21:01:44 #startmeeting project 21:01:45 Meeting started Tue Aug 28 21:01:44 2012 UTC. The chair is markmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:47 The meeting name has been set to 'project' 21:01:56 markmc: I'm here! 21:02:00 ttx has put me in charge, run away :) 21:02:03 bcwaldon, thanks 21:02:03 Howdy 21:02:07 markmc: I'll be representing Horizon today. 21:02:08 who else? 21:02:17 gabrielhurley, cool 21:02:34 heckj, vishy, notmyname, ? 21:02:35 o/ 21:02:46 #info We are under FeatureFreeze for everything but Swift, so please take extra care in reviews 21:02:46 #info Core reviewers should flag changes that add a new feature, modify the behavior without fixing a bug, modify translatable strings or add/modify a configuration option 21:02:46 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/FolsomReleaseSchedule 21:02:49 o/ 21:02:53 o/ 21:02:54 here 21:02:58 awesome 21:03:00 #topic Actions from previous meeting 21:03:07 ok, these were all project specific 21:03:13 will cover them in the project sections 21:03:22 oh ... anyone with time constraints that want to go first? 21:03:38 ok 21:03:38 #topic Keystone status 21:03:45 action - heckj to go through keystone buglist and target release blockers to RC1 where appropriate 21:03:52 will do 21:04:01 looks like you've made progress on that? 21:04:05 currently working against a security fix that will be going in (and backported to essex/stable) 21:04:08 that was last weeks action 21:04:15 cool 21:04:20 #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:04:23 reviewed, but doing it each week to keep track of new bugs reported 21:04:37 cool 21:04:48 there's a bunch of high priority bugs not targeted 21:04:56 should any of those be targeted to rc1? 21:05:13 markmc: many of those can't be resolved without API changes I'm afraid 21:05:30 heckj, ah, interesting 21:05:48 heckj, incompat API changes, or just API additions? 21:05:53 we've got two criticals that are in flight - those will be targeted 21:05:59 incompat API changes 21:06:05 ah 21:06:14 we've been talking about how to handle them for nova too 21:06:26 maybe a blueprint for the next major API version to coallate them 21:06:39 would be nice to figure out how to get them off the high priority list 21:06:46 markmc - that's exactly where we have them targetted now - feature branch is in progress with V3 API to resolve 21:06:55 cool, ok 21:07:08 anything else of concern? 21:07:16 solid progress towards rc1? 21:07:20 any help needed? 21:07:53 uncertain of the doc status for deployment style documentation - need to review that deeply. Could definitely use some help there 21:08:05 heckj, got a link? 21:08:09 i believe raphael has been doing some of that 21:08:20 * heckj looking 21:08:35 #help keystone deployment style documentation needed 21:08:48 yeah - no blueprint or link 21:08:48 thanks annegentle :) 21:08:54 * markmc moves on 21:08:57 thanks heckj 21:08:58 #topic Swift status 21:09:01 notmyname, hey 21:09:04 hi 21:09:08 last weeks action - notmyname to send an email to openstack-dev with 2.0 thoughts 21:09:13 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-August/000919.html 21:09:17 that's it ^^ ? 21:09:20 yup, done 21:09:26 cool 21:09:34 so 1.7.0 targetted mid september? 21:10:08 tentatively schedule for sept 13 for the folsom RC. I'm not sure how QA will go. but QA takes priority over the date 21:10:35 cool, ok 21:10:43 "how it will go" == "potential scheduling difficulty" 21:10:48 how far could QA push the date out potentially? a week? more? 21:11:07 also, planning on adding a milestone page and targeting bugs etc. ? 21:11:18 * markmc isn't sure if swift uses such things 21:11:46 I don't know right now. since the QA is RAX internal for now, it's up to the internal schedules of RAX cloud files team 21:11:47 * annegentle notes last week's hint at a 1.6.1 from ttx 21:12:10 21:15:40 if there are so many changes it might make sense to include 1.6.1 in Folsom 21:12:22 ah, good point 21:12:29 notmyname, is that feasible as a backup plan? 21:12:38 does anyone here know if 1.7 is acceptable by packagers? 