21:02:50 #startmeeting product working group 21:02:51 Meeting started Mon Jul 24 21:02:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:55 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 21:03:06 #topic roll call 21:03:17 Hi who's here for the PWG meeting today? 21:04:12 o/ 21:04:14 Hi pchadwick 21:04:35 o/ 21:04:41 It's just us so far... let's give another 4-5 minutes 21:04:45 Hi MeganR 21:04:59 Hi MeganR, hi Shamail. 21:05:07 Ah - summertime. 21:05:11 Yep yep 21:05:16 o/ 21:05:20 Leong is in China for OpenStack Days 21:05:24 Hi rockyg 21:05:33 hey 21:05:37 hello 21:05:47 Hi Arkady_Kanevsky 21:05:52 Let's get started! 21:06:04 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 21:06:09 ^ agenda for today 21:06:30 I have to drop off at 5:30P (23 minutes)... anyone willing to chair afterwards? 21:06:39 I need to drop as well. 21:06:55 lets do everything in 25 min 21:07:12 #topic Review of action items 21:07:13 we did not had meeting laest week. 21:07:16 Arkady_Kanevsky, ++ 21:07:29 Any open items that anyone wants to give an update on? 21:07:36 did not get any feedback on on my wiki proposal. Will start executing on it. 21:07:58 expect no response as no objections to proceed. 21:08:06 Andy and I will divi up work on it 21:08:20 Sounds great, thanks Arkady_Kanevsky 21:08:46 Changing topics 21:08:53 #topic Virtual Product WG Midcycle 21:09:07 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VIR-pwg-meetup-2017q3 21:09:16 We have quite a few topics in the etherpad 21:09:48 do we want to vote on the topics as we are voting on the dates 21:09:49 ? 21:10:01 pchadwick: +1 21:10:13 how to vote? 21:10:29 Please vote in the etherpad for the next couple of minutes 21:10:30 haveing 3 +1 to use; priority order? 21:10:49 Can someone please read the results afterwards? I'm mobile so etherpad won't cooperate :) 21:11:16 I would say +1 all topics you think are a good use of time and then we can determine length and trim if needed 21:13:31 Did everyone vote? 21:13:39 yes 21:14:16 Thanks. Anyone else? Please let us know when you're ready to proceed 21:14:17 yeah 21:14:31 I'm done 21:14:31 looks like week of sept11 is a winner 21:14:32 I'm good 21:14:45 Cool 21:15:03 Alright, anyone mind listing the top 5 topics? 21:15:15 (Can't view etherpad) 21:15:29 PWG objectives and action plan 21:15:38 OpenStack roadmap and end of big tent 21:15:49 Review/define our measure of effectiveness 21:16:07 Tie for next 3 21:16:09 Development Proposal Readiness Assessment Process 21:16:17 Revisit CPL and project laiason 21:16:25 What's the next step to get more engagement/support from TC/PTL/Core 21:16:35 Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky 21:16:42 and one more for the tie - What's the next step to get more engagement/support from TC/PTL/Core 21:16:57 sorry - Review proposals we drive 21:17:09 It seems that measure of effectiveness and more engagement could be grouped under PWG objectives and plan 21:17:13 Top 3 are clear 21:17:38 That's a pretty good list 21:17:41 How do we want to drive remote meeting? 21:17:50 Do we spread it over 3 days? 21:17:54 PWG objectives and define measure of effectiveness are closely related. 21:18:01 One major, one minor topic a day? 21:18:12 How many hours per day? 21:18:32 MY guess is 3 hours. 