06:01:51 <kei> #startmeeting product_working_group
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06:01:58 <kei> hi!
06:02:01 <leong> hello kei
06:02:10 <kei> hi leong
06:02:23 <leong> how are you doing kei...
06:02:40 <kei> leong: i'm great, thanks.
06:03:02 <kei> You can find the agenda for today here:
06:03:16 <kei> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team
06:04:13 <kei> leong: can we start with the first agenda?
06:04:16 <leong> anyone else for the Product WG regional meeting?
06:04:30 <kei> i believe there're hieulq and tovin07
06:05:00 <tovin07> o/
06:05:12 <kei> hi tovin07
06:05:21 <tovin07> hello kei :D
06:05:26 <leong> nice :)
06:05:52 <leong> let's move on to the first agenda itm
06:05:57 <kei> ok
06:06:04 <kei> #topic User Story
06:06:24 <leong> I have submitted a User Story Tracker for Baremetal..
06:06:33 <leong> #link Baremetal Tracker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429946/
06:06:35 <kei> leong: thank you.
06:06:43 <leong> it is still work-in-progress.
06:07:12 <leong> there are still more information need to be included.
06:07:27 <leong> that's why it is marked "WIP:
06:07:48 <leong> i will try to fill up the rest of the information over the next few days
06:08:23 <kei> leong: sounds great.
06:08:46 <leong> if you have any question, feel free to reply/comment on the gerrit patch
06:09:17 <kei> leong: so you'll be adding more features to the file, right?
06:09:36 <leong> yup.. basically based on the gap-analysis document
06:09:44 <kei> currently, there're Console, NMI, Graceful shutdown, and unified management.
06:09:54 <kei> leong: i see.
06:10:13 <kei> leong: sounds like it's my job...  thanks again.
06:10:29 <leong> not problem :-)
06:11:02 <leong> just bring me a snack from Japan next time we meet :)
06:11:23 <kei> leong: sure :)
06:13:10 <leong> once we got more details to merge the tracker, we should be able to see the data on featuretracker.openstack.org (but the site is down now)
06:14:20 <kei> leong: ok.  i'll take a look at the site later once it's back online.
06:14:51 <leong> sure
06:15:28 <kei> leong: as for posting a revised patch for bare metal user story, i haven't done it yet.  i'll do that this week to start a dicussion of "Wei vs new persona"
06:15:46 <leong> ok.. thanks kei
06:16:38 <kei> leong: sorry, but there's not much updates for bare metal.  can we move on to the logging (the name may be changed) user story?
06:16:47 <leong> sure!
06:17:04 <kei> hieulq: are you there?
06:17:18 <tovin07> he will be late for a little bit
06:17:27 <tovin07> sorry for that
06:18:12 <kei> tovin07: no problem.
06:18:13 <leong> i believe Rockyg from Huawei also interested to work on Logging
06:18:41 <leong> The LCOO working group also interested to collaborate on Logging user story
06:18:42 <kei> leong: yes, i communicated with her before.
06:19:25 <kei> leong: by "Logging user story", do you mean our user story that we were going to submit?
06:19:54 <hieulq> o/
06:20:02 <leong> yes.. but collaborate with Huawei and LCOO to define the user story requirements as a grou
06:20:05 <leong> group
06:20:12 <hieulq> sorry for being late, my lap met some troubles
06:20:17 <kei> leong: understood.
06:21:17 <kei> leong: like we discussed last time, our requirement tend to be tracing.  but we have some requirements for logging two.  we may need to sort them out first.
06:21:27 <kei> hieulq: hi.  no problem.
06:22:25 <leong> kei: that shouldn't be a problem.. let's continue to draft our requirements here, and can invite others to review
06:22:53 <kei> leong: as for tracing, we're finalizing it now.  hieulq was on holidays last week and revised and sent a revised one to me yesterday.  apprecaite that, hieulq.