21:12:42 as of right now, folsom would include either 1.6.0 or 1.7.0 with a strong preference to 1.7 21:12:52 there is no such thing yet as 1.6.1 21:13:26 likely to have a more clear picture next week? 21:14:20 I would hope so 21:14:31 at some point soon I guess we'd have to just say it'll be 1.6.0 21:14:40 since folks will need some notice of what to expect in folsom 21:14:51 ok, revisit next week then 21:14:55 anything else? 21:15:29 I don't think so. 21:15:41 ok, thanks 21:15:44 #topic Glance status 21:15:49 mr bcwaldon 21:15:54 markmc: yes sir 21:15:56 #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:16:09 glance seems in good shape? 21:16:16 markmc: yes, very 21:16:28 I could use some help on the oustanding review, though! 21:16:33 reviews* 21:16:33 ! 21:16:46 #help glance needs review help! 21:16:58 bug #1039818 has no assignee - is that something you'd like nova folks to handle? 21:16:58 Launchpad bug 1039818 in glance "v2 API should provide image properties Nova depends on" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039818 21:17:25 markmc: if somebody wants to take it on, I'd be more than happy 21:17:43 #help someone from nova could help with bug #1039818 21:17:50 * markmc hands gold star to bcwaldon 21:17:53 anything else? 21:17:56 markmc: aw, thanks 21:17:58 markmc: not from me 21:18:02 cool 21:18:09 #topic Quantum status 21:18:17 last weeks actions ... 21:18:19 danwent/ttx to discuss XML support FFE status 21:18:19 danwent and team to triage all bugs and build the RC bug list 21:18:27 danwent, oh hai - forgot to ask are you there? 21:18:29 done and one 21:18:31 done 21:18:36 i am now :) 21:18:39 cool 21:18:45 so no FFE for XML support? 21:19:07 nope. we did a purge of a lot of things that were iffy yesterday so we could focus on core functionality and docs 21:19:11 that was one of the victims 21:19:14 #info no FFE for XML support 21:19:16 ok 21:19:18 #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:19:25 only one bp remaining ... test-agent? 21:19:54 yes, an that is testing only, so not a big deal. we need it to get better devstack coverage though, which is why we're keeping it in folsom 21:20:04 there is one bug that i wanted to highlight though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039400 21:20:05 Launchpad bug 1039400 in quantum "nova security groups issues with quantum-v2-api integration" [Critical,Confirmed] 21:20:23 the complexity of the interaction between quantum + nova security groups is worse than we thought 21:20:54 Salvatore is working on this. The change should be contained to quantum-specific code in nova, but I wanted to give the nova folks a heads up 21:21:44 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039400 - nova security groups issues with quantum-v2-api integration 21:21:56 Launchpad bug 1039400 in quantum "nova security groups issues with quantum-v2-api integration" [Critical,Confirmed] 21:22:00 ok, a bit much to digest at first glance, but sounds scary 21:22:07 eta on patches? 21:22:20 hoping by thursday 21:22:25 ok 21:22:31 how bad is it if it doesn't make it? 21:22:37 pretty bad :) 21:22:52 yeah, especially since this is the first release with quantum in core 21:22:57 yup. 21:23:03 anything else of concern on the nova integration front? 21:23:10 this is very do-able, i just feel bad b/c nova core devs will have to reivew 21:23:10 * markmc sees some good discussion on-list 21:23:43 other than that, docs are actually my biggest concern 21:24:01 quantum docs in general, or nova/quantum integration docs? 21:24:20 quantum docs in general. so much has changed since essex. 