21:18:39 OK 21:18:40 2 for major, 1 for minor 21:18:54 bio break in between 21:18:57 I'm thinking PWG objectives with those topics grouped under it = 3 hours, roadmap = 1 hour, Dev Proposal Readiness = 1 hour, CPL = 30 min, Proposals we drive = 1 hour 21:19:12 So about 6.5 hours of topics 21:19:33 How about 2 days at 4 hours each? 21:19:50 This gives us time for breaks and overflow 21:19:52 That should be doable from my side. 21:19:57 which days? 21:20:10 Tuesday and Wednesday are much better for me. 21:20:13 (in the PM) 21:20:50 Arkady_Kanevsky: not sure yet, 9/11 seems to be the winner. We should do a doodle poll with 3-4 different 2 day options for that week. 21:21:05 +1 for the Doodle poll 21:21:23 Spet 11 is wrong as it PTG week. 21:21:25 +1 21:21:30 It should be a week before 21:21:47 Which week won? 21:21:53 A lot of us aren't at PTG 21:22:07 I think it is Sept 5-8 21:22:39 Will take a look 21:22:53 but some people are and foundation people are there 21:22:58 The 9/4 and 9/11 seem to be a tie 21:23:08 11-SEP has one more vote. 21:23:40 Arkady_kanevsky didn't vote for 4-SEP 21:23:42 #action shamail will send out poll to confirm midcycle: will make M/Tu, Tu/W, W/Th, Th/F the options 21:23:48 Yeah. 9/11 got negative votes. 21:23:57 interwebs! 21:23:58 I thought 9/18 had negative 21:24:07 Will take a look tonight and pick the winner 21:24:10 Hi mrhillsman 21:24:12 Check to see the diff between the + and - signs 21:24:22 Okay, moving on! 21:24:23 Ah - rockyg missed that. 21:24:32 +4 for Spet 4. +3 for Sept 11 21:24:43 #topic Sydney Summit/Forum preparation 21:24:55 Who submitted sessions? Need any help? 21:25:17 We typically have a BoF, working session, and roadmap 21:25:24 pchadwick has roadmap session 21:25:37 Anne and I started discussing the roadmap process 21:25:40 I think leong submitted the other two 21:25:49 Plan is to use the same template and flow that we did last time. 21:25:59 If anyone has suggestions to improve, let us know. 21:26:04 Hey, I discussed too :P 21:26:06 submitted a panel on interop with projects outside of the foundation projects 21:26:18 Nice rockyg 21:26:19 shamail +1 21:26:33 I just won't be there (only in spirit) 21:26:50 BoF submissions haven't opened yet. 21:26:55 I don't *think* 21:27:01 Let's find out from Leong next week if he needs help with BoF 21:27:07 rockyg: +1 21:27:16 BoF will open with Forum sessions 21:27:55 #action let PWG know if you submitted a session and want help 21:28:16 #topic review open changes 21:28:23 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/development-proposals+status:open 21:29:03 I see a few that need a recheck 21:29:07 (No verified) 21:29:31 Should we abandon the submissions from Piet? 21:29:34 quite a few there 21:29:42 I have AI to review 2 proposals 21:30:13 mrhillsman: yes, lots of older items where the person leading is no longer involved 21:30:44 We should review this list at the midcycle and groom it 21:30:48 It's possible some of Piet's got resubmitted. I think he had a log msg traceability one that is now a real one. 21:30:59 ++ 21:31:18 rockyg: nice but the ones listed here are superseded or inactive right? 21:31:38 Unless the new ones reference this proposal in which case it should probably merge after cleanup 21:31:52 We need to review the ownership of current proposals and new submitted one. WHo are new owners for the ones that lost onwer. 21:32:18 Sounds good 21:32:37 #action We should review open items at midcycle and groom the list. 21:32:46 #topic opens 21:32:57 Anything else? 21:33:08 We did the meeting in 33 minutes! 21:33:13 Have we abandon review of forum feedback? 21:33:17 hurray! 21:33:28 we had Ais from 2 weeks ago on it. 21:33:29 Arkady_Kanevsky: we should discuss this once leong is back 21:33:35 OK 21:33:41 ciao all 21:33:50 I think the Ops midcycle will use the hashtag system but it didn't provide much value at the Forum 21:33:51 Thanks all. 21:34:09 (We didn't follow up and look for insights from the data) 21:34:16 diagree. we did not had resources to review results 21:34:25 correct shamail 21:34:25 Exactly 21:34:51 We have to ensure that we can deliver before asking for the forum hashtags 21:34:53 ++ 21:34:58 +1 21:35:04 thank you everyone! 21:35:08 Thanks! 21:35:11 20 min gives me time to review some patches 21:35:13 thanks 21:35:14 Bye! 21:35:17 mrhillsman: good luck at OpenStack Day China 21:35:23 Cya 21:35:23 thx 21:35:27 l8r 21:35:28 #endmeeting