06:00:39 #startmeeting product_working_group 06:00:40 Meeting started Tue Dec 13 06:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 06:00:44 The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' 06:00:49 o/ 06:00:51 Hi! 06:01:05 This is a PWG regional meeting. 06:01:12 konijiwa kei :-) 06:01:36 konnichiwa, leong 06:01:48 You can find the agenda for today here: 06:02:10 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team 06:02:17 who else is here for product wg regional meeting? 06:03:04 here is the agenda. 06:03:06 apart from kei and I, who else is here for product wg regional meeting? 06:04:34 looks like we have low attendance today ? 06:04:57 we probably want to do more promotion/marketing to this meeting... 06:05:07 looks to me hieulq, who just joined to this channel, is a person I know... 06:05:32 and maybe tovin07 and tuanluong too?... 06:06:24 let's just kick start the meeting agenda discussion... 06:07:34 hoping that more will join later.. 06:09:26 kei.. u want to set the agenda topic? 06:09:42 Morning 06:09:52 hi tuanluong! 06:09:53 Sorry I was just talking with them out side of this channel. 06:10:36 i think we should involve them as some of them are working on logging. 06:10:38 > leong 06:10:46 +1 kei 06:11:00 let's begin the first agenda item 06:11:02 ok. let's begin. 06:11:27 the first one is Midcycle Planning. 06:11:52 do you want to set the irc topic by typing #topic Midcycle Planning 06:12:04 :) 06:12:34 leong: of course :) i somehow forgot to do so... 06:12:42 #topic Midcycle Planning 06:12:53 np :) 06:13:20 the ops midcycle will be Mar 15th and 16th 06:13:23 at Milan Italy 06:14:04 so the Product WG is looking to have a meetup as well at Milan 06:14:24 it will more likely be at Mar 13 and 14. 06:14:33 the team is still looking for a location 06:14:56 if anyone from members company has a local office who can host us, please us me know :) 06:15:20 here's the info for Ops Midcycle in case u need it. 06:15:23 leong: thanks. is there any pages of proposals for agenda at the midcycle yet? 06:15:30 #link Ops Midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup 06:15:38 thanks 06:15:40 thanks leong 06:15:51 that is the link for the Ops meetup 06:16:07 i haven't got the link for PWG agenda yet. 06:16:33 leong: ah, ok. 06:17:00 i will ask Carol for the PWG meetup agenda 06:17:20 leong: that'd be great. 06:17:42 #action leong to check with carol for the PWG midcycle meetup agenda 06:17:56 leong: thanks! 06:18:12 anyone else has question regarding the ops midcycle? 06:18:55 none from me for now. 06:20:01 ok. shall we move on to the next agenda? 06:20:14 then let's move to next topic.. 06:20:39 #topic User Story - Alignment with UX Persona 06:21:41 the team decided to follow the UX Persona guidelines when writing the user story... 06:22:10 #link UX Persona: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/ux-ui-guidelines/ux-personas.html 06:22:33 so we need to update all the user story to use the "persona" as mentioned in the above guideline 06:23:37 for example, in the user story, we should write: "as Rey - cloud operator, i will do this and that" 06:24:14 if there is any role/persona not covered by existing persona, we shall submit/request to add new persona to the guidelines 06:24:25 interesting. 06:24:48 so we need to update the "baremetal user story" to reflex the persona. 06:25:17 instead of just saying "as an enterprise user", we need to define explicitly what an enterprise user is.. 06:25:44 leong: sure. i'll work on that. 06:26:16 that will be great kei.. if you can submit the patch, i will review it 06:26:39 leong: thanks! btw, i saw your posting about adding unique ID. thanks for that too. 06:27:01 no problem :) 06:27:10 leong: is there any deadlines for the persona thing? 06:27:27 kei, do you want to put an AR to yourself on that (submit a patch to reflex person for baremetal user story) .... :) 06:27:39 by end of the week.. haha :) 06:28:10 should be a quick change.. i think we can just replace "enterprise user" with "rey - cloud operator" 06:28:23 #action kei to update bare metal user story to reflex the persona 06:28:27 unless the "enterprise user" can refer to some other persona/role 06:28:51 kei, let me know once u submit the patch, i can help you with that. 06:29:11 leong: yes, that could be just it. 06:29:28 leong: yes, i'll let you know once i've done it. 06:29:58 any other questions to the UX persona? 06:30:28 leong: oh, i missed "by the end of the week" comment. i'll try that. 06:31:13 we are hoping make all the ux persona changes as soon.. cuz many people will be on vacation after this week... 06:31:28 leong: true. 06:31:56 next topic? 06:32:17 #topic User Story - Bare metal 06:32:32 i've already talked about bare metal user story a bit though... 