21:24:34 garyk, salvatore and I are point on this. 21:24:47 ok, and you're looking for more help? 21:24:51 danwent: you do have a nice outline going for the admin docs. But I share your concerns, esp. since nova-network has to remain documented in the Compute Admin guide. 21:25:06 annegentle: agreed. 21:25:21 danwent: your API guide looks to be in good shape, is that a good assessment? 21:25:26 markmc: i'll be pinging core devs for help on sections that they wrote the feature 21:25:30 just mentioning it as a risk 21:25:41 ok, thanks 21:25:43 annegentle: yes, salv-orlando rocked on that one. 21:25:57 this is more admin guide that i'm concerned about. install, setup, basic use cases, etc. 21:26:01 on the test-agent bp, are you looking to extend FFE by another week? 21:26:08 #help admin and deployment docs for Quantum needed (install, setup, basic use cases, etc.) 21:26:13 FFE technically ends today 21:26:19 but as you said, it's for testing 21:26:21 no. i've told nati that it has to be merged by thursday, or its out. 21:26:27 ok, good 21:26:41 anything else? 21:26:49 not that i can think of 21:26:53 quick note related to quantum-nova integration, this review is blocking a possible FFE blueprint for horizon (public network support): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11796/ I know people are working on it, I just wanted to call it out. 21:27:32 gabrielhurley: thanks for pointing that out 21:27:55 #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11796/ blocking horizon's public network support 21:28:26 ok 21:28:29 * markmc moves on 21:28:36 #topic Cinder status 21:28:44 last weeks action ... 21:28:44 :) 21:28:45 jgriffith and Cinder team to triage new bugs and come up with a list of release blockers 21:28:57 looks like you've done some of that? 21:29:01 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1038062 21:29:02 Launchpad bug 1038062 in cinder "TgtAdm is broken" [Undecided,In progress] 21:29:13 That's the last blocker (for now) 21:29:30 jgriffith, blocker but unprioritized and not targeted? :) 21:29:30 We're closer, but not where I want it yet 21:29:40 markmc: Doh.. fixing now 21:29:42 #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:30:03 done 21:30:11 #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1038062 "TgtAdm is broken" is a blocker 21:30:12 Launchpad bug 1038062 in cinder "TgtAdm is broken" [Critical,Confirmed] 21:30:22 jgriffith, how concerned are you about #1038062? 21:30:41 I'll have it fixed in the next 24 hours 21:30:51 Just how much it's going to take to fix it 21:30:54 ok, cool 21:30:59 I may end up dropping the iscsi_targets table 21:31:05 depending on the screams that result 21:31:20 implications of dropping the table? 21:31:24 I should probably get with vishy offline and advice 21:31:34 Means changing the way we manage iscsi connections 21:31:46 specifically the delete aspect 21:32:01 trouble is the new persistent targets won't let us specify a tid on creation 21:32:22 ok, not following the detail here 21:32:33 So in a nutshell: 21:32:36 hope we have something figured out by next week, sounds scary 21:33:01 I have it figured out, just hoping to find a less disruptive fix 21:33:05 doh 21:33:22 markmc: lol... so scary you had to leave? ;-) 21:33:26 LOL 21:33:29 heh 21:33:37 * markmc blames gnome :) 21:33:45 I can provide more detail if desired, or offline 21:33:48 jgriffith, btw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1041334 is targeted but not prioritized 21:33:49 Launchpad bug 1041334 in tempest "lvremove failure on volume delete when creating and deleting volumes with the same name" [Undecided,In progress] 21:34:12 This is actually the same bug 21:34:18 same root cause at any rate 21:34:24 I'll update to reflect that 21:34:25 heh, ok 21:34:45 also, there's 8 untriaged bugs still which is a fairly high proportion 21:35:00 would be good to make sure there's nothing terrifying in there 21:35:14 ok, cool stuff 21:35:16 anything else? 21:35:20 there minimal issues, all in review 21:35:35 nope... just telling people NO on new features now :( 21:35:47 that's a good plan 21:36:05 If Ben doesn't fix his two I'll just fix them end of week and close them 21:36:27 jgriffith, by untriaged, I meant these: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New 21:36:48 yep, I'll clean those up as well 21:36:56 cool, ok 21:37:03 thanks jgriffith 21:37:09 #topic Nova status 21:37:10 thank you! 21:37:12 vishy! 