15:00:18 #startmeeting ops-meetup-team 15:00:18 Meeting started Tue Jan 15 15:00:18 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:21 The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' 15:00:36 agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team 15:00:41 #topic actions 15:01:25 we notified the community of the date and place, got the etherpad started, sent that link to the UC, and also notified the foundation staff (jimmy) that the PTG verbiage needs updating 15:01:28 those were the main actions 15:01:33 any other actions to report on? 15:01:36 hi 15:01:38 hi 15:01:44 just asking for any updates on actions 15:01:51 Hey shintaro o/ 15:01:57 o/ 15:02:29 Morning all 15:02:36 hey 15:02:37 Howdy spotz 15:02:42 just asking for any updates on past actions 15:02:44 hi spotz 15:02:46 we run on the honor system 15:03:06 If I had any past actions, I've already forgotten them. :) 15:03:17 I contacted the foundation, I’ll be working with a price on the invite. We do need to know the location as she needs the address 15:03:31 spotz i fwded the link to the UC email addresses that I have, because we had previously agreed that UC could help curate the topic list 15:03:44 Yep I saw that 15:03:50 I'll press Frank Kloeker for a decision on which venue 15:03:52 spotz: I believe we did lock down which of the two locations now. 15:03:57 I think we all like the post office 15:04:03 oh did I miss an update? 15:04:39 is it on the planning etherpad? 15:04:45 Oh, maybe I assumed? Based on the last email thread, Frank was asked which of the two he would prefer since they were equally good. He said the one might be better for him so I thought we were going with that one. 15:04:58 I thought we all liked the post office but they needed to confirm 15:05:24 Dernburgstrasse 50 was the one that sounded better for Frank. 15:05:31 Or at least slightly more convenient. 15:06:19 \o 15:06:36 I think I missed the thread but post office sounds interesting. 15:06:58 I just emailed him again asking if they have decided 15:07:05 hi med_ 15:07:08 Yeah he’s currently working out of the post office 15:07:08 still on actions here 15:07:25 nod, I jsut read scrollback 15:07:54 it might help for him to get more feedback. He thought the other location was fancier and more official. They don't seem important criteria for an ops meetup to me 15:08:14 meanwhile a soon-to-be-retired post office is almost (if you squint a bit) a legacy network system 15:08:34 #topic berlin meetup march 2019 15:08:41 seems there was not much else to say on actions 15:09:07 #link planning etherpad for berlin https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-ops-meetup 15:09:14 thanks to smcginnis for starting that 15:09:21 I have fwded the link to the UC as I said 15:09:52 to be blunt, for denver we kind of dropped the ball a little bit. Once we got enough topics, we said "ok fair enough" and distributed them across time slots 15:10:09 which meant 1 or 2 were not actually popular and/or well-formed suggestions 15:10:14 inadequate scrutiny 15:10:22 I am at least as guilty of that as anyone else 15:10:31 the UC wanted to help improve this bit 15:10:45 The more time we give for agenda forming, the better it will be. 15:11:12 agreed. The event is less than two months away now 15:11:21 plenty of time by calendar to do a great job 15:12:23 once we agree topics we need to find moderators 15:12:37 we also need to get the list of things that could be sponsorship opportunities 15:12:49 and finally we traditionally also try to set up a social event 15:13:17 Oh, speaking of sponsorship, Frank had also mentioned there might be a few local folks that may be interested in sponsoring different parts. 15:13:20 I believe this event will be closer to downtown berlin so this bit may be easier (citycube is out in the burbs) 15:13:45 If we can identify different parts that could be sponsored, that might make it easy to spread the load on this and get others involved. 15:13:54 I thought it was kinda near city cube from his description 15:14:10 Yeah, the one was really close to CityCube. 15:14:17 But also close to the train. 15:14:31 ah ok, thanks for the correction 15:14:50 well, at least in my case I now have a better sense of berlin. I'm sure we can do something for the thursday evening 15:15:59 no emccormick today? 