14:05:27 <smcginnis> #startmeeting ops-meetup-team
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14:05:42 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team Meeting notes
14:06:56 <shintaro> I don't have numbers but the etherpad for NYC OpsMeetup is #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP
14:07:26 <shintaro> I see about 25 names listed
14:07:28 <smcginnis> One of the actions from last week was a request to send photos of the NY event to the superuser folks.
14:07:36 <smcginnis> Anyone know if anything was sent?
14:08:15 <smcginnis> Looks like the article was published at least:
14:08:17 <smcginnis> #link https://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-ops-meetup-features-ceph-openstack-architectures-and-operator-pain-points/
14:08:21 <spotz> I thouht I saw a tweet for an article
14:08:47 <smcginnis> So looks like just that cover photo from med.
14:08:58 <smcginnis> Looks like a good group. Wish I could have made it.
14:09:11 <shintaro> the article looks great
14:10:17 <VW_> indeed
14:10:27 <smcginnis> Did anyone else have any actions for the 2020 meetups? Or was that all on Chris?
14:10:59 <VW_> I missed last week, so I'm behind on all that - sorry
14:11:06 <smcginnis> Would be great to help him. He and Bloomberg have been doing a lot of work for this. Though since it's all Bloomberg, not sure if it's easy to inject ourselves into any of that process.
14:11:34 <smcginnis> #topic Shanghai
14:11:36 <shintaro> agree
14:12:10 <smcginnis> Maybe Shanghai is a little easier. I know several folks were going to make it there.
14:12:16 <smcginnis> emccormick: You around?
14:12:50 <smcginnis> Anyone have any details of the plans there?
14:12:55 <shintaro> I will be there too.
14:13:23 <smcginnis> I've been distracted. Do you remember what the plan is shintaro? As far as what dates or locations?
14:13:31 <shintaro> I think we have Forum session for arch show and tell/war stories. and Thursday OpsMeetups sessions
14:13:52 <emccormick> Hi am here now
14:14:00 <emccormick> Meeting hell
14:14:18 <shintaro> I forgot the date for the Forum sesison, but I think it was on Monday after Keynote
14:14:33 <smcginnis> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/summit-schedule/events/24415/ops-war-stories Forum Session
14:14:41 <smcginnis> Please add it to your schedule if you will be there.
14:14:57 <smcginnis> Monday mid-day.
14:15:11 <smcginnis> That reminds me, I should probably try to build out my schedule.
14:15:31 <shintaro> We were asking Horace to call for attendees in the Chinese user groups, but we haven't got any response yet.
14:15:49 <emccormick> Our Thursday session is after lunch
14:15:51 <smcginnis> That would be great if we could get a good turn out from local operators.
14:16:14 <smcginnis> Oh, in case you missed it, some tips were posted by the Foundation.
14:16:16 <emccormick> only 3 things beyond the War Stories on the etherpad so far. Need to ping again to see if anyone else wants to pitch in
14:16:24 <smcginnis> Probably an easier link, but this is what I have - https://object-storage-ca-ymq-1.vexxhost.net/swift/v1/6e4619c416ff4bd19e1c087f27a43eea/www-assets-prod/summits/shanghai/Shanghai-Travel-Tips.pdf
14:16:36 <smcginnis> emccormick: Do you have that etherpad link handy?
14:16:44 <emccormick> Yeah I saw in email. It was super awesome
14:17:01 <emccormick> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-OPS-Forum-Brainstorming
14:17:29 <emccormick> I'm going to attempt to take Maglev -> Metro -> hotel. Pray for me :D
14:17:56 <shintaro> we probably need to put up an etherpad link some where on the schedule or Forum Wiki
14:17:57 <smcginnis> emccormick: Hah
14:18:06 <smcginnis> shintaro: Good idea.
14:18:37 <smcginnis> Looks like one is listed here - http://ptg.openstack.org/etherpads.html
14:18:58 <smcginnis> Those are autogenerated links that can be updated by using the PTGBot in the #openstack-ptg channel.
