16:00:04 <lbragstad> #startmeeting policy
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16:00:08 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'policy'
16:00:08 <lbragstad> ping  raildo, ktychkova, rderose, htruta, hrybacki, atrmr, gagehugo, lamt, thinrichs, edmondsw, ruan_he, ayoung, kmalloc, raj_singh, johnthetubaguy, knikolla, nhelgeson
16:00:13 <cmurphy> o/
16:00:17 <lbragstad> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-policy-meeting
16:00:20 <lbragstad> agenda ^
16:00:20 <edmondsw> o/
16:00:22 <lbragstad> o/
16:00:46 <hrybacki> o/ listens but is in several mtgs at once
16:00:49 <gagehugo> o/
16:02:53 <lbragstad> alright
16:02:58 <lbragstad> #topic open discussion
16:03:05 <lbragstad> this worked pretty well last time :)
16:03:45 <lbragstad> but nothing specific on the agenda, so we can work through whatever
16:05:44 <lbragstad> or we can adjourn early and go back to reviews :)
16:05:59 <cmurphy> are there policy-specific things we want to accomplish at the PTG that we should start agendaing?
16:06:15 <lbragstad> good question
16:06:31 <lbragstad> i thought the cross-project sessions in denver we super productive
16:06:42 <lbragstad> same with the policy goal sessions
16:07:01 <lbragstad> i was thinking it would be nice to facilitate the same environment so that we can work through the system-scope stuff with people
16:07:08 <gagehugo> yeah, the denver meetings were very helpful
16:07:29 * lbragstad still feels bad about draining everyone on policy for two days :)
16:07:46 <edmondsw> it's looking like I probably won't be able to make the PTG in Dublin :(
16:07:54 <cmurphy> :(
16:07:56 <gagehugo> :(
16:08:04 <lbragstad> really?
16:08:18 <lbragstad> is there anything you'd like us to proxy?
16:08:28 <lbragstad> policy-wise?
16:08:43 <edmondsw> not at the moment... just keep on
16:08:53 <lbragstad> keep on keeping on?
16:09:00 <edmondsw> yep :)
16:09:06 <lbragstad> fair enough
16:10:08 <lbragstad> that's as far as i've got with the policy sessions cmurphy
16:10:46 <cmurphy> do we want a cross-project room to talk about default roles? or does that not need that much discussion
16:11:11 <lbragstad> i think so
16:11:26 <lbragstad> i think the system-scope work would be another topic for a cross-project room
16:11:33 <lbragstad> but - yeah...
16:11:47 <lbragstad> we talked about default roles a little in denver, and some in sydney
16:12:06 <lbragstad> now that we're further down that road, i think a more serious discussion is probably appropriate
16:12:48 <lbragstad> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523973/
16:14:48 <gagehugo> reader is one that I hear about a lot
16:14:49 <lbragstad> adding some of what we're talking about to the PTG etherpad
16:14:51 <lbragstad> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-rocky-ptg
16:14:54 <lbragstad> gagehugo: ++
16:15:01 <gagehugo> a lot of people ask for that
16:15:24 <edmondsw> can't have reader until we fix the way member is implemented
16:15:44 <edmondsw> as explained in the talk lbragstad and I gave in Sydney
16:15:51 <gagehugo> yeah
16:16:43 <edmondsw> I would argue that fixing member is a prereq for any significant default roles discussion
16:17:30 <edmondsw> largely because reader is the #1 default role request and not possible until member is fixed, but there are other impacts as well
16:20:46 <lbragstad> what else do people have in mind for the ptg?
16:22:12 <cmurphy> guinness
16:22:23 <lbragstad> :)
16:22:31 <lbragstad> i wasn't going to be the one to say it, but +2
16:23:00 <cmurphy> :)
16:25:04 <lbragstad> if there isn't anything else, looks like we can be done early
16:26:12 <lbragstad> thanks for taking the time
16:26:15 <lbragstad> #endmeeting