15:16:17 I was thinking of asking him to try to own the social 15:16:25 he normally ends up leading that particular charge anyway 15:16:45 unfortunately I don't think we have anyone here on this meeting actually living anywhere near this meetup 15:16:51 maybe we need a membership drive... 15:17:33 Those are always good to do 15:17:38 after the etherpad starts to take shape, we have previously used a google doc for the laying out of topics into time slots 15:17:45 is everyone still good with google docs for that? 15:17:59 it's not actually at all convenient for me, I'm not very familiar with using it and I also cannot get to it from the office 15:18:14 We could just use an etherpad. 15:18:18 Either way works for me though. 15:18:52 ditto 15:18:58 selfishly a plain etherpad is easier for me, however some people have used some of the more advanced features of the sheet to some benefit 15:19:01 If we only have 2-3 sessions, etherpad will be enough 15:19:32 ok let's turn the question around: anyone object to dropping the google doc? 15:19:45 I guess not 15:19:56 I'l update the google doc to point to a new etherpad for the agenda 15:20:02 and I'll start that etherpad too 15:20:19 #mihalis68_ to start the agenda planning doc (just another etherpad this time) 15:20:22 Sounds good 15:20:56 I think I'll email the list asking for people that are interested in the berlin meetup to help us organise it 15:20:59 see who responds 15:21:05 oops 15:21:16 #action mihalis68_ to start the agenda planning doc (just another etherpad this time) 15:21:36 #action mihalis68_ to ask for help from the european operators for this event on the mailing list 15:21:58 Would be great if we can get some European operators involved in forming the agenda. 15:22:04 indeed 15:22:23 in fact I would love it if we could find an organiser for the event from over there 15:22:30 o/ 15:22:36 a benevolent dictator 15:22:41 hello mrhillsman! 15:23:10 we are on the topic of the berlin meetup 15:23:13 hi simon! 15:23:37 to sum up: we are getting the planning docs going for berlin, but need some european assistance 15:23:54 I'd love to see the planning etherpad fill up with topics that the "locals" would like to discuss 15:24:05 (I realise that europe is a big place and berlin is not "local" for many) 15:24:43 Maybe check with Tobias from City Network? 15:25:16 I think he popped up here once, right? 15:25:25 otherwise, though, I don't know Tobias 15:25:29 does anyone here know him? 15:25:44 is there two track plan like tokyo? 15:25:50 I know tobias 15:26:01 tobberydberg 15:26:04 that is not decided yet. I asked Frank if they wish to have a track, but no response so far 15:26:05 how about people from DT? They should be a part of the agenda planning, I guess 15:26:17 Indeed 15:27:15 maybe we should just invent some new procedure here. I could imagine putting "host slots" on the agenda in prime time 15:27:17 I can hit Tobias up if you want 15:27:23 yes please 15:27:38 #action spotz to contact tobias to see if he can help with agenda planning for berlin 15:28:14 for the NYC event I just shoved things we were interested in on the agenda and nobody minded 15:29:02 VW was here earlier but not sure if he's really here 15:29:41 anyway we have spotz and mrhillsman from UC, so I'm sure they have the message that the agenda planning is open and UC is invited to join in 15:29:52 as discussed in denver at that UC meeting 15:30:08 any more for Berlin? 15:30:13 who's going? 15:30:15 o/ 15:30:20 notme 15:30:30 planning 15:30:39 Not likely for me, but still holding out some small hope that I will be able to make it. 15:31:25 #topic NA meetup (#2) 2019 15:31:34 I had a planning meeting for our potential offer 15:31:40 so far it's still a possibility 15:31:59 we wont be able to charge and we'll have to use our own sign-up app on the web 15:32:01 That would be a lot easier for me to get to. And I'd love to get back to NY. 15:32:11 but can't promise it will happen 15:32:25 part of the problem is there's no legal entity that signs contracts to make these things happen 15:32:55 but I think I convinced them 15:33:03 +1 15:33:13 They afraid we'll trash the place or something? :) 15:33:26 I did get a lot of pushback about liability 15:34:00 my colleague Kevin P. Fleming pointed out that we can all invite someone into the office on our own say-so without exchange of contracts 15:34:16 the difference is this one would be at our HQ, not a co-working space 15:34:29 Kevin's our "open source guy" 15:34:37 o/ 15:34:38 * tobberydberg reading up 15:34:41 mihalis68_: There's someone at looking to revive the NYC regular meetups, I suggested they contact you 15:34:44 hi there 15:34:59 Hey just talking about you tobberydberg! 