suck for me
21:26:11 <ttx> mikal: your Monday soes
21:26:14 <ttx> does
21:26:23 <mikal> Ok, cool. I shall email you options.
21:26:44 <ttx> jraim: we can discuss Barbican schedule now
21:26:49 <jraim> ttx: k
21:27:11 <mikal> ttx: does that mean end of meeting for the rest of us?
21:27:13 <mestery> ttx: Will send you some times offline.
21:27:13 <ttx> jraim: the sessions in your email don't correspond to the suggestions I found on http://summit.openstack.org/
21:27:27 <ttx> mikal: no, feel free to ask for session swaps if you need some
21:27:34 <ttx> mikal: or drop off if you don't :)
21:27:45 <jraim> that's correct. We combined and moved some things around so that all the topics in on the list could be addressed
21:27:47 <mikal> ttx: I don't need any, but will hang around in case someone needs me for one
21:28:19 <ttx> jraim: shall we enter whole new sessions and scrap the old ones ? Or try to build them from the existing ones ?
21:28:19 <jeblair> i'm offering thursday at 11:50 if anyone needs it (but isn't critical for me)
21:28:26 <SergeyLukjanov> ttx, sure, probably, we could use some time slot in our tz
21:28:42 <jraim> I was just going to enter the new ones as the folks working on Barbican will know which topics go where
21:28:54 <jraim> And I was going to post a message to the -dev list with the details
21:28:57 <ttx> jeblair: hey that's my slot!
21:29:17 <jraim> But I'm fine with editing existings if that is easier
21:29:39 <ttx> jraim: let me see if I can fix your access
21:30:05 <jeblair> ttx: yep, it conflicts with the conference talk on infra, but we can watch the video i'm sure.  :)
21:30:19 <jraim> ttx: Here is the launchpad info when I log in
21:30:22 <ttx> jraim: you ARE jarret-raim on Launchpad right
21:30:24 <jraim> Full name: Jarret Raim
21:30:24 <jraim> Username: jarret-raim
21:30:24 <jraim> Email address: jarret.raim@rackspace.com
21:30:30 <jraim> yep
21:31:15 <jraim> On the summit.openstack page, once I log in, it says: You are logged in as jarret-raim.
21:31:26 <ttx> weird, that's what I have as lead username
21:31:26 <eglynn> dhellmann: FYI ceilo track now changed as discussed off-line http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/type/ceilometer#.U2lRs4qPXQL
21:31:37 <dhellmann> eglynn: thanks!
21:32:04 <ttx> jraim: i'll enter them all to unblock you. Could you post the description for all of them in some etherpad that I can copypaste ?
21:32:17 <jraim> ttx: sure
21:32:30 <SlickNik> ttx: will check my Tue schedule and get back to you with a good time.
21:33:16 <jraim> ttx: here is the events one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-events
21:34:25 <ttx> jraim: should I just take the top part (before use cases) as the session description ?
21:34:33 <ttx> it needs to be reasonably short
21:35:14 <jraim> ttx: I can cut these down to a sentence or two real quick so you can just cut and paste
21:35:15 <jraim> one sec
21:35:28 <ttx> jraim: that would be perfect yes
21:37:44 <ttx> If my interaction with jraim is the only thing left in that meeting, we should probably end it and continue that off-meeting
21:38:08 <ttx> jraim: let's move to #openstack-dev
21:38:17 <jraim> ttx: k
21:38:30 <ttx> Last questions, anyone ?
21:38:48 <dolphm> jraim: barbican's sessions are entirely on tuesday, correct?
21:38:59 <ttx> dolphm: yes
21:39:05 <markwash> ttx one quick one
21:39:11 <ttx> markwash: shoot
21:39:18 <markwash> sorry I turned into a zombie for a bit, but am back
21:39:30 * ttx shoots anyway
21:39:39 <markwash> do you know anything about the foundation and mini-summits this next cycle?
21:39:58 <markwash> glance folks are already talking about the next one and we'd like to kick off the planning asap
21:40:16 <mikal> markwash: you mean mid cycle meetups?
21:40:18 <dolphm> markwash: i think we're all in the same boat :)
21:40:21 <ttx> markwash: not sure what the foundation would have to do with it
21:40:22 <dolphm> mikal: ++
21:40:30 <mikal> markwash: I'd like to announce the timing for the nova one next week, but I think I need more release details first
21:40:40 <dolphm> ttx: we're eager to know milestone dates so we can plan mid-cycle things effectively
21:40:40 <markwash> I thought maybe the foundation would put money in a t-shirt cannon
21:40:44 <markwash> and fire it at the PTLs
21:41:06 <markwash> in the bleachers
21:41:09 <mikal> I feel like the PTLs should negotiate a bit to avoid clashes as well
21:41:16 <jeblair> mikal: we've lost good ptls that way
21:41:23 <mikal> Is there a PTLs list I can post a proposed date to?
21:41:24 <jeblair> markwash: ^ oops
21:42:01 <ttx> dolphm: here is the current state
21:42:04 <ttx> juno-1 is likely to be June 12 or June 19
21:42:11 <ttx> juno-2 could be July 17, July 24 or July 31
21:42:18 <ttx> (trying to avoid July 24
21:42:18 <ttx> which is OSCON week)
21:42:26 <ttx> juno-3 / feature freeze would be September 4
21:42:48 <mestery> ttx: Those tenative dates help for the mid-cycle planning, thanks!
21:42:56 <mikal> Excellent, thanks!
21:43:14 <markwash> okay so foundation -> wrong tree to bark at. no problem!
21:43:24 <dolphm> mikal: dibs on july 9, 10, 11
21:43:27 * markwash stops barking
21:43:37 <ttx> markwash: well, I can ask around
21:43:46 <dolphm> also dibs on the tshirt canon on those dates
21:43:58 <mestery> neutron mid-cycle is tenatively going to be july 9-10-11.
21:44:08 <ttx> ok, anything else ?
21:46:58 <ttx> guess not
21:47:02 <ttx> see you all next week!
21:47:02 <mikal> Sounds like we're done
21:47:06 <mikal> Laters!
21:47:09 <ttx> #endmeeting