14:19:24 <smcginnis> Instructions here - https://opendev.org/openstack/ptgbot/src/branch/master/README.rst#etherpad
14:19:24 <emccormick> I can just copy over the topics suggested already and post that out to the ML and Twitter
14:19:37 <emccormick> does anyone know if there's an Openstack WeChat group of some sort?
14:19:43 <emccormick> I have WeChat now
14:19:49 <smcginnis> That's probably easiest. So we can keep the brainstorming one separate from the one we actually use for taking notes at the event.
14:20:09 <smcginnis> There is, but it's huge and mostly (99.999999%) in Mandarin.
14:20:15 <smcginnis> As far as a general one.
14:20:16 <emccormick> heh
14:20:25 <smcginnis> If anyone else has WeChat, I'm on there as sean_mcginnis.
14:20:36 <emccormick> Well if I spam it with English it should raise attention then ;)
14:20:41 <smcginnis> ;)
14:20:49 <emccormick> smcginnis I added you last night actually
14:21:01 <smcginnis> Oh, I should check. I don't always get notices.
14:21:07 <smcginnis> Anyone else that's there, please add me.
14:21:18 <smcginnis> We can be lost together. :D
14:21:28 <emccormick> Brilliant!
14:21:51 <emccormick> I got a Fi phone which has built in VPN. Plus another standalone VPN. Something's gotta work
14:21:58 <smcginnis> emccormick: It tells me you are a suspicious user. :)
14:22:11 <emccormick> I have heard the Fi one works well there
14:22:28 <emccormick> haha
14:22:32 <shintaro> I'm installing it now. yeah it's a huge app :)
14:22:32 <emccormick> Definitely I am suspicious
14:22:46 <emccormick> Also I got Didi
14:23:01 <emccormick> And managed to get a US credit card registered with it.
14:23:16 <smcginnis> emccormick: Were you able to set that up? I've heard conflicting stories that you need a Chinese bank account or a Chinese phone number.
14:23:24 <emccormick> so I may have no idea where to go, but I can take a car there at least
14:23:33 <emccormick> yes it works
14:23:42 <smcginnis> I started to install it, but it wanted so many permissions on my phone that I uninstalled it.
14:23:43 <emccormick> Not all cards, but most visa / MC
14:23:51 <emccormick> some said they got an Amex to work, but not mine
14:23:53 <smcginnis> Good to know.
14:23:55 <mihalis68_> hey guys, sorry, had a clash
14:24:04 <emccormick> I got a Citi Mastercard in it
14:24:08 <smcginnis> Welcome back mihalis68_
14:24:09 <emccormick> o/
14:24:27 <mihalis68_> I don't have my devices sorted at all
14:24:29 <VW_> hey mihalis68_
14:24:34 <emccormick> just make sure you get the right Didi app. Not the "Global" one
14:24:37 <mihalis68_> you guys aren't taking your personal cellphone?
14:24:41 <smcginnis> mihalis68_: Just on the Shanghai topic. I think we're done though.
14:24:42 <smcginnis> I am.
14:24:59 <emccormick> it's the specifically mainland china one. Hardest part is getting it to stay in English ;)
14:24:59 <smcginnis> T-Mobile global roaming is great there. You can actually get to Google services with a US sim card.
14:25:13 <mihalis68_> I have AT&T roaming
14:25:15 <emccormick> I got a Google Fi phone which I will wipe when I get home
14:25:30 <emccormick> which uses T-Mobile roaming ;)
14:25:31 <mihalis68_> I think I have to take my iphone, i'm just too close to leaving to not have that
14:25:45 <mihalis68_> I will ask for a loaner laptop however
14:26:38 <emccormick> #action emccormick to populate the Shanghai meetup etherpad and tweet / mail it
14:27:09 <smcginnis> Anything else on Shanghai before we move along?
