15:11:42 #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 15:11:43 Meeting started Tue Jan 28 15:11:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:11:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:11:47 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 15:11:57 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 15:12:06 I haven't put an agenda there yet, I'll fill it in when I get a chance 15:12:30 hi 15:13:41 #topic actions 15:13:51 most of my actions related to the London meetup 15:13:54 so they're complete or moot 15:14:36 We also had an action to narrow down the date range for the SK meetup. let's get to that later 15:14:40 ok back 15:14:42 any other actions to report? 15:14:42 o/ 15:14:45 o/ 15:14:53 ping emccormick 15:15:21 doubt there are any other actions to be reported right now 15:15:26 #topic london review 15:15:42 Oops thanks for ping 15:16:15 No new actions from me 15:16:16 #link here's the event as it happened https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LON-2020-OPS-AGENDA 15:16:37 #link and here's the feedback https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LON-2020-OPS-FEEDBACK 15:16:45 so I'd say the event went very well 15:16:49 perhaps the best for a while? 15:16:58 I may be appearing immodest 15:17:42 what made it better than NYC? I don't have more to compare it against 15:19:04 I feel like almost none of the sessions got slow/draggy 15:19:10 nyc was good too 15:19:21 thoughts erik 15:19:23 ? 15:19:47 We started slow but after that first session folks were pretty chatty 15:20:00 there was considerably more ceph discussion in London than NYC, which wasn't a bad thing. I don't remember skipping session in NYC to continue previous session. 15:20:05 Felt like NYC took longer to ramp up 15:20:19 But generally both were good 15:20:52 We were a little more rigid in NY 15:21:13 London we tried to go with the flow a bit more 15:21:29 martin : nyc wasn't at all bad, but a few meetups ago we did kinda struggle in Tokyo, for example 15:21:57 Moved on when things got slow, extended or revisited things that were hot topics. 15:22:03 I liked that 15:22:35 In board meeting I jsut found out, ping if needed here 15:23:06 yeah, learned that trick from PTG which apparently has a nice system for just starting a topic, doing it for a while, then moving on, that is integrated with slack 15:23:44 feedback about ceph specifically was mostly positive, but someone did say that was about the most we should jam into an openstack ops meetup 15:24:01 I haven't been back to remind myself on the feedback for the idea of splitting a ceph meetup off from the openstack stream 15:24:05 I'll do that, though 15:24:20 #action mihalis68_ review feedback on ceph content in ops meetup, splitting ceph content out etc 15:24:33 how did you think it went martin? 15:25:17 one thing not quite so good in London is getting in and out of the building. That building is ... quite something 15:26:05 we could consider adopting ptgbot or whatever that thing is called? 15:26:29 ping smcginnis 15:26:41 he might have insight on whether that's feasible 15:26:44 haven't heard from him for a while 15:26:57 correction: integrated with IRC, not slack 15:27:37 alright, guess nobody has any more to say on that 15:27:41 #topic vancouver 15:28:36 the foundation has announced an event in Vancouver https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ 15:28:51 June 8 - 11, 2020 15:28:51 Vancouver Convention Centre 15:28:51 Vancouver, British Columbia 15:29:27 https://www.eventbrite.com/e/opendev-ptg-vancouver-2020-tickets-88923270897 15:29:40 the total event is "opendev+ptg" I believe 15:29:55 Hey folks - sorry - I have to drop 15:30:05 will catch up on remaining discussion later 15:30:46 no worries 15:30:47 so no summit type session this time 15:30:58 it's opendev in the mornings, ptg in the afternoons 15:31:28 I think the main thing that is absent is the marketplace 15:31:39 not sure how opendev works but seems no forum? 15:31:51 honestly I can't say I fully comprehend the scope yet 15:32:18 it's in the east building, so not the one we've been in mostly in previous trips to vancouver 15:32:33 erik have you drilled into what this event looks like for operators by any chance? 15:32:37 interesting 15:32:44 what does opendev mean? 15:32:57 this makes me less concerned I can't make it 15:33:24 the openstack foundation has started to host other top level projects besides openstack 15:33:35 so the openstack summit becomes the opendev summit 15:33:43 further, the big showy event is now once per year 15:33:52 in 2020 that one is the second event which may be in germany 15:34:09 good to know 15:34:12 so the one in vancouver is more dev and operator focused and less vendor focused 15:34:19 someone correct me if I'm not explaining it well 15:34:51 the foundation hosts openstack, zuul, airship, kata containers and starlingx 15:35:06 I expect to go to vancouver 15:35:17 (haven't actually asked yet, mind you :P 15:35:27 can't find any operator specific sessions in the event discription 15:36:36 It seems to be more like design summit