06:33:37 kei: anything else that we need to do to push forward the bare metal user story? 06:33:39 i think i'll update the user story to reflex the persona and them put a priority to each feature. 06:33:57 yup.. we need the "priority" of each feature 06:34:14 kei: please submit them as two separate patches 06:34:45 leong: sure thing. btw, we're finilizing the priority in fujitsu, nearing ocata. 06:35:33 good to hear that! 06:36:21 ok. next topic. 06:36:36 #topic User Story - Logging 06:37:23 oh, before going any further. 06:37:29 kei: have you start working/drafting the logging user story? or still looking for help? 06:37:41 #action kei to put priority on each feature of bare metal user story 06:37:48 +1 kei :) 06:38:04 leong: yes, i have. 06:38:17 hieulq should help me on this. 06:38:27 kei sure :) 06:38:37 hieulq: i'll talk to you about this later. 06:38:38 the LCOO WG also interested in the Logging, the team briefly talked about in this morning meeting 06:39:02 hi hieulq :) 06:39:08 leong: what's the LCOO WG? 06:39:16 hi leong, sorry for lurking 06:39:19 Large Contributing OpenStack Operator 06:40:03 leong: ah, the thing you talked about on the phone before. 06:40:31 fyi.. #link LCOO: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO 06:41:03 leong: thanks. 06:41:15 companies such as NTT, AT&T, Walmart, Comcast, etc... 06:41:22 hieulq: there's should be good inputs for us. please take a look at the link. 06:41:27 Fujitsu might have interest to join :) 06:41:54 * hieulq now looking at the link 06:42:01 leong: we could be lcoo. 06:42:08 hieulq: nice. 06:43:32 maybe kei and hieulq can propose a draft for the Logging user story and share with PWG mailling first to invite more participation 06:44:12 leong: i believe that's a good way to go. 06:45:50 #action kei to propose the first draft for logging user story. 06:46:09 looks like kei will be very busy..:) 06:46:42 give me a shout whenever u need help ... 06:47:46 of course. thanks, leong 06:48:29 looks like LCOO has some info on Logging 06:48:41 #link LCOO Logging: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LCOO-Working-Logging 06:50:56 that's a nice resource. 06:51:14 almost the info listed in the link are focusing on 'fixing the log for easy troubleshooting' 06:51:27 time check: we have 9 mins 06:51:37 hieulq: you're right. 06:51:45 leong: ok. let's move on. 06:52:11 let's work on the draft and collaborate with intersted parties such as LCOO 06:52:14 the last one is Open. we can either continue the discussion or start a new topic. 06:52:28 start a new topic on Open :-) 06:52:41 that will make the irc meeting summary clean 06:52:41 :) 06:53:14 leong: yes, submitting a draft as soon as possible is important to start a dicussion with interested people. 06:53:30 #topic Open 06:53:34 leong: sorry... 06:53:50 no worry kei, u are good :) 06:54:19 i'm hoping the regional meeting can attract more folks to join from APAC 06:55:07 leong: i'm too. 06:55:29 we need to keep this meeting going on a regular basis 06:56:28 hieulq: do you think you guys will be able to join from the next time as you're working on logging? 06:56:40 leong: that's right. 06:56:45 kei sure, we will join 06:56:59 count us in from next meeting 06:57:18 originally this regional meeting is to meet biweekly 06:57:27 yes 06:57:28 hieulq: great. 06:57:32 yes 06:57:36 I will join 06:57:39 cool! 06:57:59 do we want to continue as biweekly? or change to weekly? 06:58:39 leong: let's keep it biweekly for now. we can change the frequency later. 06:58:45 ok... 06:59:01 but two weeks later is 26th... 06:59:13 i believe most will be a holiday? 06:59:19 leong: oh, you talked about specifically the next time? 06:59:29 actually both :) 06:59:38 i am fine to stick with biweekly 06:59:39 leong: i thought you talked about the general thing. 07:00:39 leong: checking my calendar quickly. i'm afraid i won't be available on next tue. 07:01:01 leong: it's about time to finish the meeting. 07:01:01 so should we meet Jan 2nd the next meeting? 07:01:17 leong: it's national holiday in japan... 07:01:36 then the next will be Jan 9th? 07:01:38 maybe we should change the day somewhere next week? 07:02:01 if changing the day, we need to make sure we have a free irc slot for meeting 07:02:19 i think we can stick to the same day, let's just set to Jan 9th for next meeting 07:02:24 leong sound good, it will be Tue Jan 10th in Vietnam 07:02:37 sorry.. is Jan 10th :-) 07:02:38 leong: that's right... 9th it is then. 07:02:43 my fault.. timzeone... :-) 07:02:52 10th it is then :) 07:03:05 #agree next PWG regional meeting Jan 10th 07:03:08 same time 07:03:17 yes, same time. 07:03:22 see you all then, and merry christmas, happy new year! 07:03:40 same to you, leong. have a good one! 07:03:57 thanks, everyone! 07:03:57 #endmeeting