14:27:24 <smcginnis> #chair mihalis68_ emccormick shintaro
14:27:25 <openstack> Current chairs: emccormick mihalis68_ shintaro smcginnis
14:27:30 <emccormick> I think that's it. I land Sunday at 4pm if anyone comes in around then
14:27:42 <smcginnis> I land Saturday at 6:30pm.
14:28:00 <mihalis68_> something like that for me too. sorry I'm not even logged in. Constant emergency production related meetings
14:28:02 <shintaro> I'm arriving 21:30 Sunday
14:28:19 <emccormick> Birthday on Friday and I'm spending it with my babies, so late arrival it is
14:28:28 <smcginnis> emccormick: Happy birthday!
14:28:43 <emccormick> gracias! At least I'm not on an airplane like I seem to be most years hehe
14:28:52 <mihalis68_> HB EM!
14:29:11 <smcginnis> #topic Vancouver
14:29:24 <smcginnis> I wanted to bring this up early.
14:29:30 <emccormick> 谢谢
14:29:43 <smcginnis> I think I've shared that the plan is to make the first event in 2020 "collaboration focused".
14:29:55 <smcginnis> So I think Vancouver is going to be more Forum/PTG like and less Summit.
14:29:57 <emccormick> indeed
14:30:18 <emccormick> I like the sound of it
14:30:28 <emccormick> hopefully we can take over a room.
14:30:33 <smcginnis> Which means, it might be good to start talking now about what kind of Ops presence we would like to have there and make sure we're not stuck in a far corner on an odd day.
14:30:38 <emccormick> is it going to be fluid like a PTG or scheduled like a forum?
14:30:40 <emccormick> or a mix?
14:30:59 <smcginnis> I haven't heard any details. I think that's still being discussed.
14:31:14 <smcginnis> I would guess it's going to be more PTG-like.
14:31:47 <emccormick> better for Ops Meetups type things anyway
14:32:00 <emccormick> I would love it to be a nice bigass meetup type thing with lots of Ops
14:32:07 <smcginnis> Yeah, I think it can work well.
14:32:15 <emccormick> will make up for us doing UK and SK
14:32:43 <smcginnis> Maybe some semi-scheduled times that some of the project teams can get feedback from ops, then more fluid times for ops to go through different topics?
14:33:15 <emccormick> sure. The feedback forum sessions seem to draw fairly well
14:33:24 <smcginnis> Anyway, it's early enough that we can start asking for what we would like there while the whole thing is still being figured out.
14:33:40 <VW_> exactly - maybe even space each day
14:33:48 <VW_> we'd just need solid topics lined up to justify
14:34:22 <VW_> but we could have some Ops stuff going the whole time
14:34:23 <smcginnis> Yeah, good point. Maybe not necessarily a concrete schedule of topics, but at least have something to justify wanting a room.
14:34:59 <smcginnis> I'll try to share any more details I hear on Vancouver if/when I hear them.
14:35:09 <emccormick> I put it on the Shanghai etherpad
14:35:14 <smcginnis> ++
14:35:15 <emccormick> we can chat about it there
14:35:24 <emccormick> and carry on here after
14:35:36 <smcginnis> THat's a good plan. Let's strategize there, then we can follow up with the Foundation after Shanghai with a list of our demands. ;)
14:35:47 <emccormick> haha
14:36:00 <shintaro> +1
14:36:01 <emccormick> Get the Kendalls drunk and make them promise us whatever we want
14:36:08 <smcginnis> Hah!
14:36:17 <smcginnis> Anything else on Vancouver for now?
14:36:45 <VW_> no - but I endorse emccormick's plan
14:36:46 <smcginnis> #topic All other business
14:36:51 <smcginnis> :)
14:37:04 <smcginnis> mihalis68_: We kind of skipped over the 2020 events.
14:37:11 <smcginnis> Any updates on 2020 #1?