to me 15:37:02 It does explicitly mention Operators in the description 15:37:36 It is a weird thing. Half Opendev Day like they've done in the past with presentation in the morning 15:37:47 half working sessions like PTG in the afternoon 15:37:48 honestly, there is some confusion shown even in the foundation website 15:37:54 afternoon is actually the PTG this cycle 15:38:33 it says that " If you’re brand new to OSF projects, you might want to attend the Open Infrastructure Summit event instead, which features presentations, forum sessions (designed to get wider community feedback) and on-boarding sessions." but if you click the link you go to a page that includes this event 15:39:06 I understand how this happened. this event is on the page that previously only listed Summits 15:39:10 yeah it's really confusing jamesmcarthur :D 15:39:15 since PTG was a distinct event 15:39:21 now opendev+ptg replaces summit 1 15:39:48 mihalis68_ correct 15:39:50 2020 has opendev+ptg and then openinfra summit 15:40:13 and working on moving the OpenDev+PTG page out of the /summit destination into something like /events 15:40:18 should be up in the next day or two 15:40:20 What exactly are the morning sessions like? Straight up presentations? 15:40:25 totally understandable 15:40:26 or more Forumy? 15:40:43 More fishbowly / collaborative sessions 15:40:47 the web site structure reflects a set of assumptions upended by reimagining these vents 15:40:49 events 15:41:03 indeed 15:41:04 I don't see "Forum" 15:41:29 There won't be a proper Forum in Vancouver. However, there will be designated spaces where gropus can get together outside of the PTG 15:41:33 I think this new structure is probably easier to follow than some of the other reorgs 15:41:39 Like "free range" space kind of deal 15:41:50 We try to keep everyone on their toes ;) 15:42:03 hah 15:42:04 Seriously though, expect a more clear explanation in the coming days/weeks 15:42:05 Summit+PTG+ops meetup denver 2018 was hard to grasp 15:42:22 jamesmcarthur I think I like i better already 15:42:34 good to hear! :) 15:42:44 I'm just trying to get a grip on what sort of sessions to propose for where 15:42:54 although I'll miss the keynotes and hoopla 15:43:38 let's all just take an action to understand vancouver and then work out what operator content (if any) this team can facilitate 15:43:39 yes? 15:43:49 +1 15:43:52 +1 15:44:09 great 15:44:16 #topic south korea 15:44:23 +1 :) 15:44:24 erik where did that discussion setle? 15:44:39 no response from Jaesuk yet 15:44:42 Never heard back from Jaesuk 15:44:45 *nod* 15:44:51 worrying 15:44:58 Everyone seems in agreement on September 15:45:06 I will ping him again 15:45:09 is he part of the hosting org? 15:45:29 I think preference is overall either right at the beginning (before Labor Day) or way at the end (after Labor Day week) 15:45:31 if not maybe we need a direct line to a person from SKTelecom? 15:45:46 He is from SK 15:45:52 erik you did some important research on flights, hotels and adjoining conferences 15:46:02 are both of those slots good from those angles? 15:46:19 Yes. that 3 week September stretch is clear the whole time 15:46:31 No big events conflicting, hotels cheap as chips, flights reasonable 15:46:36 I'm a bit concerned that they might be getting cold feet if he's stopped responding 15:46:57 I mean, Grand Hyatt for $139? Nom nom 15:47:12 I recall that happened when $MEGACHIPVENDOR abandoned their offer to host (twice in fact) 15:47:34 Don't panic! 15:47:35 alright who can get a straight story from him? If it's still offered, we should bring those two slots to the community 15:48:03 I have every right to panic. Who do you think will be organising meetup #2 if SK falls through? :) 15:48:09 *nudge* shintaro ? 15:48:11 and hosting too.... 15:48:16 I will ping him again. I got response from him on last month that he will join this month 15:48:18 :( 15:49:00 Also tell him that if we can settle on the dates, he is welcome to delegate for the planning 15:49:12 I will 15:49:24 He's a busy dude. We can respect and work with that 15:49:26 great, thanks 15:49:56 #action shintaro to follow up urgently with Jaesuk regarding the SKTelecom offer to host in September 15:50:01 I heard he just launched their broadcasting cloud or something 15:50:20 yeah yeah, we just launched prod cloud on rocky in three datacenters 15:50:33 everyone is busy 15:50:35 erik has two jobs 15:51:05 srsly 15:51:34 alright. Anything else re: meetup #2? I am thinking I'm NOT going to run that one 15:51:36 :P 15:51:39 Speaking of which, they are both pinging me relentlessly. Anything else we need to hit? 15:51:47 #topic any other business 15:51:50 we may be done for today 15:51:55 more next week I would hope 15:52:11 martin shall we ping you for future meetings? :) 15:52:33 the eternal question is does this meeting cadence and time slot still work? 15:52:42 I would be ok with moving it now TBH 15:53:09 last call 15:53:21 thanks to everyone who attended, even if briefly 15:53:24 same time next week for now then 15:53:34 thank you 15:53:37 Thanks everybody! TTYL 15:53:39 #endmeeting