14:04:31 #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 14:04:32 Meeting started Tue Jun 18 14:04:31 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:04:35 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 14:04:37 o/ 14:04:38 I haven't put together the agenda for today 14:04:47 I just wanted to wake this up and work out next steps 14:04:59 hi smcginnis and congratulations on teh new role! 14:05:38 time is moving on rapidly, i think we really need the eventbrite ticket to be issued. 14:05:47 I'm going to try and get that done 14:06:04 #action mihalis68_ get the eventbrite issued for the NYC meetup in september 14:06:58 agreed 14:07:06 no cover charge this time, right? 14:07:52 that was what I was told when we made the firm offer. I need to reverify with my open source supremo within bloomberg 14:08:06 but no charge and lunch included is the plan! :) 14:08:09 Ah, that was a Bloomberg thing? 14:08:13 yes 14:08:21 Cool. Thanks Bloomberg! 14:08:29 we instituted the charge to deter the casual moocher 14:08:43 but I think the government issued ID requirement might scare such people off (just a guess) 14:08:52 will you be able to come still, given your new job? 14:09:18 Not sure yet. 14:09:37 I plan on discussing events and travel later this week, so hopefully I will know soon. 14:09:43 You're supposed to get these things put in your employment contract :D 14:09:48 ;) 14:10:00 Sure I'll come work for you, but I must be funded to attend all Ops Meetups and Summits 14:10:03 heh no job heckling here plz 14:10:22 *taunts you most egregiously* 14:10:50 What's your impression of the crowdedness at the ping pong place? 14:10:53 ok, skeletal agenda now up 14:10:55 #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 14:10:56 are we going to need a reservation? 14:11:21 I mentioned the idea to boss^2 and he was tentatively in favor 14:11:42 depends on attendance to some extent I suppose 14:11:45 it might be that we get the booking and some other attending organisation gets some money in for snacks and drinks 14:11:48 can't promise that 14:12:10 #action mihalis68_ to check if we can also do wearespin booking for ops meetup in NYC, September 14:12:34 What's required for a booking? 14:12:39 emccormick knows about this because I shared photos of a recent bloomberg leadership event there 14:12:43 I'll find out 14:13:06 I think a few tables is cheap, but we had a table+food+drink for 2 hour deal 14:13:38 I can still hit a pingpong ball ok in good light, but two steps further back from the table I'm hopeless #damnyouaging 14:13:55 Even if we had to do something like reserved tables, but food and drink is on your own or up to another company to cover, I thin kthat would be fine. 14:14:15 yeah, I'll err on the side of getting something done, instead of holding out for something more lavish 14:14:18 we don't need lavish 14:14:52 in case anyone isn't familiar, it's basically a pingpong hall with attached bar/grill on the side. I love it 14:15:16 other than that, I would like to repeat the encouragemnet to get topics up, and +1 existing ones 14:15:42 I put a couple things before but haven't looked in a couple weeks. Need to follow up on that 14:15:48 maybe another twitter ping is in order 14:16:24 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP 14:16:29 we have about 13 topic proposals 14:17:14 ok. I'll retweet the link 14:17:37 I'd like the ops team to make the decision on moving topics from proposed to accepted 14:17:42 should we start that next week? 14:17:50 +1 14:17:51 +1 14:17:54 the bit that's missing right now is agreed or at least penciled in moderators 14:18:10 I imagine this here meeting will provide moderators for a few 14:18:10 +1 14:18:23 * med_ could likely moderate stuff but won't have a lot to contribute other than refereeing 14:18:29 and for example the redhat proposed octavia one proposes the moderator at the same time 14:18:41 med_ that's all the moderator really has to do 14:18:46 yep 14:18:53 some moderators do lead technically, but not required 14:19:04 I've moderated a ceph session or two in front of Sage Weill :) 14:19:07 been there, done that. warm body with black and white livery to ref. 14:19:09 and shout "wake the @#$% up!" periodically 14:19:11 ha ha 14:19:27 also med_ throws more swag than the next nearest 10 moderators - this counts for a lot 14:19:57 stay awake or be hit in the face with a fedora-wearing duck 14:19:57 (but also not required! :) 14:20:04 you got that right. 