14:37:58 <emccormick> That reminds me I need to go dig up the template and get it up for both
14:38:38 <emccormick> Hopefully we can get the SK one on the books as well, though it would be nice to have an idea of scheduling for the  big fall event before we set dates
14:38:50 <mihalis68_> sorry, distracted again. I hope to get the formal offer posted using the normal boilerplate etherpad text as a template before I leave for china
14:38:55 <emccormick> this spring one is very late by summit standards
14:39:22 <emccormick> o/ Yo jamesmcarthur
14:39:32 <mihalis68_> nothing has changed, it will be the dates mentioned, one large high-spec room with all the trimmings, and we'll provide breakfast and lunch
14:40:09 <emccormick> spiffy
14:40:25 <mihalis68_> I agree with trying to form a plan for vancouver when in china, I'll be there
14:40:30 <emccormick> put it out and tweet it.
14:40:39 <mihalis68_> just seeing if my employer can provide loaner laptop and phone
14:40:44 <mihalis68_> may as well swing for the fences
14:40:48 <emccormick> Maybe we can get Mark / JB to mention it on Monday morning
14:40:56 <mihalis68_> once it's posted I will tweet it on the notification account
14:41:39 <mihalis68_> I consider it important that this be done this week
14:41:44 <emccormick> I'd be surprised if they couldn't give you one
14:41:49 <smcginnis> That would be great.
14:41:56 <emccormick> I doubt they want you walking about with your own ;)
14:41:59 <mihalis68_> but of course I have to then let the community respond to it
14:42:20 <mihalis68_> I'll need you guys to make sure we're sufficiently respecting the process
14:42:35 <jamesmcarthur> emccormick: you rang?
14:42:44 <emccormick> Just sayin' hi :)
14:42:44 <mihalis68_> (it would be easy to make the mistake of making the proposal and then give the impression I self-approve - not a good look)
14:43:08 <emccormick> well, I approve so what else do we need :D
14:43:14 <smcginnis> jamesmcarthur: Do you happen to know yet if Vancouver will be more like a PTG? Or Forum? Or structured completely different?
14:43:35 <smcginnis> mihalis68_, emccormick: Yeah, I think we've been sharing that it was the plan for awhile now, so I think we're good to proceed.
14:43:39 <mihalis68_> yeah, from my laptop I can ssh into interesting places. I am not enough of a security professional to fully understand what might happen if it were stolen, let's say. I think it really shouldn't travel
14:44:08 <jamesmcarthur> The latest I've heard is somethign closer to opendev + a ptg/forum.  So a smaller conference footprint, with a heavy focus on devs and operators
14:44:31 <smcginnis> jamesmcarthur: Oh great! So there will still be some formal presentations?
14:44:42 <jamesmcarthur> smcginnis: that's my understanding, yes
14:44:46 <mihalis68_> sounds good to me too!
14:44:56 <smcginnis> Cool, thanks Jimmy.
14:45:08 <jamesmcarthur> Please don't take my word as the end all be all though :) I think the situation is still fluid.
14:45:13 <smcginnis> ++
14:45:24 <emccormick> jamesmcarthur Have you found us a pool hall yet?
14:45:46 <jamesmcarthur> ha! i think there is one near the convention center
14:45:51 <mihalis68_> heh, no way I'd play either of you again
14:45:58 <mihalis68_> or at least, not with any expectation of winning
14:46:11 <emccormick> Please, you were kicking ass in Tokyo
14:46:19 <jamesmcarthur> I think we could all use a rematch.
14:47:05 <emccormick> OK, anything else?
14:47:07 <mihalis68_> emc I get 5 minutes of proficiency per year. I've already had 2019s
14:47:17 <emccormick> haha
14:47:24 <emccormick> I hear a strong ale helps
14:47:27 <smcginnis> I need to get going. Anything else for the meeting? Or I've made a few others chair, so I can just drop off and let you all continue?
14:47:43 <emccormick> I'm all done and loaded with tasks
14:48:12 <mihalis68_> I have my tasks - propose london, get devices for travel
14:48:15 <mihalis68_> so I'm good
14:48:45 <shintaro> nothing from me
14:49:22 <smcginnis> OK, thanks everyone. I'll wrap it up then.
14:49:25 <smcginnis> #endmeeting