21:37:21 last weeks actions ... 21:37:28 1) nova-core and ttx to review FFE for entry point stuff by Thursday 21:37:38 that's done, decided to delay until grizzly 21:37:44 2) vishy to find a way to get untriaged bugcount to 0 21:37:58 we've made solid enough progress, but still have ~50 untriaged 21:38:04 down from ~110 last week AFAIR 21:38:12 #help nova needs bug triagers! 21:38:20 vishy, there? 21:38:45 #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:38:57 hi 21:39:02 ok, we had 2 FFEs 21:39:12 os-api-network-create and project-specific-flavors 21:39:16 both merged, right? 21:39:38 yes 21:39:44 just marked the other implemented 21:39:53 great, thanks 21:39:55 we are past feature freeze and into bug fixing now 21:40:10 awesome 21:40:16 how are we looking on the bugs front? 21:40:29 * markmc notes 7 unassigned targeted bugs 21:41:12 the unfixed high/critical ones look mostly related to quantum 21:41:49 these are mostly new 21:41:53 I haven't looked over them yet 21:42:26 ok, well only 1 critical is promising 21:42:34 bug triage seems to be the big concern 21:42:42 anything else you're particularly concerned about? 21:42:45 or need help with? 21:42:51 xml :) 21:43:11 that clown show? 21:43:22 ok, I guess we cover that in the thursday meetings 21:43:27 do you see it as a release blocker? 21:43:33 we're not talking regressions here, are we? 21:43:55 markmc: not regressions 21:44:08 markmc: just trying to find out what works and fix the broken parts 21:44:21 ok, well that probably moves it out of release blocker territory 21:44:31 i.e. if we could release essex with broken xml ... :) 21:44:39 but would be awesome to have it in good shape 21:45:10 vishy, how aware of you about what's going on on the quantum integration front? 21:45:19 that sounds like release blocker territory 21:45:24 * markmc hasn't been following closely 21:45:36 markmc: I agree. I need to sync up with danwent and find out 21:45:44 vishy, ok, cool 21:46:03 vishy, and note jgriffith's cinder/iscsi issue above 21:46:26 ok, good 21:46:35 overall, not terrifying 21:46:41 which is probably as good as it gets with nova :) 21:46:43 vishy: its not all that serious. just that there will be a non-trivial review headed your way later this week. 21:47:02 danwent: ok 21:47:07 vishy: wil ping you offline 21:47:13 danwent: great 21:47:16 anything else? 21:47:47 cool 21:47:49 * markmc moves on 21:47:52 #topic Horizon status 21:47:55 gabrielhurley, hey 21:47:56 Aye sir 21:48:17 any FFEs? you mentioned the quantum public network support? 21:48:25 #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/folsom-rc1 21:48:30 yep, there's a review pending for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-public-network 21:48:36 blocked by the nova review I linked earlier 21:48:50 it's pretty minor as far as an FFE, so if the others land I'll see to it that it's good 21:49:02 cool 21:49:11 are you happy to land it before the nova patch? 21:49:19 e.g. if we know the nova API for it won't change? 