14:20:18 I always wanted a James Gosling t-shirt gun 14:20:19 * med_ is sitting in front of leftover swag from Vancouver summit 14:20:24 all flingable 14:20:29 excellent 14:21:22 where I can see a popular topic with moderator I will start an etherpad, and then we will agree that those topics are officially on the agenda starting next week 14:21:23 yes? 14:22:02 sounds good 14:22:15 cool 14:22:20 sounds reasonable 14:22:23 that's it for now for NYC (and that's a lot!) 14:22:30 thanks for the feedback 14:22:44 I feel like mentioning shanghai deadlines are coming up now 14:22:49 * smcginnis notices mihalis68_ gets all the #actions 14:22:54 #topic next openstack summit 14:23:10 CFP ends soon, so if anyone has a good talk idea, please get that in. 14:23:14 smcginnis it's ok for NYC, it's literally part of my job 14:23:15 do we have OpsMeetup room in Shanghai? 14:23:16 ashleigh ferguson (or ashlee I forget) is definitely looking for submissions 14:23:29 spotz and I were here last week 14:23:59 ops meetup in shanghai seems dicey now based on the PTG structure 14:24:01 she says Erin asked how many people an ops meetup at the summit would be and she replied 15-20 14:24:10 I kinda thought it was no problem but now I don't know 14:24:22 I saw the PTG email but ... tl;dr 14:24:27 15-20?? seems kinda light 14:24:28 can summarize plz? 14:24:33 but who knows 14:24:58 summary: large teams will have a dedicated room but most teams will be in a large shared space 14:25:04 ie. It didn't sound like a lot of room 14:25:16 well, china is pretty small after all 14:25:16 also PTG starts on Wednesday (Summit day 3) 14:25:30 ^ joke-type humor-thing, hopefully obvious 14:25:39 so Forum is only 2 days. They neglect to mention that it's really 1.5 days because keynotes blow up monday morning 14:26:07 So OpsMeetup will be one of the PTG sessions in open space? 14:26:16 maybe we can divide and conquer a bit? Erik and Sean maybe you can have a look at what's possible for shanghai for ops? 14:26:33 Honestly I dunno. It would seem it would need to be given that's the only other part of the event happening those days 14:27:03 I guess an email to Erin and Kendall is in order? 14:27:13 I am hesitant to officially be part of PTG for ops 14:27:22 there's a sort of impedance mismatch 14:27:30 I don't think it's meant to be part of PTG at all 14:27:45 but that space is what's available unless we go somewhere on our own 14:27:51 and that complicates things quite a bit 14:28:01 can I action you to survey latest facts and email the people who might be able help clarify? 14:28:18 Yes I will be the spammer 14:28:38 #action emccormick to sp... email people to work out what we may be able to do for ops meetup in shanghai 14:28:53 anything else about shanghai for today? 14:29:16 nyet 14:29:28 #topic ops meetups 2020 14:29:44 I've contacted Jay from Korea and confirmed that he is okay to move to 2nd 2020 for Korea 14:29:44 I had an action to look at how the regional rotation might work for future meetups 14:29:48 have not had a chance 14:29:52 action continues 14:30:01 aha, that's great, thanks Shintaro! 14:30:12 does this mean meetup #1 would be in the USA? 14:30:15 I forget 14:30:26 I think erik like USA, other, USA, other2 14:30:30 EU if I remember correct 14:30:31 We talked about doing EU and skipping a USA 14:30:31 or at least NA 14:30:34 ah ok 14:30:41 just this once to reset the rotation 14:30:46 is there an idea for an EU ops meetup in 2020? 