15:35:15 is that someone in NYC Makoto? 15:35:59 tobberydberg we could use some help with the agenda planning for Berlin. We'd like to get the european community involved 15:36:14 mihalis68_: No Brian 15:36:17 the link is posted above, but it's just a skeleton for the most part 15:36:32 mihalis68_: We can take it offline to prevent confusion:) 15:36:39 sure, ok 15:36:44 Ok ... for mid-cycle meetup Berlin if I understood this correctly 15:37:37 yes, the events that used to be called "ops mid-cycle" but are now not technically in the middle of an openstack release cycle 15:38:34 of course we also want to encourage operators in europe to attend in the first place! 15:38:52 and tobberydberg we talk about this most Tuesdays during this hour. you are always welcome. 15:38:56 getting interest helps the agenda, and then getting a good agenda helps generate more interest 15:39:46 Ok, cool! Will try to put a reminder for this slot 15:39:54 :) 15:40:00 excellent 15:40:36 mihalis68_: For the second NA meetup, should we open things up and ask for other hosting offers in case NY falls through? Or is your gut feel that it will work out and we don't need to so that? 15:40:45 the former 15:40:50 I can't promise anything 15:41:01 We do have plenty of time too. 15:41:11 Can bring this to our public cloud wg meeting on thursday and promote it there... 15:41:12 maybe you could ask for that? 15:41:22 tobberydberg: Great idea! 15:42:04 +100 15:42:09 I'm hoping we nail down the venue soon and get the Eventbrite created. Once the Eventbrite exists, with the typical nice graphics that the foundation excels at, it becomes a real event that people want to go to if they can 15:43:27 spotz do you know who we should talk to about that once the venue is locked in? 15:43:29 Allison didn't seem to think it would be hard to get going, and she'll contact me this week with what she needs from us besides the address, dates, etc 15:43:40 ok cool 15:43:42 mihalis68_: Already in the works:) 15:44:30 the next topic on the agenda is ops docs, however I have no progress to report 15:44:39 and then the last one is any other business 15:44:45 so let's just call it open mic 15:44:50 #topic any other business 15:44:57 any more for any more? 15:45:22 more like news: Target reported on a systemic outage that involved K8s and OpenStack. fyi: https://medium.com/@daniel.p.woods/on-infrastructure-at-scale-a-cascading-failure-of-distributed-systems-7cff2a3cd2df 15:45:29 under this topic, I wanted to encourage everyone to vote 15:45:34 I haven't fully absorbed it yet. 15:45:43 I saw that but did not yet read 15:45:46 I Voted TM. 15:46:04 I voted! 15:46:10 if you don't have your choices made for this vote, there are two great candidates within the ops meetups team 15:46:11 I voted too 15:46:16 I voted 15:46:17 med_: Yeah I saw that, kinda scary:( 15:46:21 Target is local here. I should reach out to them. 15:46:37 are you in Minnesotat smcginnis ? 15:46:41 Please vote for whoever you think would be best. There are a lot of good candidates. 15:46:45 when we have outages we send disclosure notices. My users love those 15:46:46 * med_ thought smcg as Texican. 15:47:02 med_: Yep, Minneapolis. I actually used to work for Target back when it was Dayton Hudson Corp. 15:47:08 Oh yes I do agree, vote for who you think best, totally 15:47:09 * med_ did too 15:47:20 just don't overlook certain candidates :) 15:47:24 but just as a stocker. 15:47:34 mihalis68_: ;) 15:47:56 med_: Started off in the telecom department there running their video conference network and as a PBX admin. 15:48:21 somehow the combination of a terrible outage and minnesota has me thinking of a certain wood-chipper scene in a certain cohen brothers movie 15:48:30 Hah! 15:48:34 15:48:48 * med_ bails for his next meeting. 15:48:56 That was up der in Fargo, eh. 15:49:00 ok, yes, think we are done. Last call 15:49:05 kinda funny looking 15:49:19 #endmeeting