21:49:30 no, if that doesn't go in the horizon feature is a no-go 21:49:42 ok 21:49:46 so I'd rather see everything else land first just to be safe 21:50:13 sounds like there's good progress there, so hopefully it and the horizon patch will land by this time next week 21:50:19 that's my impression 21:50:20 ls 21:50:28 cool 21:50:34 bug-wise, we didn't fix as many this week as I'd have liked, but new ones aren't being reported at any alarming rate and what's left are minor, so that's a positive sign. 21:50:46 yeah, was about to say 21:50:54 a bunch targeted but no critical/high 21:50:54 I've been on top of the triage as they come in 21:50:57 yeah 21:51:03 the list is only +1 since last week 21:51:13 I've spent more time supporting people on Essex, lol 21:51:22 the high priority bugs are all grizzly? 21:51:22 https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed 21:51:30 uggh, nasty link 21:51:34 that's a n awful URL 21:51:51 just clicked on the "High importance bugs" link 21:51:52 yeah, those are all for later 21:51:59 one of those is fixed... 21:52:04 that needs to be bumped into Folsom 21:52:21 target fixed 21:52:44 just a bit odd for high priority bugs to not be targeted :) 21:52:55 e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/961761 has been around for 6+ months 21:52:56 Launchpad bug 961761 in horizon "If nova-network is down, Access and Security panel hangs" [High,Confirmed] 21:52:58 anyhow 21:52:59 what, you expect long-term planning? ;-) 21:53:03 awesome job on triaging :) 21:53:09 want to help with nova triaging? :) 21:53:24 961761 is one of those "there's not really much to do about it" bugs. 21:53:29 ha, no thanks 21:53:33 anything else on horizon? 21:53:39 not that I can think of. things are good. 21:53:43 thanks 21:53:45 #topic Other team reports (docs, CI...) 21:53:53 o/ 21:53:56 hey 21:54:09 Our bug/task list is triaged for folsom 21:54:15 got a link? 21:54:17 about 24 bugs/tasks marked High 21:54:34 #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/folsom 21:54:50 I want to note that 10 of them are noting the lack of Compute API extension documents. 21:54:57 I'm also seeking design work on api.openstack.org to give it navigation and direct links. 21:55:07 #help design work on api.openstack.org to give it navigation and direct links 21:55:34 #help review docs at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals,n,z 21:55:37 that's all I got! 21:55:40 ok, cool stuff 21:55:53 things are in good shape? or desperately need help? 21:56:21 oh I'm a worrier so I tend towards the desperately need help :) 21:56:44 heh, ok 21:56:52 thanks annegentle 21:56:56 we're relying heavily on projects (Quantum, Keystone, and Cinder) to do their own doc work and reviews 21:57:27 ok - danwent and heckj did mention that 21:57:38 jgriffith, you aware that you guys are on the hook for cinder docs? 21:57:44 Oh yes 21:57:49 heh, ok 21:57:52 :) 21:58:01 any other teams to report? 21:58:16 * markmc has nothing much on stable branch or openstack-common front 21:58:28 both need help with reviews 21:58:43 ok, moving on ... 21:58:44 #topic Open discussion 21:58:51 anybody? 21:59:24 8/30 is the deadline for proposals for the non-blueprinty side of the Summit 21:59:41 #info 8/30 is the deadline for proposals for the non-blueprinty side of the Summit 21:59:47 indeedy 21:59:55 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/call-for-speakers/ 22:00:06 so, I guess there was non-blueprinty stuff at last years summit 22:00:23 should that kind of stuff move to this part of the conf? 22:00:24 * annegentle is allergic to "conference" 22:00:30 or is it roughly the same as last year? 22:00:52 it's all the Summit this time, just different ways to propose talks and more tracks 22:01:17 * markmc admits to being slightly confused :) 22:01:26 #info tax will open proposal system for blueprint talks around Sept. 7th 22:01:40 not tax. anyway. :) 22:01:42 #info ttx will open proposal system for blueprint talks around Sept. 7th 22:01:43 :) 22:01:54 ok, thanks 22:02:08 meeting over, except I should go back over and add action items 22:02:15 thanks everyone 22:02:19 is there another meeting now? 22:02:44 meh, I'll add action items to the wiki :) 22:02:47 #endmeeting