14:30:54 sorry, didn't prepare for today, lots going on here 14:31:07 so NYC->EU->APAC->US 14:31:22 we can try 14:31:27 then resume the every other North America one 14:31:47 works for me, but may be self-serving 14:31:49 if it doesn't work, so be it, but it would get us in better opposition to Summit locaitons 14:31:53 ok 14:32:04 seems like an agreed rough working goal 14:32:17 we could tweet this out too 14:32:25 so then for 2020 Part One we would look for an EU host 14:32:34 see if there are EU hosts thinking about it 14:32:35 snap! 14:32:41 I'll tweet it 14:32:45 from our shared twitter 14:32:51 and I think Simon or somebody had a volunteer? 14:33:02 seems familiar 14:33:02 Let's invade CERN again. :) 14:33:06 hopefully the tweet will wake them 14:33:10 again? I've never been! 14:33:12 so jealous 14:33:21 Me neither, that's why I want a do-over. 14:33:24 Yeah that'd be super 14:33:42 absolutely 14:34:03 All Neutron-related sessions to be held in the LHC 14:34:16 Somewhere Nordic would be nice, too 14:34:25 *nod* 14:34:51 a friend of mine keeps going arctic circle porsche ice driving and tells me I must try it 14:35:03 * smcginnis really likes Copenhagen 14:35:12 mihalis68_: Get studded tires on the Porsche? :D 14:35:20 so it needs to be here: https://experience.porsche.com/en/ice 14:35:21 Sorry I'm late 14:35:29 welcome spotz 14:35:36 o/ 14:35:47 erik is actioned to email people and try to work out if an ops meetup in shanghai is still doable 14:36:07 I liked Copenhagen a lot and would readily return. 14:36:22 but I'm open to any Nordic or LHC trips. 14:36:22 would rather drive their car on ice 14:36:38 med_ you're a lapsed hard sciencer right? 14:37:00 rocket surgeon or similar? 14:37:12 not really, but was very interested. I was a EE in school. Ah, did some guidance work for the USAF. 14:37:28 aha! 14:37:30 but not bleeding edge. Merely replacing what was done with TTL with a computer. 14:37:47 so I claim (a little bit) that I was a rocket scientist. 14:37:49 you're a rocket scientist like I'm a submariner 14:37:51 :P 14:37:56 probably so. 14:38:09 think we might be near to done 14:38:12 #topic any other business 14:38:18 * med_ has been in a stationery inland submarine but only in a rocket launch tube, not the actual rocket itself. 14:38:21 is there any comment on this meeting cadence, timing etc? 14:38:41 nobody turned up the past two weeks, but That's Ok (tm) 14:38:43 fine with me 14:38:45 nope 14:38:59 ok then, last call for comments, suggestions , gripes 14:39:04 just work hell ruined previous weeks. No time would have worked better 14:39:10 understood 14:39:20 this is why I like being involved with operators in particular 14:39:32 we go and get dirty-handed, so to speak 14:39:43 ok occasionally we get completely blown up, but that's the job 14:40:10 we just found a fantastically awful bug in ubuntu 14:40:24 win? 14:40:28 on certain kernels the "TLB shootdowns" can paralyze an entire hypervisor for many seconds 14:40:40 guests see kernel exceptions, kernel crashes, packet loss, you name it 14:40:40 ick. 14:40:55 anyway, deploying a newer kernel today and so happy 14:41:10 That's icky 14:41:21 basically the background chores can build up and it takes a blocking vacation to go clean up 14:41:29 dirty page handling 14:41:44 not ubuntu _per se_ 14:41:57 I just mean the kernel we happened to be running (ubuntu distro) 14:42:01 just their chosen version 14:42:04 yeah 14:42:26 last weeks fun was IP address renumbering an entire cluster *whilst preserving VMs* 14:42:38 I like my old stale Centos kernels TYVM 14:42:41 hehe 14:42:43 3.10 FTW 14:42:49 ok, my diversionary tactics didn't throw up any more ops meetups team business 14:42:51 last call 14:43:18 good luck to smcginnis on defining his new role! We hope he can continue with us here :) 14:43:32 #endmeeting