06:23:15 <leong> maybe we should name it as "Logging for traceability"
06:23:20 <hieulq> kei, my pleasure ;)
06:23:38 <hieulq> leong, we are drafting it with the name "distributed tracing"
06:23:53 <kei> we're trying to clearly divide our requirements into logging and tracing so that we can post the tracing user story dependently for review.
06:24:25 <leong> hieulq: that's fine.. as long as we clearly define the 'problem statement'
06:24:29 <kei> logging should be more complicated as many people are interested and their requirement may be similar, but differnt in details.
06:24:44 <leong> kei: agree
06:25:22 <kei> leong: we'll try to submit the user story this week.
06:25:27 <kei> hieulq: let's get it done :)
06:25:47 <leong> that's great. Thanks for the effort, kei and hieulq
06:26:43 <kei> leong: sorry it's taking time.
06:26:43 <leong> drop me the link when it is submitted
06:26:52 <kei> leong: sure thing.
06:27:36 <kei> leong: hieulq: tovin07:  sorry, but my network is not good today.  that's why there's sometimes a silence from my side...
06:29:59 <leong> let me know if you need help on submitting the user story
06:30:47 <kei> leong: thanks!
06:31:04 <kei> leong: should we move on to Opens?
06:31:10 <leong> sure
06:31:25 <kei> #topic Opens
06:31:45 <kei> does anyone have any other topics to discuss today?
06:31:52 <leong> FYI.. here's the link to the minutes of US timezone meeting this morning
06:32:10 <leong> #link US meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-06-21.00.html
06:32:37 <leong> in summary, the midcycle is still planning-in-progress, pending PWG attendance confirmation
06:32:42 <leong> and location
06:33:09 <leong> for the Boston summit, i have submitted a "working session" for PWG
06:33:24 <leong> kenny submitted a Birds_of_feather session for PWG
06:33:29 <kei> leong: yes.  thanks for the submission.
06:33:43 <kei> leong: i see.
06:33:57 <leong> I also submitted another session (with AndyU + Kei) to promote Product WG to the community
06:34:21 <leong> Shamail submitted a Roadmap session
06:34:27 <kei> leong: thanks so much.
06:34:52 <leong> Kencjohnston and Arcady_Kanevsky might also work on an update for "rolling-upgrade" user story
06:35:41 <kei> leong: i think i'll be there as some fujitsu engineers are invovled in the rolling-upgrade development.
06:35:44 <leong> that's about the sessions i am aware of from Product WG perspective
06:35:58 <leong> nice kei
06:36:27 <leong> Another thing for the Forum.
06:36:50 <leong> PWG is making a proposal to facilitate the upcoming Forum
06:36:50 <kei> leong: ok.  do you have any ideas how many presentations will be taken place this time at the summit?  usually the number is over 1000.
06:37:02 <kei> leong: oh sorry, go ahead.
06:37:09 <leong> no problem kei..
06:37:36 <leong> i have no clue on the amount of presentation :)
06:37:52 <leong> here's the link to the PWG proposal
06:38:07 <leong> #link Proposal to facilitate Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit
06:38:24 <leong> we will discuss this proposal in the next UC meeting
06:38:30 <leong> feel free to comments on the slides
06:39:17 <leong> that's my updates from the US-meeting
06:39:20 <leong> :)
06:44:37 <kei> leong: i just took a quick look at it.  looks like a good thing to do.  i'll look into it more later.
06:44:52 <leong> thanks!
06:45:47 <kei> leong: if the slide deck has its purpose (or issues to address) explicitely, it'd be even better?
06:46:29 <leong> +1 great point
06:46:41 <leong> i will look into that
06:46:51 <kei> "issues to address" might not be appropriate here.  maybe "things to achieve"?
06:47:15 <leong> "Filling the gap" ?
06:47:43 <kei> leong: it might be it.
06:50:49 <kei> ok, anything else?
06:51:04 <leong> nothing from e
06:51:05 <leong> me
06:51:35 <kei> ok.  let's finish it today.  thanks everyone!
06:52:04 <leong> thanks kei!
06:52:08 <kei> #endmeeting